Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?

[Vasu Devan]

Scientific observation has established that the universe is a space-time continuum.

The operational definition of time does not address what the fundamental nature of it is. It does not address why events can happen forward and backward in space, whereas events only happen in the forward progress of time. Investigations into the relationship between space and time led physicists to define the spacetime continuum. General relativity is the primary framework for understanding how spacetime works. Through advances in both theoretical and experimental investigations of spacetime, it has been shown that time can be distorted and dilated, particularly at the edges of black holes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

This simply says the nature of time is undefined. And it is certainly not a holy text in any case, as far as I know.

Almighty God has always "been" and always will be. i.e. He is Eternal.

Yes, this is plausible and very likely. The Infinite by nature has to be eternal.

He is completely independent of this physical creation which, by definition, is not eternal.

Once again I ask: How did you gain this information? I only ask because it seem to be purely by faith. And God told me, that the future is uncertain so that we are free to choose and that it doesn't matter what we choose because nothing can stop him being love for us. That does not invalidate your belief of course. Just possible that you talked to a different God.

In this grand space-reality, with an ever unknown future always looming before us, is it not better to do as we will and open the soul to all experience that comes to us? Instead of turning aside what hurts our emotions and telling our children that they are born as cursed sinners?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Once again I ask: How did you gain this information?

I don't really understand the question. If the universe was created, then it follows that it cannot be eternal .. it had a beginning.
..which in turn means that Almighty God is independent of His creation.

Just possible that you talked to a different God..

I haven't talked to any "god".

In this grand space-reality, with an ever unknown future always looming before us, is it not better to do as we will and open the soul to all experience that comes to us? Instead of turning aside what hurts our emotions and telling our children that they are born as cursed sinners?

I don't believe that we were born "cursed sinners".
We are all sinners, yes .. well, children and babies excluded, as we are not accountable for our actions unless we are sane adults.

 

[badger]

Would like to have been brighter? But you got what you got. True?
Stronger? You got what you got.
Faster? You got what you got.
Healthier? You got what you got.
Born richer? You got what you got.
Citizenship of a nicer country,? You got what you got.
Luckier? You got what you got.

Free will? Yeah...some, but tomorrow you could get poorly, so just enjoy a bit of free will now, is my suggestion.

 

[Vasu Devan]

I don't really understand the question. If the universe was created, then it follows that it cannot be eternal .. it had a beginning.
..which in turn means that Almighty God is independent of His creation.

This universe was created. How many universes have been created before? Perhaps all universes have expanded from Nothing, collapsed when they got too big(or god wanted a new form), and that expansion/collapse cycle has been going on eternally?

I haven't talked to any "god".

So...you have no holy text or deep convo for reference. Yet you just know the space-time nature of God?

 

[RJM]

Perhaps the dimension of nature, with its walls of time and space, is like a room contained and surrounded and permeated by a greater house of Spirit, that provides existence also to perhaps infinite other different dimensions?

My Father's house has many mansions ...

 

[RJM]

Perhaps the Universe is a living entity, of which we are a part. Perhaps the planet Earth is a living entity?

 

[muhammad_isa]

This universe was created. How many universes have been created before? Perhaps all universes have expanded from Nothing, collapsed when they got too big(or god wanted a new form), and that expansion/collapse cycle has been going on eternally?

Maybe .. it doesn't change anything.
Almighty God is not subject to time. Time as we know it [clock on the wall], is part of the creation.
This is scientific fact. Are you aware of theory of Relativity [Einstein] ?

So...you have no holy text or deep convo for reference..

I have actually .. Bible, Qur'an and science/maths books amongst others.

 

[RJM]

A single cell of a single blade of grass has hundreds of thousands -- perhaps millions -- of closely interworking parts, of unbelievable complexity and scaled up electrical energies of lightning bolts firing every microsecond ...

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

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[Vasu Devan]

Maybe .. it doesn't change anything.
Almighty God is not subject to time. Time as we know it [clock on the wall], is part of the creation.
This is scientific fact. Are you aware of theory of Relativity [Einstein] ?


I have actually .. Bible, Qur'an and science/maths books amongst others.

From my POV, the beauty of life is that we can believe anything we want. Nothing really matters, unless you want it to and then only to yourself. And that's a good thing.
Free to be what you can be. No one knows what they can be until they are. There can be any number of beliefs about what they will be, of course.
Life is good when they like what they are. Unfortunately, the way our brains are designed to never feel good for too long so there will be plenty of moments of darkness too. And when you accept the darkness as part of you and let it be instead of pushing it away automatically, you can accept all that you will be.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I realize many people like to believe they are in control of their future. But, to me at least, it seems much, if not all of life, is a gamble.

"Ma phaleshu kadachana" (the result of your actions is never in your hand) - BhagawadGita.

The operational definition of time does not address what the fundamental nature of it is. It does not address why events can happen forward and backward in space, whereas events only happen in the forward progress of time. Investigations into the relationship between space and time led physicists to define the spacetime continuum. General relativity is the primary framework for understanding how spacetime works. Through advances in both theoretical and experimental investigations of spacetime, it has been shown that time can be distorted and dilated, particularly at the edges of black holes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

How does that prove the existence of God?

 

[RJM]

The original sin contends that every human life begins under the curse of the Abrahamic god. Which is another lie used to guilt,

I think our original sin is that as natural creatures, we must take life in order to live; even the water we must drink contains other living things. We are born to kill from when we leave the womb

Ma phaleshu kadachana" (the result of your actions is never in your hand) - BhagawadGita.

But the last act is always my own?

 

[davidsheep88]

People the choosing right or wrong and have the freedom to choose it was something G-d gave and he gave it to Adam that is why he disobeyed if he could not he would of not of fallen. The reason freewill has and even I don't like saying the devil had freewill. So know that freedom of deciding even do the word freewill does not exist in hebrew language and have found the same question the truth is that freedom to choose and disobey G-d has existed before the bible and angels and man have it.



It does not the word or phrase freewill does not exist in the hebrew langauge it conception does not exist. But still to choose " לבחור" It is what closest word to freewill of choosing is.

 

[RJM]

My free will means that even angels may not interfere without my own invitation. They can watch and weep, and give advice -- but only by my own permission may they actually intervene to help me. And the help may not seem to be what I want -- the first action may be to start stripping me of excess attachments, both material and emotional, and I may perceive that as great loss, until I learn that it was dead weight that held me down?

 

[davidsheep88]

but free does not exit with it and it does not mean the same thing in modern times. Liberals, democracy, and tea party do not mean the same thing in old time hebrew and wouldn't mean that.

see that you have all the right to choose good or evil and everything is choices you make but like moses who should pray for the water but instead stroke it. Also Hulda who made mistake in prophecy or the kings of israel all have made mistakes and change the course of destiny but still God's plan adapts to thier errors not God for he dones not make errors. But still things willbe different if they didn't do those things but all works good at the end.

 

[davidsheep88]

The importance is to put things in God's hands even if it's hard to do the freewill put things in God hands no matter what. Even we say now in our modern times putting our hands is that we are happy and thankful for what happens and faithful. Did people back in the old put thier ahnds in God trusted him ?


Yes


Psalm 138:7
your gith hand saves me and that action required for us to put our hands in his ;D.


1 Peter 5:6


humble and he will life you with his hands


proverbs 29:25


Trust in the lord


Ecclesiastes 2:24


From his hand


Isaias 48:13


His hand have created all




the most important hand
Deuteronomy 7:8


His hand took Israel from Egypt.


Even it is not possibel for he all powerful to walk blindfolded and he holds your hands and guides you get to heaven sometimes we must take chances in life.

 

[davidsheep88]

People the question do we have freewill ? is it biblical ?


Their is no word in hebrew that is freewill you need to put 2 hebrews for that and the concept is that they have A decision and choice to do good or evil and God gave it. Question did the enemy had A choice becaus of his rebellion. I don't like the devil and do not want to say but he ahd A choice and he did bad and good. The nature of good and evil or conscience of existence the choice ? People just make things more simple just do good and put things in God's hands and he will make your choice over the path he gave the power to move it and do good not bad.

People the scripture uses the word "will"
בצוואה
and "free"
But to describe a person as free, as in not a slave, you’d say בֶּן/בַּת חוֹרִין (ben/baht hoh-REEN

Free and will do exist but to make in concept it is need the thing of freedom and good and evil the conscience to be able in hebrew in writting but they cuould not explain they did not have the experience of government,freedom of women, freedom of slavery, and concept of theology were needed but still the base is that choice by God to be with him in doing good or evil but consequence is death for evil or eternal life for good.


Their is gray area and that is Elijah's error, Moses Error, and Huldah as prophets that they made mistakes and change the destiny of the plan of God but God cover it with forgivness and let them learn from thier errors for A purpose and all purpose being good or evil will be in the end A happy ending in revelations. Put things in God hands and put love they God and nieghbor and he will do the rest ;D.

 

[muhammad_isa]

How does that prove the existence of God?

The subject is freewill ..
Feel free to create another thread entitled "proof of the existence of God".
I'm sure it won't be the first, or the last.

 

[RJM]

The importance is to put things in God's hands even if it's hard to do the freewill put things in God hands no matter what.

It may seem hard at first, but it gets easier every day, imo

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

I think our original sin is that as natural creatures, we must take life in order to live; even the water we must drink contains other living things. We are born to kill from when we leave the womb
But the last act is always my own?

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