The kingdom of heaven is within you and all around you. Is this what you mean? I hope that your not saying there is no god but each individual is literally god. There is ONE god who is the source of all who exists and yes he does have female counterpart. We will never evolve into being totally one singularly. That is death not infinite life. All infinite life are very complex beings made up of three parts that makes it ONE being. Its a three fold consciousness and presents itself as two bodies of opposite gender. Look around you. By true nature do you mean beings that are love? Can you clarify yourself in a non philosophical language. I understand texts that do that but your an individual with your own beliefs and interpretations so I would like to know what you mean by what your saying.
Final Warning Given Unto Mankind, Tribulation Is Near and Soon Cometh.
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AdvaitaZen
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You see how the mind functions?
You want to correlate my words to some other concept.
When you say each individual isn't God, it is correct, because by individual you mean a body and mind. That is not what you are, it is not what anyone is, but it is what we think we are.
What is it that you think is you if God exists within you and all around you? Where is there something other than God which you call yourself? It is saying the inner and outer, the object and subject are God... please tell me what else there is.
This sense of being an individual partaking in the world is what I call ego.
It is an illusion, it is the result of false perceptions.
We say things like "I am hearing the song of a bird". No, hearing is happening, you neither caused it, nor can you stop it, you are playing no role at all in the hearing of the song.
In this way, we imagine a separate world, because we make ourselves other than it. In reality it is all one process, but the mind goes on thingifying the world, dividing it. Can you hear without something to listen to? Can you see without something to look at? How will you know? Both depend each other utterly, nothing is separate.
Look more closely at what is happening.
. Each of us is made up of a pattern of codes. All of those codes are contained in that source kinda like dna and your parents. I am not trying to tell you what to think I am asking you if that was the point your trying to make. To be perfectly honest I do not understand what point your trying to make. Are you talking about personal revelation of who we are? I know I am not just an individual. Everyone has consciousness and we are all taking part in the collective consciousness but also do retain our individuality. I have read some stuff years back on what your saying but your not fully explaining what YOU mean by it. What do you mean by illusion?
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AdvaitaZen
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Illusion means a wrong perception.
Drop your stupid concepts and just look at the words.
The body and this world are not a wrong perception. It is like the skin. It is an important part of your whole being. There are 4 parts: White Light Spirit, Multicolored Soul, Body and then Black Light Spirit. All are important and should be one.
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AdvaitaZen
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The "and" is the fallacy.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
If you ever get to Seattle, I invite you to visit the local Gurudwara!
I do here. Ever sense the first fatality of a Sikh (mistaken by some redneck for a Muslim... first killing after 9-11), I try to go as often as I can. But all the ladies just want me to eat. Thanks, if you are here, I will take you to ours and my Meeting.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
All they are are theories. Consciousness is filled with qualia and no matter how close "electromagnetic" or other scientistic, reductionist materialistic theories claim... the qualia remains.
My pain is my pain. You can sympathize or empathize. But if you experience it is your pain. That is the magic of qualia (see the work of Chalmers).
And "intelligent design"is merely one step from "creation science" which is just one step beyond Spenser Tracy's famous line:
"Can't you understand? That if you take a law like evolution and you make it a crime to teach it in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools? And tomorrow you may make it a crime to read about it. And soon you may ban books and newspapers. And then you may turn Catholic against Protestant, and Protestant against Protestant, and try to foist your own religion upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other. Because fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding. And soon, your Honor, with banners flying and with drums beating we'll be marching backward, BACKWARD, through the glorious ages of that Sixteenth Century when bigots burned the man who dared bring enlightenment and intelligence to the human mind!"
Its actually reverse. They banned or descided not to teach intelligent design in schools even though it is a scientific theory just like evolution is a theory. Intelligent design is the correct theory. Finding out about microscopic organisms ect can explain things but it doesnt get to the root of what truly happened and wont bring us any closer to actually evolving. You start with intelligent design and your find the source to help you correct and reason the other data collected to understand who we are and where we came from.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
No response to the "electromagnetic theory" I notice. It is not that it cannot be true, it is just that using the scientific method, the odds are quite close to zero (no serious neuroscientist backs it and there is no research on it because it is so extraordinarily unlikely).
As for intelligent design being "just a theory like evolution"... we do not use theory the same way. There is no proof for intelligent design (making sense or having a persuasive argument may be enough for high school debating, but not for science). Evolution has (easy ones... selectively bred cops and dogs and cats and goldfish). The vast majority of these are "random mutations" (like the "Munchkin"). There is not anything comparable on the other side. Again, could it be true? The odds are vanishingly small.
Not that I believe in a Universe with no Divinity. But the Big Bang (or infinite or cyclic universe) all have pretty mood math behind them; and most of the founders of these theories were real believers. Find one equation in an "intelligent design" text.
Because you want it taught does not it science or mean it should be taught. Do we have classes in heretic burning and using the Malleus Maleficarum? Do not think so. We need classes in logic and scientific methodology.
As for intelligent design being "just a theory like evolution"... we do not use theory the same way. There is no proof for intelligent design (making sense or having a persuasive argument may be enough for high school debating, but not for science). Evolution has (easy ones... selectively bred cops and dogs and cats and goldfish). The vast majority of these are "random mutations" (like the "Munchkin"). There is not anything comparable on the other side. Again, could it be true? The odds are vanishingly small.
Not that I believe in a Universe with no Divinity. But the Big Bang (or infinite or cyclic universe) all have pretty mood math behind them; and most of the founders of these theories were real believers. Find one equation in an "intelligent design" text.
Because you want it taught does not it science or mean it should be taught. Do we have classes in heretic burning and using the Malleus Maleficarum? Do not think so. We need classes in logic and scientific methodology.
Intelligent design doesnt hurt anyone. Its scientifically based on one concept. Something cannot be created from nothing. Since intelligence exists then it had to come from intelligence. This is a logical conclusion. The question is aside from god showing up in person, how does one mathematically prove intelligent design created the universe and all of us? I wish I had the resources to prove it myself. I do not have the education in mathematics and science but I hope those that do pursue this theory. I believe the big bang was really the big fall when things split into two. Everything became half of the whole. That all elements are either the male being the positive or the female being the negative energy. I have the intellect but not the education or the time to pursue this myself.
Here is one thing I do know: The Creator has codes which is a sequence of spirit properties and everyone's codes are encoded in the creator. Its similar to dna sequences. These codes(spirit) are unbreakable and unchangeable codes. To give you an example. Say a resurrection occurs where the body goes from the human condtion to a big giant spirit of compassion. The soul as I stated in another thread is multicolored light that is a pattern different for everyone, except your opposite who would have the same codes but opposite. Love would be the biggest self. Say the soul essence is compassion of the resurrected body. The soul would flash in a sequence of colors matching it in the body and activating the resurrection. Spirit is pure consciousness. Spirit is also involved as it is a pattern exactly like the soul codes. This does have to do with electromagnetic fields.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Yes it does, it is pseudo-science parading as science. All three scientific cosmology theories (infinite, cyclic, and big bang) are founded on creatio ex nihilio. There are things called "virtual particles" which just pop in and out of existence (and lots and lots of proof, your computer does not work without them.
You admit it is not provable (see Longino (March 1979). Philosophy of Science, Vol. 46. pp. 37–42.and it is obviously not falsifiable (see Karl R. Popper,"The Logic of Scientific Discovery" (1959) or read about his work). By the contemporary use of science in science and the philosophy of science, that makes "intelligent design" pseudo-science.
The best of logical arguments (even if formally sound and valid) like "Socrates was a man, all men are mortal, therefore Socrates was mortal" is not science. It can be (trivially true), but it says nothing about reality, which science does.
You admit it is not provable (see Longino (March 1979). Philosophy of Science, Vol. 46. pp. 37–42.and it is obviously not falsifiable (see Karl R. Popper,"The Logic of Scientific Discovery" (1959) or read about his work). By the contemporary use of science in science and the philosophy of science, that makes "intelligent design" pseudo-science.
The best of logical arguments (even if formally sound and valid) like "Socrates was a man, all men are mortal, therefore Socrates was mortal" is not science. It can be (trivially true), but it says nothing about reality, which science does.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Again, pseudo-science.... not provable, not falsifiable. Start a thread on the colors of the soul or something like that and we can discuss. It could be your experience, and it could be mythically or mystically true, just not scientifically.
I did start a thread on the soul. You must have missed it. When that resurrection occurred the body was showing compassion towards someone else so the electromagnetic fields matched in the body. Then we get into chakras which are union points. You know some religions do have science centers. Its not pseudo science. It can be proved. Since it occurred during an act of compassion wouldnt you think that measuring brain wave activity during times when say compassion is activated. They could show a person a show where they would have compassion for someone on the show and during those moments of feeling compassion measure the brain wave activity.
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OneTrueGod
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35Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. 39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 40And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? 41Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
22Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is thirsty of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He who testifies these things says, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
22Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is thirsty of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He who testifies these things says, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
A set of quote with no context or meaning added. Gees, can I just post random quotes from "Finnegan's Wake" and think they mean something?
Nick the Pilot
Well-Known Member
Clearly, OTG is not interested in discussing anything, just preaching. It's a shame, because his unwillingness to have a discussion actually ailenates him from the very people he should be having discussions with.
I do like your quote especially the part of no more death and hades.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
"End here. Us then. Finn, again! Take. Bussoftlhee, mememormee! Till thousandsthee. Lps. The keys to. Given! A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs" The Wake