Did he die for our sins?

That is not logic....Jews every day write against Judaism...

Or as soon as they write against Judaism do they cease to be Jews?
 
Cherry-picking? Sure, the Catholics have the Apocrypha.

Why did you throw out 36 of 40 Gospels, and whittle it down to only four?

Why not five? Or three? Or just one, or two? Were ten too many to ask people to read? Are the remaining 36 somehow tainted, or inaccurate? Do, pray tell, why only four, and how is it you suppose you know?

All of this interest in the Gospel of Thomas, yet if I am not mistaken, this is not canonical. Not canonical means you have NO business poking around in there if you are a Catholic. Doing so, you are not only cherry-picking, you are doing it outside of your own, much-professed and bragged-about religion. And I know who does that around here more than anyone when it comes to the Gospel of Thomas. Hmmm ...

Something is foul, very foul indeed. Rotten in Denmark - or maybe not so far off ...
 
Meanwhile, as a believer in the same Law of Rebirth taught by the Good Rabbi, I find no difficulty accepting that Jesus was Resurrected, later reincarnated as Apollonius of Tyana, perhaps as Ramanuja Acharya, as well as presently on the scene and moving forth into the world through an HQ in Lebanon, though often present in America and perhaps the UK.

Will he need to die again to redeem those who didn't quite get it right the first time around? Or was he already doing just that for the crowd who couldn't remember him in his earlier appearance as Joshua the High Priest ... or before that as Moses' and Aaron's right-hand man, Joshua Son of Nun.

How ironic that neither Christians, nor Jews today, seem to be able to recognize four out of five incarnations of their own Beloved Saviour. Even the Christ Himself is said - and believed by many - to have appeared in India as Sri Krishna, and even from those Hindus who may not believe this, I doubt you will find as much resistance or reluctance as from the Christians and Jews, who today can apparently see very little of the Christ within Jesus, the Jesus within Christ, or either of these wonderful Teachers within each other, within ourselves, within our world, or even beyond it.

I am ... almost - appalled. But I cannot claim total ignorance, or surprise. Rather, I simply maintain Hope, and remain as committed as ever to TOTAL Human Enlightenment, globally and inevitably speaking as well as individually, if incrementally, and - for some - only very gradually, and also quite reluctantly.
 
wil said:
That is not logic....Jews every day write against Judaism...

Or as soon as they write against Judaism do they cease to be Jews?
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Nah! One first deserts the club, then writes against it. Classic evidence we have with Paul. He had first to desert Judaism and once out and aware of his decision, founded Christianity and started writing against Judaism in order to promote his policy of Replacement Theology.
 
taijasi said:
Meanwhile, as a believer in the same Law of Rebirth taught by the Good Rabbi, I find no difficulty accepting that Jesus was Resurrected, later reincarnated as Apollonius of Tyana, perhaps as Ramanuja Acharya, as well as presently on the scene and moving forth into the world through an HQ in Lebanon, though often present in America and perhaps the UK.

Will he need to die again to redeem those who didn't quite get it right the first time around? Or was he already doing just that for the crowd who couldn't remember him in his earlier appearance as Joshua the High Priest ... or before that as Moses' and Aaron's right-hand man, Joshua Son of Nun.

How ironic that neither Christians, nor Jews today, seem to be able to recognize four out of five incarnations of their own Beloved Saviour. Even the Christ Himself is said - and believed by many - to have appeared in India as Sri Krishna, and even from those Hindus who may not believe this, I doubt you will find as much resistance or reluctance as from the Christians and Jews, who today can apparently see very little of the Christ within Jesus, the Jesus within Christ, or either of these wonderful Teachers within each other, within ourselves, within our world, or even beyond it.

I am ... almost - appalled. But I cannot claim total ignorance, or surprise. Rather, I simply maintain Hope, and remain as committed as ever to TOTAL Human Enlightenment, globally and inevitably speaking as well as individually, if incrementally, and - for some - only very gradually, and also quite reluctantly.
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That's something I find hard to understand. I am already having a hard time with Christians vandalizing Judaism with the things of Christianity and now, there come also the Hindus? There are so many cultures that adopt reincarnation, why not pick up one of their men to promote their doctrine after him? Why it has to be a Jew? Jesus was a Jew whose Faith was Judaism and, Judaism does not adopt the Hindu doctrine of reincarnation or the Christian one of resurrection.

The other day a Muslim was picking up a fight with a Christian to decide who was that prophet-like-unto Moses of Deuteronomy 18:16 whom the Lord chose to replace Moses if Muhammad or Jesus. Nobody even cared the prophet-like-unto Moses was right there with Moses to receive the orders and the scepter of Moses. Joshua there is. He was the one upon whom the election fell. So much so that History is the evidence. But they don't care and the fight keeps on.
 
Most Jews I know are perfectly happy to believe their beliefs and have no compulsion to convince others to join them....no compulsion to worry about Christian beliefs.

Israeli's do have issues with folks over territory and control of land and buildings.

But you are the first bitter jew I've met that is holding 2,000 year old grudge against Paul and Jesus...
 
Isn't he the second here? I strongly remember someone, a while back, not being able to write a post without "Replacement Theology" somewhere.
 
Shibbolet is the most ignorant person I think I have encountered - here or anywhere - in quite some time. One more post that spews the ignorance I have been ignoring - will quickly lead to [that person] going straight to IGNORE. Who has time to read a bunch of materialistic, smug, self-righteous hooey?
 
Shibolet said:
That's something I find hard to understand. I am already having a hard time with Christians vandalizing Judaism with the things of Christianity and now, there come also the Hindus? There are so many cultures that adopt reincarnation, why not pick up one of their men to promote their doctrine after him? Why it has to be a Jew? Jesus was a Jew whose Faith was Judaism and, Judaism does not adopt the Hindu doctrine of reincarnation or the Christian one of resurrection.
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The Good Rabbi [Jesus] taught Rebirth, and this is plainly obvious to anyone who knows him, his teaching, or who pursues their search ... NONE of which applies to you, Shibbolet. This is patently obvious from each and every one of your posts. You may be Jewish by ethnicity [itself a troubling concept], but you are CLEARLY not a Jew by religious belief. If that were the case, you would know the Teacher of Righteousness better than you do, and you would at least stop spouting the ignorant foolishness that you do. You have one more such post - in response to me or otherwise - before I just click ignore. I could bat around ideas here for another five decades, with perhaps ANYONE here, before I cared to read WORD ONE that you have to say along the ridiculous lines you have been pursuing. I may not have infinite patience, but I'm working on it, and I've seen almost NOTHING from you so far that is worth anyone here paying attention to. I may be more overt in saying this, but I'm not the first. And I probably won't be the last.

Shibbolet said:
The other day a Muslim was picking up a fight with a Christian to decide who was that prophet-like-unto Moses of Deuteronomy 18:16 whom the Lord chose to replace Moses if Muhammad or Jesus. Nobody even cared the prophet-like-unto Moses was right there with Moses to receive the orders and the scepter of Moses. Joshua there is. He was the one upon whom the election fell. So much so that History is the evidence. But they don't care and the fight keeps on.
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Joshua was present with Moses, yes. He was present again, as Zechariah testifies, and was High Priest. Again He came as the Teacher of Righteousness, and YOU knew him not. Nor do you know him today, or in any of his other incarnations during the past 2100 years. Not as Apollonius of Tyana, nor in his work with [overshadowing] Mohammed. But you persist in claiming nonsense, as a materialist, and with this foolishness about Judaism being the greatest religion - or God's only, or latest Revelation. What nonsense.

Not all Christians, or esotericists, believe as I do. So what? I'm not here to tell them they are wrong. Rather, I prefer to share what I know all of us will come to realize, in our own time and in our own way. Some of the people here have known that from day one. Others have considered it over the past decade or so. But you? I could sit down with you for a fortnight, and you would be as ignorant, as blind, as smug and self-righteous at the end as you were at the beginning.

You are clearly educated far, far beyond your own capacity. You are well-read, and that's the kindest thing I can say about you. You know nothing about Jesus, and you certainly do not KNOW the Man, or even the Spirit of the Faith. You do not know the spirit of your OWN Faith, and you have no ground to stand on if you attempt to correct others. Since I know your forthcoming reaction, I will simply say, it's not been at all a pleasure to read your posts, but it will be quite easy for me to click IGNORE, without a single regret.

If I were in your shoes, I might not care, smug as I would be ... yet eventually, when no one cares to read what I have to say, or hear me tell them they are full of shit, I would probably begin to get the message. How do I know this? What makes me ABLE to relate to you, Brother-who-Cain't?

ASK the people around here. They'll clue you in. But for all our similarities, there are some important differences. If I were you, I'd look into those. They will help you, in the long run. Oh wait. For you, there IS no long run. It ends tomorrow, or whenever you die. Thaaaat's right. Keep moving brother, keep moving. God only knows, it will be the end of things - when you stop. Eh Shibbolet?

Clueless. Utterly - CLUELESS.
 
wil said:
Most Jews I know are perfectly happy to believe their beliefs and have no compulsion to convince others to join them....no compulsion to worry about Christian beliefs.

Israeli's do have issues with folks over territory and control of land and buildings.

But you are the first bitter jew I've met that is holding 2,000 year old grudge against Paul and Jesus...
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I have never expressed any kind of grudge against Jesus. The opposite is rather true that I stand in the defense of his Faith which was Judaism against the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology and attempts to vandalize Judaism with the things of other religions.
 
taijasi said:
Shibbolet is the most ignorant person I think I have encountered - here or anywhere - in quite some time. One more post that spews the ignorance I have been ignoring - will quickly lead to [that person] going straight to IGNORE. Who has time to read a bunch of materialistic, smug, self-righteous hooey?
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Why, because you expected that all Jews should be like those of the Holocaust under the Nazis who were supposed to get down on their knees to be hit on their head? You remind me of the Pope who wondered why the Jews were flying F-16's when just yesterday they were being cremated in the ovens of Europe.
 
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. At least you play the part well.

Goodbye, shibbolet
 
taijasi said:
The Good Rabbi [Jesus] taught Rebirth, and this is plainly obvious to anyone who knows him, his teaching, or who pursues their search.
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The only kind of rebirth Jesus taught was spiritual rebirth with repentance and return to the obedience of God's Law. (Mat. 5:17-19)

Joshua was present with Moses, yes. He was present again, as Zechariah testifies, and was High Priest. Again He came as the Teacher of Righteousness, and YOU knew him not.
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Absolutely not. You are trying to dig contradictions in the Tanach which is clear enough that no one who has died can ever return but only in the dreams and visions of the prophets. (Numb. 12:6)

I could sit down with you for a fortnight, and you would be as ignorant, as blind, as smug and self-righteous at the end as you were at the beginning.
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Perhaps ignorant of Hinduism but not of Judaism. Are you frustrated that I cannot agree with your religious ideas?

You know nothing about Jesus, and you certainly do not KNOW the Man, or even the Spirit of the Faith.
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Try me. Are you trying to teach Judaism to the Jews? Try again.

What makes me ABLE to relate to you, Brother-who-Cain't?
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Any one can of those who do not pick on Jews to teach against their faith which is Judaism.

For you, there IS no long run. It ends tomorrow, or whenever you die. Thaaaat's right. Keep moving brother, keep moving. God only knows, it will be the end of things - when you stop. Eh Shibbolet?
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I am not alone on that one. We are all heading to the grave and it could happen at any time.
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Jesus was a Jew, but he taught a variation of judaism that was not appreciated by jews....

so followers of Christ are called Christians
 
wil said:
Jesus was a Jew, but he taught a variation of judaism that was not appreciated by jews....

so followers of Christ are called Christians
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Let us verify if what you say in the first statement above is true or not. Here is what Jesus himself said about the mission he came for: "I did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets aka Judaism. So far so good. Nothing at variance from the Jewish Faith. If you read the whole text of Matthew 5:17-19, he said that as long as heaven and earth exist not a letter of the Law, even the dot of a letter will pass away. Up to here, it can't become better. I lied because it did become better. He said that the commandment to observe the Law down to the letter would apply to all Jews no matter who, under the penalty of having no place in the Kingdom of Heaven. What could not have been appreciated by all Jews in this text? Wanna know some thing else? Even some of the Pharisees, the most rigid Sect of Judaism left their Sect to join the Sect of the Nazarenes organized by the Apostles of Jesus. (Acts 15:5)

Now, if you wanna hear more, I'll tell you who did not appreciate that kind of teaching Jesus taught. Paul, that is. Oh yes, he even contradicted Jesus by implying that he was either lying or did not know what he was talking about. He said that the Law had been abolished on the cross. (Ephesians 2:15) Furthermore, that the Law had ended in Christ. (Rom. 10:4) So, what was Jesus talking about!

Now, for the Christians as followers of Christ, only those from the synagogues of the Nazarenes whom Paul succeeded to overturn into Christian churches. (Acts 11:26)
 
Oh so now you wanna be a Christian?

Or you want the Jews to modify their thinking and make Jesus a pre-eminent Rabbi or prophet?

Your zealousness is admirable, but the extent you go makes a mockery of it.
 
wil said:
Oh so now you wanna be a Christian?

Or you want the Jews to modify their thinking and make Jesus a pre-eminent Rabbi or prophet?

Your zealousness is admirable, but the extent you go makes a mockery of it.
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Is that what you have understood from reading my post above? I am disappointed!
 
I believe Jesus was a great prophet and gave true teachings to the generation.
But, when I read the following verse of the holy bible, which says that Jesus did not want to die on the cross.
Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
Luke 22:44
And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.
Matthew 27:46
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
 
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