A Two-line Commentary on Jesus, the Christ

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In the past ten or twenty years I've seen the quote by Mahatma Gandhi appear here and there, in signature files and Facebook posts, encouraging us to "BE the change we wish to see in the world" ... even as did the aspirant and initiate-Disciple Jesus of Nazareth, with other-than the warmest of reception, history records.

When a man, or even the Supermen, *groups* of people and planets entire decide to take such words of wisdom to heart (as this koan of Gandhiji's invites us to do) THEN we will see precisely the civilization and the resulting Restoration occur *when all of us knows is possible* (sic) ... and for which all Beings, in Heavens `above' as surely as in these worlds, below, expectantly awaits.
 
Not bad, Andrew. Like what SG says (always), I say (when I am in calm mode and not PTSD driven or in scientist mode), and L7 says (minus his politics).
 
Not bad, Andrew. Like what SG says (always), I say (when I am in calm mode and not PTSD driven or in scientist mode), and L7 says (minus his politics).
Rip it out!

"It's not the bible, you are not going to go to hell for this."
"What the hell is going on here."
"This is a battle, a war, and the casualties could be your hearts and souls."
"Armies of academics going forward, measuring poetry. No, we will not have that here."
"In my class you will learn to think for yourselves again."
"No matter what anyone tells you, words and ideas can change the world."

< Dead Poets Society >
 
There is only the One Way to the Father face of the Godhead and Christianity holds the reasons why this is so

Doesn't Islam use this same logic (substitute "Islam" for "Christianity" in your statement)? Following your logic, why choose Christianity and not Islam? (besides the fact that you most likely were born into Christianity, given your strong exclusivity position)
 
L7, did I offend you? (I really cannot tell). "Live the Golden Rule" I like very much, as I like "BE the change we wish to see in the world".

IG, that is the whole problem with exclusivity (IMHO). Once you go there, you open up the door for the other side to go there as well and all dialogue and ecumenicism dies a premature death (usually leading to real deaths).
 
attempts to Easternize Jesus Christ are doomed
[Middle-east is far enough for most people]

East never understood prophets

create a spiritual direction to God

no man-made illusions

brain manipulation techniques

artificially shut down brain's center

illusion of egolessness

the false Eastern philosophy
[Middle-east & Far-east too]

single brain state meditative methods instead of drugs

removing the ego from pain.

No

Christianity Buddhism or any part of the Eastern idea
[Middle-east & Far-east too]

there are NOT many roads to God consciousness.
[Choice?]

There is only the One Way to the Father
[Bastards too?]

Christianity holds the reasons why this is so
[Tell us later?]

which is why Christianity leads in spiritual consciousness and always will.
[New Season begins soon!]

Jesus Christ does not sit among a group of Higher Beings
[Inside scoop? Hot-line to Revelations?]

The Abrahamic religions learned the lesson of too many pathways with the Tower of Babel example
[Oi now that explains it all?]

and this is still unlearned in the Eastern traditions
For a moment I thought that You knew NOTHING about that topic ---did you get your full investment back? Are you still awaiting a cash settlement?

that don't know the Torah or reasons why God made only one entrance, one doorway, into the House of God.
We're getting warmer folks, please tighten your seat belts

Hey Big Daddy! This is Kooky-Talk.

Just wanted you to know I noticed, that's all.

IHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHIHI

IMO, "Kooky-Talk" is defined as:

Self-Initiated Topics that can not (really) be explained by the initiating speaker.

It's like Kim Jong-il, "the supreme leader of North Korea", describing "How Great North Korea is" ---ya see, that's a world class "Kooky-Talking" "Kooky-Talker" doing "Kooky-Talk" par excellence.

IOW, If you know what You are talking about ---you can explain what you're talking about ---or else, It's just a Jumping Jack Flash passing gas.

Gas is a natural resource ---no need to frack 'em,
Bhaktajan
 
I think what mostly challenges some ... is the idea that God actually cooperates ~ with other parts of God's expression. If that's too much for you, just fathom that God expects YOU to cooperate ... with God, with each other, and yes, with ANYONE who demonstrates that s/he is able to lead you Soulfully.

Problem: Many no longer know, if ever they did, what `Soulful' even means.

Nevermind that it's in your precious `Bible,' if you've gotten everything wrong from Genesis 1:1 right through the symbolic accounts of Intelligent Design (sic) ... to the Gospel accounts of the Birth of the Christ within, and also the Book of Revelation [pretty much all-inclusive].

Why ON EARTH should I listen to someone who can't imagine God without human attributes, and these in the likeness of a Middle Easterner from 2100 years ago ... thus holding tremendous road blocks when it comes to interspecies communication & collaboration, since even `those people over _there_' [pick a spot on your planet] still provide a STICKING POINT (as your xenophobia will sooner or later demonstrate)?

First, learn to get along with your neighbors, family, husband, wife, ex-husband, ex-wife ... and then, maybe gradually, move toward that whole "Love thine enemies" thing, since we were told that pretty much any Joe Schmoe is supposed to be able to love his or her ~ neighbors, family, etc.

Hmmmmm ... ;)

Then there's just the issue of human ignorance, or what is technically nescience ... which can lead a person to make statements about the Christ and Buddha, or Christianity and Buddhism, which have no basis in fact, reflecting instead this same FEAR OF GETTING ALONG which might make some us have to come down from our high horse and stop preaching so f'ing much, and Lording it over the rest of folks, or even going door-to-door to try to ENLIGHTEN us poor, sorry-assed heathen folk who just really don't know no better than to believe in a buncha Buddhist crap, yes?

Meanwhile, Jesus and the Buddha continue to BE the change which THEY wished to see in the world ... and folks, They ain't DONE yet.

So, the way I figure it, neither are any of us ... by a LONG shot!
 
For reference, this is how I see it. I have studied certain particulars for 22 years & during several former incarnations since the time of Jesus:

Buddha: History records Shakyamuni's incarnations as Vyasa, who gave us the Vedas ... the original Zarathustra ... Orpheus, the Lyricist ... Thoth-Hermes, Thrice Greatest, who brought the Wisdom to Egypt and Greece ... Siddharta Gautama, Muni of the Shakya Clan, Lord Sangyas the Buddha. Additional expressions include Padmasambhava, and instances in which the Buddha overshadowed Jey Tsongkhapa ("occupied his vehicles").

Christ: History knows Him as Sri Krishna, prior to overshadowing the Initiate disciple, Jesus of Nazareth. One earlier, lesser-known incarnation is also mentioned.

Jesus: In recent times this Soul appears first as Joshua, Son of Nun, who received the Mosaic lineage from Moses' brother, Aaron. Next, the same Soul incarnates and takes Initiation [3rd, Transfiguration] as Joshua the High Priest, this being recorded by Zechariah in the Book of the same name. Finally, Jesus is born in 105BC, under the reign of Alexander Jannaeus, as history indicates. His travels to the East [where he is known as Issa, or Isha] prior to his 30th birthday are legendary and well-documented. Again, this is the Teacher of Righteousness ... and history records the truth in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Jesus would have been crucified in ~75BCE, although the cusp of Pisces was in 255BCE, for sake of reference. Apollonius of Tyana was the next incarnation of this Soul, and in that incarnation `Jesus' attained to Asekha Adept, even as the Christ was an Initiate of greater standing [being the eldest in our Spiritual Hierarchy, which is a point of agreement with certain Christian claims ~ if by coincidence]. One further incarnation of the this Soul is Sri Ramanujacharya, the Indian Reformer of Vedanta, from the 11th to 12th Century. Meanwhile, Jesus overshadowed Muhammed, much as He Himself had been overshadowed by the Christ. Thus, the ties are quite intimate between this Soul, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Certainly what is provided here is the esoteric account if it is researched, triangulated, checked carefully against several sources and authors ... and if the strongest points of agreement are taken as opposed to certain ideas which find popularity only with one or two supporters. An impartial investigator, given enough patience and perspicacity, will arrive at the same findings as the above ... and, when freed of all prior judgment and personal bias, come to accept them Faithfully and wholeheartedly. Of this, I am fully confident. What I cannot tell you, is where this point lies for you ~ along the continuum.
 
Certainly what is provided here is the esoteric account if it is researched, triangulated, checked carefully against several sources and authors ... and if the strongest points of agreement are taken as opposed to certain ideas which find popularity only with one or two supporters. An impartial investigator, given enough patience and perspicacity, will arrive at the same findings as the above ... and, when freed of all prior judgment and personal bias, come to accept them Faithfully and wholeheartedly. Of this, I am fully confident. What I cannot tell you, is where this point lies for you ~ along the continuum.
The way to know swimming is to swim. You can say great things about swimming, and everyone may agree with you, but if you have not done the swimming then your account of swimming would truthfully be fiction.

You may say that you have come to accept Santa Claus, Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen, Comet, Cupid, Donner, Blitzen, and Rudolf, Faithfully and wholeheartedly. Looks great on paper, as if it were some sort of good virtue. But if you have not gone distributing the presents with Santa Claus in a sleigh pulled by his reindeer, how much faith and heart was really involved into your armchair investigation? In this esoteric method you describe, I see zero faith with very little heart, and that can lead to rather foolish discernment. Whether or not Santa and his reindeer are real, per the esoteric method you describe, your time and heart beats shared with them would be pure fiction: non-existent.
 
If you know a 'subject' ... then explain your expertise! ---versus being a hired or wannabe "Master of Cermonies" (an 'MC').

There's this amazing ignorance of Christian doctrines ... "One Way to the Father"

hostility to Christianity

I'd guess that "we" do know all about the path to the Father.

The Maxim is:

Only via the "Transparent medium of a bonefide guru" do we come to SALVATION.

The other maxim is:
"How do you know who your real father is? Ask your Mother"

UIUIUIUIUIIIIUIUIUUIUIUIUIUI

Pontius Pilatus was a real person with true unique identifying traits and personality ---but he being a mortal, is long dead--- similarly, KRISHNA, The Supreme personality of Godhead, aka, the Almighty God the Father in Heaven is the revelation of the Mystery of God's Person and pastimes and Transcendent Spiritual Abode outside the Material Cosmos of Time & Space ---as we know it, is revealed after centuries of being hid from mankind.

Only through the GURU do we get 'entre'.

1st Maxim is a Spiritual Life and credo:
"We are NOT this material Body ---we are Spirit Souls"
aka
"We are spirit souls in a material Body"

Ever think about the status-quo of ancient life and the Pathos that accompanied it?

How then would a spiritual person explain that to the "Suffering Masses" during ancient times, especially, how to do the task with some lasting effect?

Christ's Life and times accomplished this most elementary lesson for the masses ---people that usually were seeking only a] Food, b] Comfort, d] Sex and e] Protection.

These 4 catagories are the occupation of the materially minded Human ---not transcendence nor the seeking of a Guru nor salvation ---all those ancient people could hope for was Low-Taxes.

God advents as "Guru" ---yet only teaches lessons as per time and place ---aka, as per the level of Spiritual acumen of the general population that live where God has advented.

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As for posting topics that one is learned in:

"Haste makes waste" this is the obstacle when posting on the forums IMO.

We are trying to write quickly and succinctly while also, injecting personal POVs ---this results in parsed trains of thoughts.

So multiple postings that gradually inform us of your opinions is what should be expected ahead of time

... here we go ...
 
There's this amazing ignorance of Christian doctrines I'm seeing here as if few of you knew Christianity is based on "One Way to the Father" and my affirmation of this creed is somehow strange Christianity to you. I suggest talking with some Christians to overcome ignorance of Christianity since you can't accept what I say.
Wide and varied are the number of interpretations and innovative visions. Yours are certainly innovative and unique, with paxcalibur and a native Indian Josephine Christ from the left hand side of God. Do you teach that yourself and Josephine are the "One Way to the Father"?

To suggest that anyone is limited from a prayer or interaction with God speaks against yourself and your own experience. It speaks against the many examples written in the bible, and it speaks against my own personal experience. I submit that a prayer can be spoken by anyone, anytime, anywhere, in private or in the company of others. Do you disagree? Do you really think there is a limitation on where, when, and whether or not you are carrying your paxcalibur?
 
Wide and varied are the number of interpretations and innovative visions.

keeping in the spirit of the above quote ---I want to apollogise for the strangers that have posted the following anti-Christian Ban on their Hindu-Forum Web-Site.

I am in dis-belief to read these most "Hill-billy" sentiments.

I cannot conceive that this site is really a true hindu-forum any more.

IMO The site is an elaborate front for Mis-information ---that censor 80% of potential posts.

And now with this Proclamation to "delete any mention of the name Jesus" ---leads me to describe the site as simply "a Blog site with select contributors".

There seems to be nothing Bonefide except the window dressing.

Too bad.

Wonder if ... in tre Pole has a file on them?

 
Sounds a bit like the Life of Pi: "And so it goes with Man."
 
luecy7 said:
In this esoteric method you describe, I see zero faith with very little heart, and that can lead to rather foolish discernment.
Well I'm glad you're here to sort it all out ... although I'd be worried about my own "faith and very little heart" ~ if I were you. In short, I'm not the one with doubts as to what I believe, where my faith rests, or what kind of discernment I'm using.

Did it ever occur to you that I'm absolutely, positively 100% certain that what I've shared is fully sound? Well, I'm at least 98% or so certain [see below]. ;)

What I posted regarding former incarnations of Buddha, Jesus and Christ is capable of verification and needs only your willingness, your patience and your determined EFFORT in order to confirm - whether that takes a month, two months, or twenty years. Because I know most of you well enough, however, I know that you won't bother lifting a finger ~ thus the sort of hasty dismissal from luecy7 doesn't surprise me.

When it comes to "one way to the Godhead," I recommend learning about the Path of Initiation. If you already know about that [skinker, et al] then you will surely know of the correlation between Christ's Teaching regarding the STAGES of that Path and what has been taught in the East for thousands of years ... long, long before a modern Judaism or even the Babylonian and Sumerian connections with astrology.

Sirius is the Cosmic Christ, being the star LOW ON THE HORIZON this time of year (and you can do your own research as to where it was one twelfth of the precessional cycle ago, being early in Pisces) ... as pointed at by the belt stars of Orion.

LEARN something about Christianity, ye who would otherwise stare down your noses ... either *practicing* or speculating ... and figure out the WHAT and WHY of the Star the Magi followed. Eventually you will even recognize these same Magi as the group of Mahatmas who authored or co-authored The Secret Doctrine with help from H.P. Blavatsky ~ but hey, one step at a time. It's still a bit much for some folks just to get past the hurdle of life after death.

Oh, but, btw, let's keep it to things I actually UNDERSTAND, and/or HAVE EXPERIENCED ... and/or, of course, can speak to from some direct AUTHORITY, AWARENESS, KNOWLEDGE and perhaps even qualified Wisdom [in whatever small measure, yes, though still amounting to yours, and yours, and yours put together, though I have forgotten much, or admittedly allowed some to retreat from disuse].

Yes, this is why I DO speak of the life after death, rebirth, the Masters, the awakening of Buddha Nature [the Christ within] and the sure, certain fact that ANY of you which chooses to take up this sort of yoke [a YOGA of Living ETHICS, as it has been called] in due, proper time ~ and at your OWN calling ~ shall surely come to the same beginnings of Enlightenment as I have.

And yes, to be almost certain, you will do so in another time and place ... for as surely as bhaktajan speaks of a Guru, surely he knows that his GURU can appear in any atom, any grain of sand, any stranger's face, any family member's face, or as readily in the thin air in front of him ~ when the student becomes READY. Such can occur moment to moment, yet NO STUDENT or would-be-disciple ... NO Aspirant to Discipleship ... goes unnoticed or will fail to meet with the Teacher, once that student has proven him or herself fit for the Path. This is Maggo, and if you have become the Path, then you will understand what I mean ... and you will have no confusion, doubt or question whatsoever.

First, eliminate doubt. Second, remove sakkayaditti, the delusion of SELF ~ which I notice is still present in your comments ... if to varying degree and strength of emphasis. I may not personally be immune, yet I have NO doubt when it comes to most of what I've shared in prior posts {aside from a possible error or two regarding the Buddha's incarnations ~ DOH!} ~ thus my FAITH is fairly steady, overall, and unwavering.

But I also know the GURU, as even in one lifetime it has been possible for me to meet several.

Christ/Krishna/Messiah may be the "Teacher alike of Angels and of Men," as it has been put ... true Head of the Spiritual Hierarchy ... but most of you have no qualms about expressing what confusion this brings to your mind, if not rejecting the fact outright, that this is ONE Individual we are speaking of ~ as well as an OFFICE, or a POST within the Hierarchy [thus a role that is filled by different individuals across the Ages].

And the person who's actually closest to expressing the proper relationship and understanding DOES seem to be skinker, who at least recognizes the astrological FOUNDATION of esoteric Christianity ... even if she demonstrates a LACK of cognition by asserting that this is somehow the same-old, same-old member's only club, just "deeper" than you all had perhaps speculated. :rolleyes:

Yes, I do intend to take a look at Celestial Torah Christianity, although if it strays much beyond Gandhi's advice to BE THE CHANGE we wish to see, I may have to set it aside ... until my mind clears. Oh, you see, my HEART is just so, so troubled by all this upset that luecy7 has caused. I mean, how am I supposed to SLEEP, to EAT, to BREATHE and to get on with my life until I have discovered the secret path to enlightenment, jollity and FUN TIMES as luecy7 has indicated I am LACKING?

DO SKULE me about it all, okay? I could seriously run out of oxygen here! :eek:

Prayer, yes, can move straight forth from one's own heart [and mind] to the object(s) of one's devotion. That being said, if anyone here thinks his or her prayers and thoughts stretch from YOUR mind and heart TO that of God, I think you have some explaining to do regarding your choice to use this latter term [`God']. First, you qualify that and explain just exactly WHERE or HOW your Prayers are "making it there." Then I buy the tiniest fragment or portion of your assertions and crazy claims ... IF there's anything to them. Or, you can do as I often do and just say, "No, it works for me; if you don't like it, go fish."

But I assert: Your so-called PRAYERS will not lift far "off the ground" if they are weighted and burdened by your own selfish motives ... and even when more noble, selfless and other-focused, it becomes the purity of the thought [prayer, content of Consciousness] plus the LOVE expressed, as well as how Intelligently this goes forth [to be overly simple, for the moment] that determines how effective the Prayer is, or how closely it comes to reaching its object or achieving its goal.

Nor will God heal the sick person whose karma IS GOD'S LAW, working out ... or return the person preparing for death to the body, when she is about to depart. If anything, your HELPFUL prayers will assist in God's PROCESSES working out. But how many of you [besides possibly bhaktajan] even *bothers* to pray for a fortunate rebirth for the troubled member of your family who dies amidst unpleasant circumstances ... or for the diminishing of the hellish, bardo experiences of a person who might have once frequented THESE forums, yet only taunted and terrorized his fellow forum members, rather than encouraging them or attempting to uplift their spirits in times of need?

How many, when they meet the distraught, discouraged would-be theologian on the path, in the afterlife, will share a kindness and remind him that ~ no, the world's not come to an end just because he was as dead wrong as can be about Christ, and rebirth, and all his precious Roman Catholic swiss cheese eschatology? Will you befriend him and help him, or will you simply spit on him and laugh, and call attention to the chains of his errors & misdeeds which now attend him, like Jacob Marley from Dickens' A Christmas Carol.

Folks, I don't really care that you either don't "see it" or that, in doing so, you make out a slightly different result. For what we both see, when we DO "see it," you see, is at one and the same time the very SAME twinkle. It is like the tiny, tiny sparkle within the Christmas tree ornament ... and if we are careful we shall find that, even as this twinkling sparkle grows to FILL that ornament [and yeah, it's fullovit alright] so the resulting scene may not be the same for each of us, yet it is BORN of the same Light [as in "LOVES PURE LIGHT" from the carol] ~ and also it holds the same Potential. The difference is: Some can glimpse and imagine the Greatness; others, the same, just to lesser degree.

What is very, very small sometimes holds within it large, very large possibilities. And so they say that you too may find your `Guru' as he already dwells WITHIN your heart, Bhakti or no, Christian or no, Gnostic or no and of course, believer or no ... thus I do hope you will take Heart and set aside the un-Knowing of a luecy7, or the endless complications of a would-be Ecumenist, etc.

What IS the change which YOU wish to see in the world ... that you would acknowledge the Wisdom of Gandhi, as certainly HE followed his own advice, as have countless others before and since?

What DO you wish to accomplish ~ in your own life, in your own circle of friends, family and associates?

And if there are several ways to go about any given task, or particular object that you've set before yourself along these lines ... HOW will you best go about that so as to remain in keeping with your own, chosen line of approach?

Enough of that, this Dude knows he has the makings of a White Russian downstairs ... and time's a wastin'!

HO HO HO ... Ho hum
 
Oh, you see, my HEART is just so, so troubled by all this upset that luecy7 has caused. I mean, how am I supposed to SLEEP, to EAT, to BREATHE and to get on with my life until I have discovered the secret path to enlightenment, jollity and FUN TIMES as luecy7 has indicated I am LACKING?
I said nothing of the sort.
 
The sword of which Christ speaks is called `viveka.' It is discrimination, or Discernment. Read Patanjali's Yoga Aphorisms if you need to brush up. In Tibetan Buddhism, it is the Sword of Manjushi, and I recommend at least researching THIS (even if all you do is google an image).

Christ did exactly as HE HIMSELF had already done in a fairly well-known prior incarnation. As Sri Krishna, he taught Arjuna what to do on the battlefield of life, where even friends and family were gathered, AT WAR ~ and often at ODDS with one another, one way ~ or another.

As a shrink of mine summed up Krishna's entire discourse once:

KRISHNA TOLD Arjuna to PUNT

But if you don't have good discernment, you will not only fail to recognize the Christ, standing right beside you [the Apostle Andrew did just that] ... you will also fail to recognize Him in today's world.

Hence a majority of Christians [but usually identified by their vociferousness and bold claims of being `born again'] do not know ~ or even really know much about ~ their `Savior' ... nor do they have the ability, as yet developed within their thought processes, to recognize any of the other Great Ones.

Without discernment [viveka, Manjushri's SWORD of Truth, as referenced in the quote from Matthew] you will be able to say all sorts of things about Christ, Christed Jesus or even the disciple & Initiate Jesus [Jesus chrestos] ... but it will be a bit like the average 4-yr-old deciding to school you in advanced algebra-trig, or calculus. Though not theoretically impossible, it is extremely highly unlikely, dubious and rare.

Thus, while a vast majority of people who yap on about Jesus/Christ and Scripture-pick do not actually have the discernment, or ability to present the Truth of the matter, this certainly does not stop them from *thinking* they do, or from feeling compelled to tell the rest of us how WE should read the Bible, or regard this wonderful REVELATION [from Genesis to the Book of the same name, inclusive ~ or even just the New Testament Gospels, Pauline letters, etc.].

Early on, and certainly here & there ever since MY first post at CR [wait, Interfaith.org] ... I have occasionally come across with all the zeal, all the blind fanatical devotion and every bit the unreasonable, bash-others-over-the-head approach which turns Jesus the Christ ~ and this whole `in God's name' [or in Jesus' name] business ~ into just another weapon to brandish. Except that when you beat a person over the head in this manner, all you really do is reveal what a fool YOU are, and how much YOU have left to learn - and practice - on the way to Godhood & the Godhead.

I take for granted that we would all like to acknowledge, approach and even - once we realize it is both possible and Destined - be more like Jesus the Christ ... or, alternately, some other Divine Messenger, Emissary from the Godhead or other Noble figure, be s/he a spiritual/religious leader or otherwise. Many folks would prefer to emulate a non-religious figure - a humanitarian, philosopher or scientist - yet the desire is similar. We sense and wish to respond to the same Calling to BE all that we can BE. And this even exceeds the accomplishments and MIRACLE-WORKING of the New Testament, Gospel accounts of the Christ Himself (although the Christian usually ignores this portion of what Jesus TAUGHT us).

But you see, I certainly could discern a great deal, ten years or so ago, when I noticed a few folks at this site [and elsewhere] walking all over each other's backs, and I'm sure, burning the midnight oil, all to assure ME that my notion of THEosophical Mahamtas, including both Jesus and the Christ ~ is unfounded, inaccurate, philosophically unsound and JUST PLAIN WRONG.

So folks, next time you discover someone who, while on the one hand, claims that the Sun and planets and the rest of Cosmos orbits OUR little blue-green orb of wonder [magnificent as it may be] ... yet on the other, also assures you that no such CHIMERAS as Masters and Bodhisattvas, arhats and Buddhas actually exist ... or certainly not as you have come to imagine them, I say BE WARY. And immediately watch that person, to notice what it is they're driving at, and how they go about attempting to refute your claims. For what I think you'll [often, if not always] see is that in fact, it is their own theology, or philosophy, or spiritual worldview, which is the more lacking.

Why? Because if they had the ability [already developed] as some of us do, to exercise that ability of Consciousness which allows us to DISCERN Truth from falsehood, they would never, EVER deny the existence of the Mahatmas and Masters, Buddha and Arhats, Teachers and Spirit Guides more prolific - on the one hand - than perhaps all the GRAINS of sand you've ever walked on, while on the other hand, these are the highest authorities on spiritual and occult matters alive today on Planet Earth (if numbering only 63 in terms of the spiritual Hierarchy, and perhaps a few hundred as far as High Initiates actively working toward the goal of Planetary Peace and Humanity's hastened Awakening).

There will also be no denial of the things I have said on these forums regarding the Christ, the Galilean Adept and the current, past or future Buddhas ... as anyone will surely agree who has once glimpsed the same Truths as taught by Theosophical sources, whether these same Truths have been approached by another esoteric system (and there are many) ~ or whether in fact they have been realized via exoteric religions under WHATEVER system of codification and discipline.

We may certainly disagree over a particular or two, or as to some of the details which, precisely, determine either a Western or an Eastern approach, or constitute a more orthodox approach vs. a more modern, revised or reformed approach ... even while both [or all] can be equally useful and vital, for different individuals [or even the same individual] at various stages along THE SPIRITUAL PATH.

But unless a person can come to acknowledge that in fact, yes, there is but ONE Spiritual Path of Awakening, experienced differently as surely as you & I standing side by side will have a slightly different visual angle [quite literally] on the same distant scene ... that person remains unaware of even the beginnings of the Path of Wisdom, and/or lives in denial ~ often kicking against the pricks, as we have either experienced, witnessed or discovered.

If you know anything about the incarnation of Jesus of Nazareth after the Crucifixion ... then you at least know that he was Apollonius of Tyana. And if you are familiar with the work of this Great Adept [sic], you may also know that what he did involved the location, placement, magnetizing and/or re-magnetizing/re-vitalization of many talismans ~ some of which served immediately, others since then, and others yet to come in a profound spiritual capacity affecting our entire planet [and all Kingdoms, all Life-waves and Lifeforms contained therein, including Devic & Human most notably].

But what can ANYONE here tell me of such work, of JESUS in his next birth?

For certainly, IF your powers of discernment are in operation, you have no question whatsoever as to the veracity of what I have just shared. And if you are also even slightly in tune with this Adept, TODAY, then you will also be able to ASK HIM, should you have a fleeting moment of doubt or uncertainty ... and again, HIS OWN WORDS and confirmation will surely return you to the awareness that is already, otherwise, so *solid*.

So do tell, if you know of such work ... but if you do not, perhaps you will find it interesting to read up, listen and perhaps learn about such from someone else [skinker] who ~ as best as I would gather (w/o further investigation) ~ must almost certainly be called to something of the same (as was Apollonius, if in a much greater capacity, as his work probably took him across most of Europe & Asia, as did that of Jesus ... and perhaps also to the Americas and other continents).

If you are going to challenge others to go get a line on the Truth, as so regarded by such an one as Jesus of Nazareth, or the Christ, or the Buddha, etc. ... please be prepared to DO SO YOURSELF. For I know a great many of folks here, for whom I may feel all the love in the world - and toward whom I may be ACTIVELY trying to practice tolerance, patience, diplomacy & co-Measurement {*look it up*} - yet whose opinions, comments & postings I must certainly take with a chunk of salt ... for the reasons already stated.

In short, since I know full well that Masters and Mahatmas, Buddhas and Bodhisattvas ~ exist (if not quite as we sometimes imagine them) ... and since I know a bit more than that, including enough detail to keep ME busy [in both emulation, and continued learning-mode, via OBservation] for many lifetimes to come ... the last thing I will EVER need, from most folks here, is any kind of a lesson on "what Jesus really taught," or what Jesus was really like ~ or in fact, what True Christianity was like in 75BCE, at the death of Jesus, or before, or afterward.

Remind me to be polite? Sure, we all can use that from time to time. And correct me if I give a date of 1066 for Columbus finding America, yet 1492 for the Battle of Hastings, ok? But when you know no better, don't try and take me down a peg, or a notch (or do the same with anyone else), for all you've really done - regardless as to what others perceive - is prove to me your own ignorance, or nescience. And that's not necessarily bad ... but I have to wonder, what possibly could you be hoping to accomplish by such? Or, as I sometimes wonder about various folks or postings, Do you even realize what your doing, or how you're coming across? Perhaps this is the very problem! :eek:

Yes, there are things (as perhaps the above) which some of us can say, which make us instantly appear as nothing more than smug and religiously or spiritually self-righteous. Then again, there is the same possibility when you listen to an accomplished physicist lecture on his findings, or when an actress begins to describe how wonderful it was to play such-and-such a role. Where modesty fails, and where humility goes out the window, it begins to cease to matter whether the person in question is even telling the Truth or not, for while the subject may be near & dear to us all, the very delivery can become so grating, so unpleasant and so unbearable that even a lecture-hall packed with would-be followers or converts will slowly, one by one, stand up & empty ... in disgust.

So, as Thomas would sometime remind me, "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar," and at least in this much, he is certainly right!

Now, if only he understood that HIS OWN mission here at CR/Interfaith.org is by no means the same as MY motivation for being here ... and that "catching flies" just really kind of says it all, regarding how HE regards his fellow human beings [Catholic or non-Catholic, either way] vs. how I so regard others, perhaps he would also see that Christ Jesus did not send us forth, either then OR now, to CATCH FLIES. For the choice of visuals, in this case, pretty much says it all ... and although I know precisely whom & what some folks worship, I don't usually find it necessary to remind others that they tend to worship objects [like widescreen tvs, automobiles and cell phones], or of course, BA'AL [Beelzebub, Lord of Flies] ~ without the former understanding precisely what is our true relationship to the latter (and to other, perhaps equally unsavory or confusing manifestations of the One and Only God that has ever existed).

Yeah, it's not just politically incorrect, it's also quite rude to say things like, "Hey, I'm just here to trap flies, since that's my interpretation of what God sent me out to do," thus anyone who does recognize and try to respond to his or her own higher Calling must continue, day in & day out, to seek further guidance and clarification as to just what this Mission might really entail. If you think Christ or chrestos Jesus simply glimpsed the Beautific Vision one day and decided, AHA!, here's the way to Serve and Honor God, then of course, you're at least half-right. But you will quickly move into the half-wrong category (which is not so great) if you also think, Yeah, I'll bet he never questioned things again, and from that moment forward, understood PRECISELY what to do at every juncture, every turn, every new/old meeting with a new/old human being ... and Friend-in-Spirit.

So, like the chap does in the movie Pi, you may need to CHECK YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ... and, if you're wise, you'll also CHECK YOUR AGENDAS at the door, for if/when you understand step ONE regarding Spiritual Service, you will also realize, from a very TRUE and helpful perspective (if you can take it, and stand it), you are actually LOW PERSON on the totem pole ~ if not quite the very lowest (and sometimes, even that is true). As such humility and clear INSIGHT into [y]our true condition can only open doors and reveal to you something of the Path which we ALL must tread ... you may also gain valuable insight into how to SERVE others, as increasingly, CLAIR VOYANCE will show you that this is, from one pov, the ONLY reason any of us are here at this time, incarnate, on this planet, during the time of the Reappearance of the Christ.

If you have difficulty making connections, it might be time to return to the ground floor, step OUTSIDE of your current (figurative, or literal) dwelling-structure, and just for a moment, CLOSE the Door. For when some of us can no longer (if ever we could) recognize the Christ w/in, it may just be time to come OUT from our momentary darkness, behold the LIGHT (and the Beauty and the Wonder of Horatio's planet) and smiling, with fresh Affirmation, begin the Work AGAIN & ANEW. :)

Thus I have reinvented myself as a Christian, as a Buddhist, as a Theosophist and of course, as a PERSON, several times over. And I will not cease to do this, in this or any future lifetime for as far as my mind's eye can see ... even after the experience of the Renunciation & Resurrection/Ascension, afaik or can imagine. If we do not die daily, what chance have we of EVER being reborn in the fashion of a chrestos-become-Christos, as we find with Jesus, with Paul, with John the Baptist and John the Evangel, et al?
 
Where allegedly Christ said,
"You may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword; for I came to set a man at variance against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and the enemies of a man are those of his household."

The alleged Ecumenist said,
"The sword of which Christ speaks is called `viveka.' It is discrimination, or Discernment."

Amazing! I am going to frame a copy of this and mount it somewhere, perhaps over a fireplace, and I am going to shred a copy of this and burn it, perhaps in a fireplace.
 
Here you go, lets keep the raging-on-Abrahams on a dedicated thread.
I am willing to respond to a post on the thread where someone placed it, and I am willing to not respond. Perhaps you should ask the Ecumenist for his discernment, on whether or not he wants a word exchange to continue on his thread. :)
 
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