A Thought Provoking Question...

You might pose queries back to the little buddha: Are anyone's thoughts fully independent? or What is the source of thought?
 
If each character in your dream is a representation of a portion of your psyche.,.isn't it expressing independent thought from the unconscious dream observer?
 
But what if each character is arguing its point.arguing amongst myself...if I am the observer of the dream..who isto sayweonly have one thought?
 
Nicholas Weeks said:
You might pose queries back to the little buddha: Are anyone's thoughts fully independent? or What is the source of thought?
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Ok, you asked for it. Here's his answer. Given while doing his math homework without looking up from the page.

"Well, dreams are basically what your subconscious does with all the stuff that gets in our heads during the day. Only, you know when you have a dream about something and then later it happens in real? Well, must be some of that stuff in our heads gets there from somewhere else. Coz, we only know about the stuff we can see. and the subconscious knows about stuff we can't see...... How many times does 6 go into 21?"
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Ok, you asked for it. Here's his answer. Given while doing his math homework without looking up from the page.

"Well, dreams are basically what your subconscious does with all the stuff that gets in our heads during the day. Only, you know when you have a dream about something and then later it happens in real? Well, must be some of that stuff in our heads gets there from somewhere else. Coz, we only know about the stuff we can see. and the subconscious knows about stuff we can't see...... How many times does 6 go into 21?"
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Sounds like a description of the theory that consciousness does not emerge from brain processes so much as the brain "receives" consciousness from "somewhere else." Earl
 
Which is one interesting question. From a deistic point of view, this question is a very important one.

If consciousness is activity of a chemical/electrical process of the physical brain, the chances are more likely consciousness does not survive the death of the body. (I know my theist friends will not agree with that statement). If, however, consciousness is something outside of the body that enters it at conception, then it simply returns to where ever consciousness resides when it is not in a physical form.

We are all vibrations at the foundation of what we call reality.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Which is one interesting question. From a deistic point of view, this question is a very important one.
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From a theistic point of view also.

Devils' Advocate said:
If consciousness is activity of a chemical/electrical process of the physical brain, the chances are more likely consciousness does not survive the death of the body. (I know my theist friends will not agree with that statement).
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I can agree with that. I would differentiate between consciousness as a process, and what one is conscious of, or rather to what end is that consciousness directed.

Devils' Advocate said:
If, however, consciousness is something outside of the body that enters it at conception, then it simply returns to where ever consciousness resides when it is not in a physical form.
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I think I would draw a distinction between soul/life and consciousness. One could go further and differentiate between the 'intellect' as a finite aspect of the individual faculty, and the Transcendent Intellect.

Devils' Advocate said:
We are all vibrations at the foundation of what we call reality.
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Indeed, and that 'reality' is the real as seen from a particular point of view. The Real-as-such transcends the forms.
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Are the people in our dreams capable of independent thought?​
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I think they are. They can think or act randomly in surprising ways. However, it is our subconscious that is allowing them to do so. It is a sort of challenge, all fun. That part of brain is resting and is not on duty at that time.
 
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BigJoeNobody said:
I guess I'm a little insensitive (maybe?), but I would only say no, dreams are a reflection of our experiences and thoughts. A message might be learned from them that God (given you believe in such) is sending you, but the images are immaterial.

Ok that may not be the best answer for a 11 year old.

Of course if you buy in to telepathy, you can say the images are of other people's thoughts.
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I for one would say that there are extenuating circumstances your explanation. Since I was a young child, and still, I have had visions. To some they are called premonitions. The figures within them have had a consciousness that mapped the way by as little as pointing to voice conversation. In the end, the end result was exactly as those within the visions had shown me. Unfortunate as it is that most of those end results were grim.
 
EdgyDolmen said:
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It appears to me that all religions arose to deal with death, weakness, dreams, and fear of the unknown. Religions are a powerful means for giving significance to life and giving a personal or cultural identity. This statement applies to children too.

God is only “known” through meditation, prayer or imagination and these experiences point to nothing outside a person’s mind. Again, including children.

Millions of people claim personally to “know” God through an inner spiritual experience. This “knowing” is, I believe, mysticism and can be explained psychologically. I've said on this forum before and say it again, we all know that many people, including healthy children, routinely hear voices, hallucinate and talk with their imaginary friends. We do not know that their god is different than our god! Amen?
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I am one of those who claim to know God. Let me explain.
I worked out the method of understanding telepathy, while defining telepathy as the universal means of communication. Telepathy is an automatic language translator, meaning that you are thinking it in your own language, say, French. I don't speak French but English, so I receive your telepathic thoughts in English. I am also defining dreams as telepathy in the sleeping state. Dreams/telepathy always come through in the first person, present tense and need to be interpreted.
Consider telepathy/dreams as a foreign language, and like learning a foreign language, telepathy too needs to be learned. You will be amazed, a whole new world opens up to you, and yes, you may even communicate with God that way.
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Here's a question posed by my 11 year old grandnephew. I started to answer him a number of times on this, but each time I opened my mouth to speak, my head started spinning and nothing came out. Here it is.

Are the people in our dreams capable of independent thought? ​
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It's amazing that he'd think of something like this. Unfortunately, no, people in our dreams are controlled by us. However, you could debate how much you are in control of your actions versus your instinctual memory. If it is the latter, you could argue that we do not control the people present in our dreams.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Not sure I am following you here. If it is our subconscious that is controlling the actions of people in our dreams, it really cannot be said to be independent thought (i.e. thought independent of our own brains).
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That is not what I said. The brain is off-duty. It is letting thoughts wander at will - (brain says) go anywhere, I am enjoying your frolics. That is why dream people can act independently of us. That depends on the various stages of sleep also.
 
Namaste Jesus said:
Here's a question posed by my 11 year old grandnephew. I started to answer him a number of times on this, but each time I opened my mouth to speak, my head started spinning and nothing came out. Here it is.

Are the people in our dreams capable of independent thought? ​
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Hello Namaste Jesus

As you know I hear voices 24/7 and there are many others that also hear voices all the time. I also hear them speak to me and are in my dreams, but I do not have normal dreams, mine are mostly astral projections or obes. I also believe that only 500 million people in this world have others inside of their higher minds capable of independent thought. So to answer this question, only a portion of people have people in their dreams capable of independent thought, the rest of the population only experience dreams and memories from their lives.

I would start my explanation with the higher mind and the parts of the soul as I have come to understand it. The problem is, the next question why are there voices or souls inside of my higher mind?

Powessy
 
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