Current suppression of Baha'is in Iran

Persecution of Baha'is

Persecution of Baháʼís occurs in various countries, especially in Iran, where the Baháʼí Faith originated and where one of the largest Baháʼí populations in the world is located. The origins of the persecution stem from a variety of Baháʼí teachings which are inconsistent with traditional Islamic beliefs, including the finality of Muhammad's prophethood, and the placement of Baháʼís outside the Islamic religion. Thus, Baháʼís are seen as apostates from Islam.

Baháʼí spokespeople, as well as the United Nations, Amnesty International, the European Union, the United States, and peer-reviewed academic literature have stated that the members of the Baháʼí community in Iran have been subjected to unwarranted arrests, false imprisonment, beatings, torture, unjustified executions, confiscation and destruction of property owned by Baháʼí individuals and the Baháʼí community, denial of employment, denial of government benefits, denial of civil rights and liberties, and denial of access to higher education. Baháʼís have also been significantly persecuted in Egypt.



Baha'is in Iran

... Baháʼís are considered apostates by the Shi'a clergy because of their claim to a valid religious revelation subsequent to that of Mohammed. The Baháʼí Faith is defined by the Government as a political "sect," historically linked to the Pahlavi regime and, hence, counterrevolutionary, even though one of the tenets of the Baháʼí Faith is non-involvement in partisan politics.

Baháʼís may not teach or practice their faith or maintain links with coreligionists abroad. The fact that the Baháʼí world headquarters (established by the founder of the Baháʼí Faith in the 19th century, in what was then Ottoman-controlled Palestine) is situated in what is now the state of Israel, allows the Iranian government to charge the Baháʼís with "espionage on behalf of Zionism," in particular when caught communicating with or sending monetary contributions to the Baháʼí headquarters.

Broad restrictions on Baháʼís appear to be aimed at destroying them as a community. Baháʼís repeatedly have been offered relief from mistreatment in exchange for recanting their faith. Baháʼí cemeteries, holy places, historical sites, administrative centers, and other assets were seized shortly after the 1979 revolution. None of the properties have been returned, and many have been destroyed.

Baháʼís are not allowed to bury and honor their dead in keeping with their religious tradition. They are permitted access only to areas of wasteland that the Government designates for their use, and are not allowed to mark the graves. Many historic Baháʼí gravesites have been desecrated or destroyed. In 2000 in the city of Abadeh, a Revolutionary Guard officer bulldozed a Baháʼí cemetery with 22 graves.

In what appeared to be a hopeful development, in 2002 the Government offered the Tehran community a piece of land for use as a cemetery. However, the land was in the desert, with no access to water, making it impossible to perform Baháʼí mourning rituals. In addition the Government stipulated that no markers be put on individual graves and that no mortuary facilities be built on the site, making it impossible to perform a proper burial.

Baháʼí group meetings and religious education, which often take place in private homes and offices, are curtailed severely. Public and private universities continue to deny admittance to Baháʼí students, a particularly demoralizing blow to a community that traditionally has placed a high value on education. Denial of access to higher education appears aimed at the eventual impoverishment of the Baháʼí community.

Baháʼís regularly are denied compensation for injury or criminal victimization. Government authorities claim that only Muslim plaintiffs are eligible for compensation in these circumstances.

In 1993, the UNSR reported the existence of a government policy directive regarding the Baháʼís. According to the directive, the Supreme Revolutionary Council instructed government agencies to block the progress and development of the Baháʼí community, expel Baháʼí students from universities, cut Baháʼí links with groups outside the country, restrict employment of Baháʼís, and deny Baháʼís "positions of influence," including in education. The Government claims that the directive is a forgery. However, it appears to be an accurate reflection of current government practice designed to eradicate slowly the Baháʼí community.

In September 2001, the Ministry of Justice issued a report that reiterated that government policy continued to aim at the eventual elimination of the Baháʼís as a community. It stated in part that Baháʼís would only be permitted to enroll in schools if they did not identify themselves as Baháʼís, and that Baháʼís preferably should be enrolled in schools that have a strong and imposing religious ideology. The report also stated that Baháʼís must be expelled from universities, either in the admission process or during the course of their studies, once it becomes known that they are Baháʼís.

While in recent years the Government has eased some restrictions, thereby enabling Baháʼís to obtain food-ration booklets and send their children to public elementary and secondary schools, the prohibition against the admission of Baháʼís to universities remains. Thousands of Baháʼís dismissed from government jobs in the early 1980s receive no unemployment benefits and have been required to repay the Government for salaries or pensions received from the first day of employment. Those unable to do so face prison sentences.

Iran has taken some positive steps in recognizing the rights of Baháʼís, as well as other religious minorities. In November 1999, President Khatami publicly stated that no one in the country should be persecuted because of their religious beliefs. He added that he would defend the civil rights of all citizens, regardless of their beliefs or religion. Subsequently, the Expediency Council approved the "Right of Citizenship" bill, affirming the social and political rights of all citizens and their equality before the law.

In February 2000, following approval of the bill, the head of the judiciary issued a circular letter to all registry offices throughout the country that provided for any couple to be registered as husband and wife without being required to state their religious affiliation. The measure effectively permits the registration of Baháʼí marriages in the country. Previously Baháʼí marriages were not recognized by the Government, leaving Baháʼí women open to charges of prostitution. Thus children of Baháʼí marriages were not recognized as legitimate and therefore denied inheritance rights.

According to a U.S. panel, attacks on Baháʼís in Iran have increased since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad became president as well as Sunni Muslims. On May 14, 2008, members of an informal body known as the Friends that oversaw the needs of the Baháʼí community in Iran were arrested and taken to Evin prison. Officers from the Ministry of Intelligence in Tehran searched and raided the homes of the six people in the early hours of May 14. The arrest of the six follow the detention of another Baháʼí leader in March, who was originally taken to answer questions relating to the burial of a Baháʼí in the Baháʼí cemetery in Mashad. They have not been charged, and are prisoners of conscience.

The Iran Human Rights Documentation Center has stated that they are concerned for the safety of the Baháʼís, and that the recent events are similar to the disappearance of 25 Baháʼí leaders in the early 1980s. The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom has stated that it fears that the "development signals a return to the darkest days of repression in Iran in the 1980s when Baha'is were routinely arrested, imprisoned, and executed."

Geneva, June 10, 2020, The Baháʼí International Community (BIC) issued a statement on the situation of Baháʼís in Iran, expressing concern over the "unprecedented number of new prison sentences, re-incarceration and a media campaign of hatred, are raising concerns of the long-persecuted religious minority in the country.," "re-incarceration," and "media disgusting campaign" against Baháʼís in Iran. According to the statement, the Iranian authorities have ramped up their persecution of the Baháʼís, targeting at least 71 individuals across the country in recent weeks. Reports of new threats to “uproot” the community in Shiraz.
 
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I am a naji. My next door neighbours are najis. Our JW friends are najis. Our little dachshunds are najis (definitely....skanky little beasts).
Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Saytanists, agnostics, atheists and Buddhists are........najis.
We are not Shia Muslims.

Islamic law[edit]
According to the Shafi'i school of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence, as systematised by Al-Nawawi in his book Minhadj, the following things are najis: wine and other spirituous drinks, dogs, swine, blood, excrements, and the milk of animals whose meat Muslims are not allowed to eat. Spirituous drinks are not impure according to the Hanafi school, while living swine and dogs are not impure according to the Malikis.[1] There is a difference of opinion as to whether alcoholic drinks are najis.[2]

To the list of impure things enumerated by al-Nawawi, Shi’a jurists traditionally add dead bodies and non-believers.[1][3]

According to Khamenei, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians are not najes. His view is slightly different from the traditional Shi'a view.
 
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have found that reason is not usually pursued in such conversations.
"Be reasonable, see it my way?"

However please accept my apology for overreaction on my part that may have caused personal hurt or offence. I have my bad days brother. Use of the report button is encouraged, regardless of who it's directed against
 
"Be reasonable, see it my way?"

However please accept my apology for overreaction on my part that may have caused personal hurt or offence. I have my bad days brother. Use of the report button is encouraged, regardless of who it's directed against

No it is not about "See it my way", it is about being just and fair-minded without a preconceived agenda.

The issues the Baha'i face in Iran has much history (that constitutes much of the evidence) that must be known.

If we choose not to consider that history, then we are making judgement without a lot of the evidence, the likelihood one has made an incorrect judgement, is plausible.

Regards Tony
 
Islamic states are not famous for religious tolerance. I'm sure few honest people condone the suppression of any peaceful minority? It does appear Baha'i in Iran are unjustly persecuted. Notice should be drawn to it, especially on platforms like this one ...
IMO
 
According to Khamenei, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians are not najes. His view is slightly different from the traditional Shi'a view.
Hello Ahanu...... I have noticed that Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians are mostly 'let be' in Iran. I don't hold out a lot of hope for how Sunni Muslims get on but I don't know, do you? Bahais can get on with their lives as well, but as you know meetings over a certain number of people are banned and Bahais do tend to bust laws like this..... I don't know how Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians and other groups cope with such laws. Mostly Bahais can get on with their lives, hundreds of thousands of them, but you know that if Bahai could it would grow, take over and govern, with it's own voting laws shunning all votes from any outsiders, reducing some freedoms rights for females, with it's own very heavy penalties for offences including the death penalty, stepping right down on lgbt rights and freedoms and more...... Iran wouldn't be much better off imo.

To ankle gate those ladies for their offences with a 500 yard perimeter is a pretty humane punishment, and the Iran Human Rights Group is as hot about LGBT freedoms as any others, but I doubt you'll see any Bahais supporting them..... Iran does not like Bahais getting around the educational laws, and nor does the UK.... our inspectors (Agents in Iran, eh?) are confronting schools in the UK which flout the standard lesson programmes for minors, which some religious schools try to do here.

I know this because I've seen some of it in England! A senior journalist for a big county newspaper (D.R.) was a strong Bahai and member of the Local Spiritual Assembly (the future Local House of Justice), and when the chairman and other members found out that David was Gay he was ousted from the assembly, discredited within the community, and his voting rights were gone. David had lived for Bahai and couldn't have realised how Bahai would impact upon a community.

Oh well........

I was sad to see this thread started, because up until now most if not all Bahai threads have just been about Bahai and it's feasts, and serious debaters about Bahai like self and Aup have let it alone, since this forum does not support debates, only discussions.
 
I was sad to see this thread started, because up until now most if not all Bahai threads have just been about Bahai and it's feasts, and serious debaters about Bahai like self and Aup have let it alone, since this forum does not support debates, only discussions.

Do you mean the Baha'i subforum, or I.O. as a whole?

What is the cause of your sadness, besides not having a debate?
 
To ankle gate those ladies for their offences with a 500 yard perimeter is a pretty humane punushment
But what had they really done to get a year in jail?
The nine were previously sentenced to one year in prison on a charge of "propaganda activity against the system through the promotion of Baha'iism."
That is a serious sentence
They don't look like desperados to me
 
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Hello Ahanu...... I have noticed that Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians are mostly 'let be' in Iran. I don't hold out a lot of hope for how Sunni Muslims get on but I don't know, do you? Bahais can get on with their lives as well, but as you know meetings over a certain number of people are banned and Bahais do tend to bust laws like this.....

Maybe I should invite my Baha'i friend who lives in Iran to come to this forum to give you an insider's perspective, eh?

Mostly Bahais can get on with their lives, hundreds of thousands of them, but you know that if Bahai could it would grow, take over and govern, with it's own voting laws shunning all votes from any outsiders, reducing some freedoms rights for females, with it's own very heavy penalties for offences including the death penalty, stepping right down on lgbt rights and freedoms and more...... Iran wouldn't be much better off imo.

You need to read more from Iranian critics and historians in my opinion.

As I previously said with @wil, the idea of a Baha'i "take over" is a false notion. Take over: "seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession." The process leading to a Baha'i State would have to be entirely democratic, not through any "take over" made from the top down, for the process of organizing in the Baha'i Faith itself rejects a top-down approach entirely since it "is evident that the growth of the Bahá’í communities to the size where a non-Bahá’í state would adopt the Faith as the State Religion, let alone to the point at which the State would accept the Law of God as its own law and the National House of Justice as its legislature, must be a supremely voluntary and democratic process." There you have it. The voice of the Universal House of Justice, an institution put in place by Baha'u'llah telling you what is what.

You say the Baha'i Faith reduces "some freedom rights for females," but I'd like to point out what critics in Iran say in response to your criticism. Khamenei says the Baha'i Faith gives females too much freedom.

"Look at the calendar of the Baha'is of two years ago or maybe three years ago; it is there recorded: The equality of the rights of men and women, [this] is the opinion of Abdu'l-Baha; the men [in charge in the government] are following him. The shah, utterly ignorant of this goes up there, and preaches the equality of the sexes. You have been injected with this idea so that they can accuse you of being a Baha'i, so that I pronounce you an infidel; and that you may be dethroned. Don't do this, you wretched one! Don't do this. Universal compulsory education . . . it is 'Abdu'l-Baha's view."​

Wonder what he was so afraid of? All you have to do is read what early critics associated the Babi and Baha'i Faith with:

Note this guy - one of the founders of political Islam in Iran - is associating the Babi-Baha'i movement with the Constitutional Revolution with his words "since the inception of parliament." He kinda indirectly made a bit of a point about the Baha'i Faith and modernization: while education for most people in Iran at the time only taught the Qur'an (which, according to @Aupmanyav is all Baha'u'llah knew), Baha'i schools implemented a modern education that taught science, math, and other subjects - which would eventually lead to a focus on material progress in "the building of factories, roads, railways and other projects." Many Baha'is, including Abdu'l-Baha, saw education as the key to progress. Unfortunately, many of these pioneering schools that rapidly became very popular were shut down. If you educate women, you teach one to fish instead of giving a fish.
 
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Good luck to you Bahais. Just avoid posting too much cut and paste material on forums. I have a waste bucket for Gods/Allah and his messengers, and it can take in all.
 
But what had they really done to get a year in jail?

That is a serious sentence
They don't look like desperados to me
No, RJM, those ladies looked fine, healthy, strong, very well dressed...certainly not distressed genocide-type victims. I don't much like the governments of countries like Iran, but Bahai law requires Bahais to obey the governments of the countries that they reside within, and these ladies have been convicted of busting laws. If you didn't know, early Bahais (Babis) were instructed to turn non-Bahais out of their homes, out of their cities, but you'll need to research all that for yourself.

In a Bahai governed country (if this ever would happen) no Muslim or Christian or other would have a vote, or be able to sit on any local or national house of Justice...... you don't know just how much of a threat to Islam Bahai is, I'm guessing.
 
Maybe I should invite my Baha'i friend who lives in Iran to come to this forum to give you an insider's perspective, eh?

Yes, get your friend to come here and tell their account.

I'm not entering in to any more conversation about Bahai, Ahanu. Not going there.
I've given an inside perspective about Bahai in the UK and what can happen to Bahais here, in a post on here. You didn't answer that I think?
 
Good luck to you Bahais. Just avoid posting too much cut and paste material on forums. I have a waste bucket for Gods/Allah and his messengers, and it can take in all.
Hello Aup...... I think we got too involved in answering Bahai stuff elsewhere....... I was thought by one Bahai to be a devil, and hiding behind my avatar.

Bahai cannot be answered in a discussion-forum.
 

Allahu Abha everyone and Hello Badger;

Honestly speaking, Badger, you don’t sound like a sincere person here. It is the first time I am taking part in this forum and of course the first time reading anything from you, and yet what I read feels too painful for my soul and too gross to my spirit! (Sorry if I am already too frank!)

But, what do you know about the life of Baha’is in Iran that you let yourself judge them and their penalties so easily? Have you lived in Iran as a Baha’i? I guess not –unless you are a secret agent or something, which I hope is not the case- but let me tell you AS A BAHA’I WHO HAS LIVED IN IRAN, all that you have said is absolute primitive, Stone Age nonsense.

So, without further ado, let’s get to your views shared here:

“Can you tell us what the three ladies were convicted of?”

Ok. It does not seem to me like you are really waiting for an answer there, but I’ll give the answer to that question. Those Baha’is were arrested with the accusation of “attempts against the government” and “spying for Israel”. Now, on the surface, that sounds like a wonderful reason to arrest them for, but the fact is, they are not the people the government tries to show they are. I am in close relationship with some of them, so you can take my words at least as someone who is a close witness to all this. Baha’is houses become the target of the government’s agents every once in a while for stupid unreal reasons.

Like if Baha’is has their 19-day-feasts they may be “called for” to answer some questions regarding the nature of the feast etc. now, you may ask why some of them have these feasts and they are not called for? The thing, first of all, is that I assure you that there are no Baha’I families in Iran who has not been questioned at least once in their life. Secondly, some Baha’is try to participate in social interactions and do things for the country; things even as simple as planning to put trashcans in those parts of the city which there are no trashcans. And then, when they do it, they are accused of “spying undercover”. How stupid is that?

To reduce a one year prison sentence to ankle gating up to a few hundred meters from home is hardly a vicious sentence.
That happens here in the UK.

In the UK, the same penalty may be applied but under which conditions and for what kind of people? Some of the people who are ankle gated recently are among my friends. Some of them are men, who have to WORK to feed their family, and now with the 500 mts restriction, some of them have chosen their office as the center which means for a whole one year or so, they cannot get out of their office. Also for a mother to be ankle gated, that means she cannot even go to the market to buy bread or milk. And please enlighten me –cause you seem to be a know it all- for what reason do they have to be punished; for being the agents of Israel? (Cause all accusations lead to this one point). But believe me, if they were spies, the government would show the evidence of it one hundred times every day in national TV channels or the radio. You are free to believe what the government tells you, but you ar not free to judge, cause you have never lived in Iran as a Baha’i. we are not living in stone ages. This is the age when people are asking for equity and kindness. How comes you are mentioning LGBT rights, and again you so easily ignore the rights of a minority in Iran, distorting the facts by your baseless ideas.

You mention that some Bahá'ís have built homes without planning permission….

Without permission? First of all, that is not the case. Second of all, if someone’s house is destroyed because they have not had the permission to build a house there, then they won’t bulldoze the place with cruelty while people are still inside, and they WON’T write on the destroyed walls “death to Baha’is”. Where in the laws do we have such permission? We are talking about LAWS here, but what has happened to the poor Baha’I villagers recently, cannot be contained in any laws anywhere. I saw the video a day after it had happened. The woman who used to live in one of those houses, was sitting on the pile of dust outside the house, crying, cryiiiinnnggggg, and her little son, a few meters away for just silent, looking at the pile of dust, with eyes full of tears.

Where on earth do we have the permission to do that to a human being? Do NOT tell me that they had built their house without permission. Villages of Iran are not like mega cities in japan or UK or the US. They are just small villages where the villagers can build their houses, with a few bricks etc without the need for any specific authorization. Now, this village is not the only case. There’s another village in North of Iran where all the citizens are Baha’is; very small village. They have lands there and cattle and stuff LAWFULLY. Still, the same thing has happened to them.

To add to that, FYI, the father of my friend some 40 years ago moved to an “already built” house INSIDE THE CITY; he bought that house for himself and his family to live in. then, more than 5 times, the people of that region, getting to know that the new owner was a Baha’I, ACTUALLY destroyed the house overnight. Can you imagine that? And they would then write on the walls “death to Baha’is” and “death to Israel agents”, until finally the guy decide to sleep on the roof of the house at night with his family in order to prevent the house from getting destroyed again. Where in your dictionary of human right can you put these kinds of actions?

I've heard that Jews living in Iran are allowed to live in peace as long as they keep to their religion quietly…..

I actually have allergy to hearing/reading people saying “I have heard blah blah blah”. Why do you put so much value on what you have HEARD? What is the source of your information, please? Yes, of course Jews, Christians and Zaraotrians have much more freedom than Baha’is cause you know, they are not being accused of being spies. But, just because they are allowed to go on with their belief as long as they do not try to change others does not mean that the same law applies to Baha’is. Please just do not speak words which you have only heard.

There are other things which you have claimed which I find to be so funny and crazy that I do not even want to spend time answering. You may of course ask your questions if you are sincere, otherwise, why argue?

………………………..

Final story:

I taught English to a Baha’I girl since she was 12. She was/is extremely talented and nice. She loved/loves to become an astronaut or at least to study astronomy at university. Nevertheless, from day one, when she started to go to school, she knew that as long as she is in Iran she is not allowed to go to university. Now, a month ago, she finished highschool. All her classmates took the exam for university entrance and yet, there she was, unable to even try the possibility of it. I saw her and she told me –trying to keep a cool smile on her face- “I always knew, since I was 7 that I would not be able to go to university. So, I always thought of my studies as the most useless thing in my life. I thought I was strong not to be hurt, but now I am really hurt; it hurts….”

Where on earth do they not let children go to school and university because of their beliefs? Yes, of course until some 100 years ago black people in the US –and some other parts of the world- were not allowed to take part in universities, but we are now long passed those years. You tell me that this is natural that the government does not want its educational curriculum to be changed? That is fine, but the kids who want to study in the university are not going to change the curriculum! Please THINK!
 
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No, RJM, those ladies looked fine, healthy, strong, very well dressed...certainly not distressed genocide-type victims. I don't much like the governments of countries like Iran, but Bahai law requires Bahais to obey the governments of the countries that they reside within, and these ladies have been convicted of busting laws. If you didn't know, early Bahais (Babis) were instructed to turn non-Bahais out of their homes, out of their cities, but you'll need to research all that for yourself.

In a Bahai governed country (if this ever would happen) no Muslim or Christian or other would have a vote, or be able to sit on any local or national house of Justice...... you don't know just how much of a threat to Islam Bahai is, I'm guessing.

Those ladies looked healthy and strong, TRUE, because we do not let calamities break us. but are you within their families? have you ever been with one family to know the kind of pain this behavior has caused them? Of course we do look healthy even when in prison. Mona, the 15 year old girl who was persecuted some 30-something years ago looked healthy and happy even on the day she was going to be hanged. she asked her parents to smile, and she said she is happy because she is has not done anything wrong. she died with clear soul and a clear soul makes one fearless and happy.

Furthermore, what kind of obedience do Baha'is have to follow so as to be considered "good citizens"??? you cannot just say words without evidence, because I - as someone living the conditions- know exactly what is going on here. baha'is cannot work in governmental positions; being it a teacher or an engineer or whatever in a governemtnal office, and once they get along having their own stablished jobs, the government comes in and accuses them of spying undercover.

Regarding the misunderstanding of the Bab's laws you are spreading here, you are difinitely wrong. you have not understood one word of what the Bab has said. but so what? even if that was right -which is not the case-

Muslims (specially Shia muslism) have always awaited a bloodthirsty Qaim to come. go read Hadith if you have not. they say when Qaim comes, he will shed so much blood as to create rivers of blood running in every street, and that is how He is supposed to redeem the world! so if Muslims expected that, what's wrong if it is what is exactly happened? (I should again emphasize that you have not understood one word of the Bab) and also, no one should judge a religion according to the religion before it. I mean what the hell! do we judge Islam through harsh laws in Christianity? Do we judge Christianity through harsh laws in Judism?

And for your information, even if one day Baha'is govern the world, all people from all backgrounds MUST freely go on with their lives as they wish to. There are no coercions and penalties for that . Please stop spreading lies on purpose or just blindly!
 
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Good luck to you Bahais. Just avoid posting too much cut and paste material on forums. I have a waste bucket for Gods/Allah and his messengers, and it can take in all.


So, just because you have a bucket for God, no one should post about Him? Think of it as we wishing you to use your bucket, so we are just helping you with that :D
 
those ladies looked fine, healthy, strong, very well dressed...certainly not distressed genocide-type victims.

This is a cognitive error, I think. Victims of genocide can come from all social strata.

Many victims in Rwanda and Burundi were well-educated, teachers, professionals. Dito for the Shoah which erupted in my country: victims from all classes, including wealthy entrepreneurs, lawyers, academics, professionals, medical doctors...

Just pointing that out. Please carry on.
 
Welcome to the forums @mrym :)

Before going on, please have a look at the Code of Conduct, with special reference to item 2
https://www.interfaith.org/community/threads/7047/

You could also choose to post a short introduction about yourself in the intro forum
https://www.interfaith.org/community/forums/introductions/

Hello RJM and thanks for the time and effort you put on handling the stuff here on the forum. I read the rules, and I hope to follow them as best as I can. :)
 
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Welcome to the forums @mrym :)

Before going on, please have a look at the Code of Conduct, with special reference to item 2
https://www.interfaith.org/community/threads/7047/

You could also choose to post a short introduction about yourself in the intro forum
https://www.interfaith.org/community/forums/introductions/


And I have a question. sorry if this is not the right place to ask, but since I am new, I don't actually know where to put the questions.

Since we are engaging in conversations in a friendly manner, respectful of each others' points of view, to what extent is it allowed here to share real untrue stuff here and sugar coat them with a layer of truth? and what are the standards to determin if someone is spreading too much wrong information about ANY religious/non religious view?

These are sincere questions. I do believe that as much as it is our responsibility to be good towards one aother as humans, we are also responsible for the words that we spread.
 
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