Is ISIS/Taliban/etc. Muslim...

BigJoeNobody said:
I personally do not think ISIS, etc. is as controlled as farhan states.
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I don't think Farhan is saying controlled by, but I would say Daesh is the product of a western 'figment' in that the idea was to fund an insurgency against those states that don't fall in line with American economic policy. Then, when the situation changes, the insurgents turn round and bite their founders in the arse.

The Muhajideen, for example, were funded and trained by the US and Brits against the Russians. The Taliban were – some say – were funded by Pakistan to control access routes in Afghanistan.

Whilst I don't think anyone controls Daesh, it was and for all I know continues to be funded by certain Arab states.

As is becoming increasingly obvious in their rhetoric, Daesh is not so much pro-Islam and anti-Western.
 
farhan said:
My point, calling them "Islamic terrorist" is just a gimmick, because calling them US stealth forces wont sell.
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We'll, it's not like the media just made something up for the sales record, they are terrorists and they call themselves Islamic so it's not really a leap. Of course things are always more complicated but there is only so much time a reader will spend on an article. Mass media is useless for deep reporting, everyone knows that.
 
Oh I'll gladly admit we have screwed up the world...back before the British mandate...back when we were colonizing and drawing imaginary country lines splitting groups and tribes as if we knew better... And that with what we've done to Iraq.... Heck we can't get our liberals and conservatives to agree on anything...thinking that well get Shiites, Sunni and Kurds to form a cooperative parliament?? Ludicrous...
 
We had an extended report on BBC news media concerning Kayla Mueller, the American aid worker killed in Syria.

Mueller was abducted in August 2013. She was held captive by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of Daesh. A Daesh press release claimed she was killed by drone strike. However, the account of three Yazidi girls who escaped Daesh tell a different story. They say she was held as a sex slave by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi because she was American. She was considered something as a trophy, until he killed her.

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From the account of the escapees, it's pretty clear that al-Baghdadi and his second-in-command are a long, long way from Islam.
 
Thomas said:
We had an extended report on BBC news media concerning Kayla Mueller, the American aid worker killed in Syria.

Mueller was abducted in August 2013. She was held captive by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of Daesh. A Daesh press release claimed she was killed by drone strike. However, the account of three Yazidi girls who escaped Daesh tell a different story. They say she was held as a sex slave by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi because she was American. She was considered something as a trophy, until he killed her.

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From the account of the escapees, it's pretty clear that al-Baghdadi and his second-in-command are a long, long way from Islam.
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product of cherry pickers, much like the "King and Princes" of Saudi.
 
wil said:
What does that mean?
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same as cherrypicking means with anything. they take pieces and go by it without referring to a whole Aya, or much less a Surah/Quran as a whole

Saudi king has more than 4 wives (iirc all were even married as virgins/not previously married)... yet no Islamic Scholar will say that is legal.
 
What I fail to understand is why the Arab world will not put their house in order. It is estimated there are 30,000 men that make IS. The neighboring countries, who say they hate IS, combined have an army of around 5 million. This problem could be resolved in about a month if these countries acted!
 
Regional powers (Saudi and Turkey) are interested in seeing Asad ousted, so do US and EU. So all of them are helping ISIS and killing them only when its mercenaries enter their own territory.

The situation is now evolving into a proxy war between US side (EU+Saudi+Turkey) vs Ruskie side (Asad+Iran), with Iran thinking about joining US side.

As I have always said, its never about Islam, just like American wars for freedom and democracy are never for freedom or democracy. Its about wells, mines, pipes, straits, regional domination, most probably a bit of zionism etc
 
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I think the correct answer to this question is some are, some aren't. We can't see into people's hearts to say if they truly believe what they are doing is right and required by Allah (swt). We know of Muslims who have gone to join Daesh (ISIS) and immediately regretted the decision when they find what is being asked of them. Some will remain and fight believing they are really fighting jihad. Others are there as mercenaries, nothing more.

The question is how many Muslims agree with their bizarre /extreme interpretation of Islam? Very, very few.
 
It makes me deeply sad that you haven't heard of the letter, as it's been around for a long time now. And considering how much press is given to groups like ISIS and how often Muslims are accused of not speaking out against such groups you would think the western media would shout it from the rooftops.
 
Muslimwoman said:
It makes me deeply sad that you haven't heard of the letter, as it's been around for a long time now. And considering how much press is given to groups like ISIS and how often Muslims are accused of not speaking out against such groups you would think the western media would shout it from the rooftops.
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sadly, tht isn't in the agenda of most media... That's why so many scream the argument that "Where is all the condemnation from the 'Moderate' Muslims"...
 
The other aspect of course is language. When moderate Muslims condemn anything they tend to do so in their own language (Arabic, Urdu, etc) and the idea that they should condemn in the English language in order for the western world to witness it, is simply asking all Muslims to apologise for terrorism. It's just arrogance.
 
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