There is no G!d...

All the head start you might need, should you choose to press the envelope, can be found here:

Krishnamurti

Meanwhile, I'll see you then, or possibly there.
 
Do you truly find your reaction here justifiable?

How can you judge the advancement of another when you do not know the destination?

As the Upanishads say, as Buddha has confirmed, we are ever That. The very seeking, or rather the seeker, is the delusion. Ego is maya, when the world is painted with our thoughts, how can reality be seen?

The nature of the thought matters not, good or bad, they only cover truth which is neither.
 
Do you truly find your reaction here justifiable?

How can you judge the advancement of another when you do not know the destination?

As the Upanishads say, as Buddha has confirmed, we are ever That. The very seeking, or rather the seeker, is the delusion. Ego is maya, when the world is painted with our thoughts, how can reality be seen?

The nature of the thought matters not, good or bad, they only cover truth which is neither.
Stick with Neti, Neti.

I know more about the destination than you do. To prove it, tell me what YOU say, is our destination.

If you don't like my stream-of-thought posts, that's fine. But don't jump in, proverbially smack me in the face with your EGO, try to one-up me with some fluff of your own, then take the opportunity to shit on Theosophists just for spite.

YOU have a lot of nerve. If you are going to enter the fray, don't run chickenshit if it turns to a FIGHT.

All I did was post some RAMBLING, as you put it, which sought to engage ANOTHER PERSON entirely ~ in the realms of mind where YOU YOURSELF have yet to come to terms ... or even contemplate, that nothing in life SAVE Life is free; rather, it must ALL be earned.

I'll take my Karmic licks, for I know the nature of things. You, however, are just pretending ... for even Patanjali never said, that qualitatively speaking, ALL THOUGHT IS THE SAME.

Do not make a MOCKERY of the Teachings of Sri Krishna. Do not make of Buddha a Fool. For each of these, as verily as Christ Jesus, appeared on our planet to inch us closer to DIVINE RULE.

I think you know NOTHING of what this means. PROVE me wrong. Demonstrate, if you will, that in your heart, there is a MERRY song.

People think I am bitter, perhaps. And complain because I am candid, or at times a bit too frank. Yet when you die, and remember `crazy old Taijasi' ... I think it's me you'll learn to thank. Love?

That's every bit as difficult. But I leave the hard part ~ UP TO YOU.

PROVE to me that you are more than just another talking head. Prove to me your time won't be as completely wasted ... as most of us realize, only once we're DEAD. Again.

NAMA SKARA

Sure there's room in this world for prophets and talking heads, of a thousand DIFFERENT voices, and a thousand times a thousand off-key, humdrum choruses.

Do you believe that this is our Destination, and that therefore, all is well as usual ~ in Babylon?

Do speak to me of this DESTINATION ... as I always thought, the Path was revealed EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. Or are you like the Christians? Pretty much just here, to see if another - rather than you own - soul might be saved?

Do tell.
 
All the head start you might need, should you choose to press the envelope, can be found here:

Krishnamurti

Meanwhile, I'll see you then, or possibly there.

I find this insulting, what need is there to interpret Jiddu? He has spoken too clearly, to the detriment of directness, only that we understand him.

To see what I mean, try reading Maharishi Ramana or Nisargadatta Maharaj, both speak FAR more directly and are contemporaries of Jiddu. Both are regarded as Advaita teachers, yet neither are concerned with the Vedas. No texts can help, it is not something attained by better information or more knowledge, it is to see the knower.

To come home means to abide again as that for which all appears, the one who upholds theosophy or Buddha, that says you are male or female, that watches hobbies and your vocation, even the one that sees spiritual states. Through all change, there is a silent stillness pervading it all.

Only that is Truth, all else only distracts us from it.
 
Stick with Neti, Neti.

I know more about the destination than you do. To prove it, tell me what YOU say, is our destination.

If you don't like my stream-of-thought posts, that's fine. But don't jump in, proverbially smack me in the face with your EGO, try to one-up me with some fluff of your own, then take the opportunity to shit on Theosophists just for spite.

YOU have a lot of nerve. If you are going to enter the fray, don't run chickenshit if it turns to a FIGHT.

All I did was post some RAMBLING, as you put it, which sought to engage ANOTHER PERSON entirely ~ in the realms of mind where YOU YOURSELF have yet to come to terms ... or even contemplate, that nothing in life SAVE Life is free; rather, it must ALL be earned.

I'll take my Karmic licks, for I know the nature of things. You, however, are just pretending ... for even Patanjali never said, that qualitatively speaking, ALL THOUGHT IS THE SAME.

Do not make a MOCKERY of the Teachings of Sri Krishna. Do not make of Buddha a Fool. For each of these, as verily as Christ Jesus, appeared on our planet to inch us closer to DIVINE RULE.

I think you know NOTHING of what this means. PROVE me wrong. Demonstrate, if you will, that in your heart, there is a MERRY song.

People think I am bitter, perhaps. And complain because I am candid, or at times a bit too frank. Yet when you die, and remember `crazy old Taijasi' ... I think it's me you'll learn to thank. Love?

That's every bit as difficult. But I leave the hard part ~ UP TO YOU.

PROVE to me that you are more than just another talking head. Prove to me your time won't be as completely wasted ... as most of us realize, only once we're DEAD. Again.

NAMA SKARA

Sure there's room in this world for prophets and talking heads, of a thousand DIFFERENT voices, and a thousand times a thousand off-key, humdrum choruses.

Do you believe that this is our Destination, and that therefore, all is well as usual ~ in Babylon?

Do speak to me of this DESTINATION ... as I always thought, the Path was revealed EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. Or are you like the Christians? Pretty much just here, to see if another - rather than you own - soul might be saved?

Do tell.

There is no destination, thus the idiocy of proclaiming any distance from it.

We are already what we seek.
 
I find this insulting, what need is there to interpret Jiddu? He has spoken too clearly, to the detriment of directness, only that we understand him.

To see what I mean, try reading Maharishi Ramana or Nisargadatta Maharaj, both speak FAR more directly and are contemporaries of Jiddu. Both are regarded as Advaita teachers, yet neither are concerned with the Vedas. No texts can help, it is not something attained by better information or more knowledge, it is to see the knower.

To come home means to abide again as that for which all appears, the one who upholds theosophy or Buddha, that says you are male or female, that watches hobbies and your vocation, even the one that sees spiritual states. Through all change, there is a silent stillness pervading it all. Only that is Truth.
There is but one person, or any who speak for that One ... who will be able to `go beyond,' with me, in the way that you are attempting to. Until then, I am waiting. Yes, on you.

NETI NETI

Mindgames again, my dualist friend?

Keep playing them forever, just so you're chanting the Mantra, PEACE ON EARTH

Otherwise, what's the blankety-blank point for taking constant Rebirth?

OVER and OVER and OVER ...

Hoppity-hop, I guess. Just like that damn rabbit ...
 
Neti neti only serves to show nothing in consciousness is us.

The path is revealed with every step because the hurdles we create in realizing truth are up to us. There is no rule about how we find our way home because we have never left, it is all leela.

I only wish to show this.
 
Even the one claiming 'not this' must be dropped though.

Ramana is more direct because from the very start he points at this one.
 
Dropped by who?

Simply stop putting attention on it, yet this becomes an egoistic desire too.

What then can be done?

Nothing, and in this utter futility, it happens.
When you finally surrender, all fallacy drops of its own accord.
Truth is that which cannot be dropped.

Just don't be fooled when ego returns, know it is not you.
Nothing mind offers can be true, stay as that which sees it.
 
Neti neti only serves to show nothing in consciousness is us.

The path is revealed with every step because the hurdles we create in realizing truth are up to us. There is no rule about how we find our way home because we have never left, it is all leela.

I only wish to show this.
Personally, I don't feel like coming back and going through the misery any more than I have to, you dig?

The irony of ME telling YOU to quit with the mental masturbation is beyond comprehension. Maybe the ENLIGHTENED STATES you suggest will reveal the humor here ... yet it changes nothing.

If you're going to speak of the Beyond, that's fine. Just accept your simple Humanity. Accept that like everyone else, you're sometimes RIGHT, and sometimes WRONG.

Then, if the Arthur Fonzarelli trick doesn't stump you and stupefy your wit, you'll see that all I'M hoping to show, is that everything YOU and I are both speaking of ... well Friend, we're all going through IT.

Nirvana is here, now, yes, and this much I already really Know. But once this faint beginning of a Realization starts to percolate into outer awareness, wouldn't you agree that we've made our BEGINNING ... and have a Journey ahead?

That in fact, we are ALL HERE TO GROW?

Well then, you are speaking about dwelling with Tathagatas, and I quite admire that, yet when you say:
"The path is revealed with every step because the hurdles we create in realizing truth are up to us. There is no rule about how we find our way home because we have never left, it is all leela."​
you give rise to misconceptions, misunderstandings, errors in the heart & mind of ANYONE who is hoping to proceed, to advance or to come to terms with our present, our past, our future.

The first half of what you say is spot on. The second half might better be abandoned ... for an entirely *different* song.

There is no rule about how we find our way home? Ok then. Is it okay if I come take all your possessions? I mean, you say there aren't any rules. May I also have your clothes? You don't need them, in my book. How about your thoughts? I'll have those too. Now give me your body. I want that, since I might one day need to die ... and when this thing's worn out, yours might be in better shape. You don't care, right? I mean, I can MAKE UP the rules.

Fact is, it's all just LILA. And I'm quite enjoying my play. Now, if you want to see what BULLSHIT this is, let's see what follows:

JERK or not, I'm saying, GET OUT OF MY WAY!!!

You see? Rules are here for a reason. Fail to observe them, on whatever level, and there are consequences. I don't care WHO you are, or WHERE you're from, or WHAT you're smoking ... or which way you turn. Christ taught that there are Rules. Buddha and Sri Krishna did the same. Just ask any Roman Catholic, right before he converts a few more infidels ... all in `Jesus's Holy Name,' yadda yadda.

RULES ARE PART OF LIFE

And so is Karma, often right down to who becomes your husband, or who becomes your wife. If that applies.

DHARMA and KARMA are the Rhyme and Reason of the COSMOS

You do not transcend them. You learn to Co-OPERATE with them. And Co-CREATE with the Gods. Devas, Spirits, Buddhas or Arhats. I think you'll find that Samadhi isn't the same `emptiness' that fluffity-fluff Western minds have made out ... nor is all the mental jerking off going to get you there.

Trust me. I do know. :)

So yeah, sure. It's all DEFINITELY Lila. And some of us are having quite a good time of it. Why? Doesn't it SHOW? :D

Oh I'm sorry. You're seeing what you WANT to see again. After all, the way YOU play slippy with reality, I can pretty much look into that mirror and MAKE UP WHAT I WANT. Now can't I. :rolleyes:

Yeah. Thought so.

So, what I take offense at is that unwillingness of the closed mind, and the unwelcoming heart, to pretty much cast aside what - quite frankly - JUST ISN'T CONVENIENT. Sure we may pretty screw up our planet. Yet some folks think it doesn't matter. Oh, well, *I* didn't have a part. I was busy sitting in Nirvana.

Uh-huh. Sure you were.
 
And TEN incarnations from now I think you'll still be working on this `dropping of ego' thing. That's okay. I may also be there, WITH you.

But by then, I'm pretty sure we'll have made the only Peace that matters.

You don't know much about Occultism, do you. Or non-dualism.

It shows.
 
Prove to me that you're no fool ... and that after all the mental jerking off, you still do try to PRACTICE the Dharma.

"Your other selves."

Meditate on that for awhile. Don't respond to ME, or tell ME what I can do with my three-word seed thought. I don't need the lecture from you. Ok?

What I'm interested in, is whether you are any wiser than anyone else here, and have a clue as to what RHETORICAL means.

Most of the time, I am confident that my own MONKEY MIND is pretty much going to outdo ANYONE's here at this site, or elsewhere.

You, AdvaitaZen, prove just how MISTAKEN I apparently am! :eek:
 
Siriusly though, if you DO still want to come walk across my swimming pool later, I will do all in my power to arrange for it. Nevermind that I have no pool, nor the cash to throw at you so you can buy the plane ticket ... but still, if it comes to it, I will MAKE IT HAPPEN. That's if, and when you can perform the feat.

In the meantime, I will still be working on the miracle. I will still be trying to walk ON EARTH.

I hope I run into you sometime. You know, when you're done with one of your Maha-Samadhis ... and choosing to pass through the ordinary world of us mortal folk, trapped down here in our blindness & our ignorance, otherwise unaware of how you, in your Infinite Wisdom, already know - that it's all just a Cosmic Joke.

Dance. Sorry. Close enough.

I was a Vaishnava too, once. For quite some time, I'm sure. Long enough.

And yes, I agree, it's all a wonderful Lila ... yet this is a leaven of sorts, and not in any way contradictory to a thousand other ACCURATE, helpful ways of understanding ourselves, our world, each other and GOD(s).

Join in on that, perhaps? Or otherwise, don't let me interrupt your discussions with OTHERS at this site, okay? Or wherever.

I just noticed that you seemed to want to engage me. And yes, that's quite a bit like biting off more than you, or most anyone I know, can chew.

Perhaps you'll even discover, before it's all over, just how much we have in common. Careful now ... what was that again?

That I'm quite LIKE you? Well, perhaps in most of the ways that matter, give or take a random characteristic, maybe even a Quality or two.

Most others go running in the face of the obvious, whether tautologists are around to make a stir about it, or not.

Can you dig it, or can you hack it? Whatever. Just so whatever you say, you can also BACK it.

My pool awaits. :)
 
Meanwhile, this is really really fun, but my cat and I are both hungry, so I gotta go to the store.

Other thoughts? Anyone?

Come on now ... it's the Dance of Lila ... and so I hear, *you can't go wrong*! ;)
 
Personally, I don't feel like coming back and going through the misery any more than I have to, you dig?

The irony of ME telling YOU to quit with the mental masturbation is beyond comprehension. Maybe the ENLIGHTENED STATES you suggest will reveal the humor here ... yet it changes nothing.

If you're going to speak of the Beyond, that's fine. Just accept your simple Humanity. Accept that like everyone else, you're sometimes RIGHT, and sometimes WRONG.

Then, if the Arthur Fonzarelli trick doesn't stump you and stupefy your wit, you'll see that all I'M hoping to show, is that everything YOU and I are both speaking of ... well Friend, we're all going through IT.

Nirvana is here, now, yes, and this much I already really Know. But once this faint beginning of a Realization starts to percolate into outer awareness, wouldn't you agree that we've made our BEGINNING ... and have a Journey ahead?

That in fact, we are ALL HERE TO GROW?

Well then, you are speaking about dwelling with Tathagatas, and I quite admire that, yet when you say:
"The path is revealed with every step because the hurdles we create in realizing truth are up to us. There is no rule about how we find our way home because we have never left, it is all leela."​
you give rise to misconceptions, misunderstandings, errors in the heart & mind of ANYONE who is hoping to proceed, to advance or to come to terms with our present, our past, our future.

The first half of what you say is spot on. The second half might better be abandoned ... for an entirely *different* song.

There is no rule about how we find our way home? Ok then. Is it okay if I come take all your possessions? I mean, you say there aren't any rules. May I also have your clothes? You don't need them, in my book. How about your thoughts? I'll have those too. Now give me your body. I want that, since I might one day need to die ... and when this thing's worn out, yours might be in better shape. You don't care, right? I mean, I can MAKE UP the rules.

Fact is, it's all just LILA. And I'm quite enjoying my play. Now, if you want to see what BULLSHIT this is, let's see what follows:

JERK or not, I'm saying, GET OUT OF MY WAY!!!

You see? Rules are here for a reason. Fail to observe them, on whatever level, and there are consequences. I don't care WHO you are, or WHERE you're from, or WHAT you're smoking ... or which way you turn. Christ taught that there are Rules. Buddha and Sri Krishna did the same. Just ask any Roman Catholic, right before he converts a few more infidels ... all in `Jesus's Holy Name,' yadda yadda.

RULES ARE PART OF LIFE

And so is Karma, often right down to who becomes your husband, or who becomes your wife. If that applies.

DHARMA and KARMA are the Rhyme and Reason of the COSMOS

You do not transcend them. You learn to Co-OPERATE with them. And Co-CREATE with the Gods. Devas, Spirits, Buddhas or Arhats. I think you'll find that Samadhi isn't the same `emptiness' that fluffity-fluff Western minds have made out ... nor is all the mental jerking off going to get you there.

Trust me. I do know. :)

So yeah, sure. It's all DEFINITELY Lila. And some of us are having quite a good time of it. Why? Doesn't it SHOW? :D

Oh I'm sorry. You're seeing what you WANT to see again. After all, the way YOU play slippy with reality, I can pretty much look into that mirror and MAKE UP WHAT I WANT. Now can't I. :rolleyes:

Yeah. Thought so.

So, what I take offense at is that unwillingness of the closed mind, and the unwelcoming heart, to pretty much cast aside what - quite frankly - JUST ISN'T CONVENIENT. Sure we may pretty screw up our planet. Yet some folks think it doesn't matter. Oh, well, *I* didn't have a part. I was busy sitting in Nirvana.

Uh-huh. Sure you were.

All rules are instruction for those that do not see truth.

Who do the consequences affect though? They are just more leela.

Bliss does not arise from becoming involved in the story.

Bliss comes from seeing you are nirvana, Brahman, formless unchanging no-thing-ness. The fear comes because this looks like death but are you alive? Even life is only happening in you, it too is not what you are. What then can die?

Samsara ceases only when the illusion falls, when you know you only watch the wheel turn. You have ever been the empty space which allows it to turn.
 
You know, a thought occurs to me (as i catch a snippet of `Monk' walking through the other room). Having not read a single word of your posts in the last hour, AdvaitaZen, I want to share something with you. Something about why I'm here, after ten years ... posting at this forum. Or having any of the conversations I occasionally do, after 20-some years of embracing things like Rebirth, the Theosophical Teachings, the existence of Arhats & Adepts, an afterlife, an astral plane ~ and a whole bunch more beyond. I want to say a word or two about what movitates me.

First of all, in my experience, I've met many, many people who seem to just need a little help, a little coaching. Perhaps you can relate, as I am somehow sure you are about this same effort too.

The effort is to help people to understand:

No, this is not `all by accident' or at random, or by coincidence {or Serendipity} ~ no matter how much things may seem this way at times. And thus, there is no need to apologize for God's Creation, or Emanation, or whatever folks wish to call it. Yet where there is lack of clarity regarding our Identity, there arises much confusion, and so the need is great to help each other along the way.

Some realizations are quite personal, concerning largely the Interior Life, and whether you are a Teresa of Avila or a Mahatma Gandhi, a Sri Aurobindo or a Vivekananda, we cannot easily communicate the revelations and contemplations of the Mystic ~ even if we are one, or have been, even many times. Thus the task of these and others has been difficult, but it is a Noble one, and worth all that they have done along just such lines.

Without a Rumi, I could not be who I am. Without a Helen Keller, you could not be who you are. Do you follow? If so, good, that's the first half of the equation, sometimes put this way: "Things are JUST SO." Another word to describe this is INTERCONNECTEDNESS. And even modern science has shown that IT IS SO.

What's the other half?

Well, I've already told you. The Path of the Occultist is one that requires us to be rigorous, scientific, disciplined, determined and certainly Patient. Yet it differs from that of the Mystic because we take for granted that certain things can very much be taught, or communicated. In that, it is not that I would insist that YOU, or anyone else, look the other way ... instead of speaking about the Transcendent Realms, about Consciousness which goes beyond LITTLE EGO, reaching out of the Bhūr Bhuvaḥ Svaḥ and into SAT-CHIT-ANANDA.

My posts are often lengthy, and this time, I really did think it was a good one. Yet the 2nd half of it is now mostly committed to the dustbin. What some would call an accidental, random keystroke, I prefer to call - not Fate, nor even Destiny, but in this case, Serendipity. Brevity becomes me, besides.

I basically encouraged you to KEEP TO YOUR PATH ... but to let others keep to their own. Your Path is not mine, any more than I would feel comfortable asking you to come live MY life, assume MY responsibilities and pretty much live in MY HOME. Would YOU trade all of this, with ME, with any delusions about me suddenly `becoming you' simply for the experiment?

Our other selves (remember, A-Z, I have not read a word you posted, yet) ~ might benefit, verily, but I think you'll agree, at the end of the day, that there are REASONS we say "now this is your ego" (or life, house, family, etc.) and "this/these are MINE." Karma simply means that unless you are a vintner, you grew and pressed the grapes, now it must be YOU that sips the wine.

Make sure it's a Good Harvest. That's the 2nd half of the equation.

No one else is Responsible for it, thus we would do well to refuse to own another person's Karma - even when it seems `kind' or helpful [since often it has the exact opposite, reverse outcome than we had HOPED] ~ and we would also do well to strive for WISE Inclusivity, which means the kind of Agape Love which A) FORGIVES, B) IDENTIFIES {with} [the `other'] and thus C) in FULL realization and acceptance of the implications of ego-delusion, ACTS without fail.

"Inaction in a deed of Mercy, becomes ACTION in a deadly Sin."

For those who are approaching the Mystic Path, it would be better to stick to the philosophies, and to *those aspects of* religion which complement it most appropriately ... while for the Occultist, none of these ceases to have relevance, yet like the astronomer who can fathom both the very large and the very small, certainly there is a different appreciation for the SCALE of things ~ and I mean Spiritually, from atom to Cosmos to God to Man, and very much `there and back again,' if we're speaking of Re/Incarnations, instead of Hobbits.

Most of those who KNOW, learn a little along the way about WHEN and WHY to keep their mouth shut. Then there's dumb ol' Taijasi. I have managed to put my foot in it quite often ... yet somehow, despite all the rending, I keep coming back from more punishment. Nevermind that I have been Jewish in two past lives and also most of this one, I also died one of those two a Vaishnava, even if shooting Asian people really wasn't what I had in mind when I was chanting GOVINDA JAYA JAYA.

SO listen up. You'll hear a lot of bullshit in the rest of your life. But there's one thing I'll always give you ... that not a whole lot of other people can promise, much less live up to. And that's the STRAIGHT DOPE.

If I don't know, I'll tell you so. I DAMN SURE won't pretend.

Thus, what distinguishes me from a lot of other folks? Not the Principle, but rather, it's practice. I am not a role-model. At times I am even the poster child for "don't do this." And that's nothing to brag about.

But if you ask me for advice, or for some help, I won't feed your head full of a lot of garbage and baloney about some mythical, magical, mysterious deity or pie-in-the-sky crapola which otherwise means squat to me ... except to ease my conscience once or twice a week when I'm not otherwise doing whatever the hell I please.

No, I DO choose what I please ... a bit too often. And thus, to return to a thought for Etu, since I keep seeing reference to the LHP:

Do you really have ANY idea what you are talking about?

If you want to know about it, from someone who at times, finds himself ON it, then ask away. For otherwise, it's a little like playing my Ozzy records backwards, rolling my eyeballs into the back of my head, lighting some black candles and growing my fingernails long. I mean, no, I don't snort coke or crack or whatever the hell it is people do with that fingernail. And I really don't think it's very amusing, except that I was a kid once, so I was into dark stuff too ...

~ but 99.9% of the folks who play and dabble and pretend to be interested in `darkness' and evil and Lucifer and all that rigamarole, really have no earthly idea what they're [even POTENTIALLY] into. Most of them, quite fortunately, are offered all the assistance that's needed, one way or the other, and manage to `clean up their act,' even if the work is largely done from the standpoint of the overshadowing Soul/Ego/Manasaputra ... and only involves our cooperation while out of the body, or via the sub-conscious.

It's fine, yet for a Theosophist, if you say you are "on the left-hand path," it's a little bit like saying, "I'm really a schmuck, a selfish, egotistical BASTARD and I care about NOBODY but myself ... and quite literally, admit it or not, I will do anything on this planet to exploit you, and pretty much force you to your knees, if it please [me] ~ since you are just a means to MY ends, recognize it or not."

I mean, you can be a rapist, a murderer or pretty much the scum of the Earth, and you are LIGHT YEARS more promising, or better off, spiritually speaking than one who has set even ONE FOOT consciously and intentionally upon the true left-hand path. That path leads to nothing but personal annihilation, and the untold suffering that occurs as we suffer through the Lifeless, Waveless period of Avichi ... is very much unspeakable. Not even the Christian, with his imaginary hells and cocked-up devils of fear & hatred, has a clue what Jesus of Nazareth went about, and what he went THROUGH, as he descended into this state in order to Minister to those who are otherwise condemned to the SADDEST of all possible fates ~ for the human.

Thus I would, and will, continue to CRINGE when I hear or see mention of the left-hand path. And while I quite realize that I will likely never meet anyone who is truly, genuinely dedicated to the path of which I speak ... I also know that even to make the association, is a deadly experiment, if not quite the same as tempting Fate. Go stand in rush-hour traffic, for the latter, and you will fare FAR, FAR, even INFINITELY better ~ than a Judas, who in modern times appears again - appropriately enough, as an Adolf Hitler.

If slow, painful, agonizing and inescapable disintegration, of all that you have understood as mind, body and even spirit ... is what you're after, that that's your path, that's your ticket. You will meet with no Holy Father, or Christ the Son, once you have recognized that within the ANTITHESIS of Her Spiritual Being, the Mother of ALL can be a Demon of WRATH. Verily, Christ would - and did - bleed for such as these, who would forsake their very Soul, each other, or even all the world ... simply because some REFUSE to be told {either what to do, or sometimes, THAT they can do}.

So much for brevity. If there's too much drama, then eschew that too. I'm leaning upon my proverbial staff here for a second ... because I would GLADLY share `what's true,' when it comes to this stuff. But yeah, I know, living in the world {and striving not to be OF it} can at times be rather rough.

I quite like AdvaitaZen's positive attitude, and effort to direct our attention to the Path OUT of Sangsara ... even if I'm pretty sure we're all working on:

WHO IS Ava-LokitA ~ Ishvara
 
I have never spoken against Spirit.

I speak against soul, mind, body, identifications and notions of separation.

It is not for any reason than to find Spirit, and then we find all exists already as That.
 
Speaking against is not a rejection, it is to show you have chosen a tiny fraction of your totality.

Any path which tries to work with only the fraction is doing a great injustice, yet you accept them because they confirm the delusion of being a part, they confirm what you think you are.

Those who know will always attempt to destroy your assumptions.

It is only your belief which doesn't let you see truth, it is belief alone which ego sits atop.
 
Nothing mind offers can be true, stay as that which sees it.
You arrived at this 'truth' only with mind. That shows that you can know the 'truth' only through mind and nothing else.
It is only your belief which doesn't let you see truth, it is belief alone which ego sits atop.
But Taijasi is a seer of truth (you are not the only one). :D
 
You arrived at this 'truth' only with mind. That shows that you can know the 'truth' only through mind and nothing else.But Taijasi is a seer of truth (you are not the only one). :D

Truth is there only when mind, when thinking ceases.

He has much information, but how can you know he has seen? You try to butter me up by saying I have too, but truth is ever the seer, it cannot be seen - all that is seen appears for it.

We take spiritual states as a revelation of truth, in reality they are as scripture, showing you something but still it is truth guiding itself into understanding itself. We can know they are not truth in themselves because they too come and go.

Find out for whom, yet understand whatever you point at isn't it, it is the pointer.
 
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