Current suppression of Baha'is in Iran
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Can you give us details, please?
Could you tell us about any Bahais executed during August, last month.
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Sure. I'll give two real-life examples:
My friend, a 35-year-old girl, started working as the sale manager in a medical office. Since she is/was asked by the government that wherever she works she must not tell anyone but her boss about her religion, she did the same and when she was going to get hired and the boss asked her religious belief (which is the case most of the times here) she said she is a Baha'i. The boss said that is fine and she started working. Her job was to go to different medical conferences in different cities and introduce the company's eye contact lenses. She worked hard with honesty, so every day the boss would give her more important responsibilities. She was happy there and the boss said he never had such a trustworthy hardworking saling manager. Then, when she was about to really flourish there, the government agents contacted the boss and said "you cannot keep that BH girl there anymore. Tell her that her job is over" and the boss, afraid of his own position and station, did the same. The girl who was then living on her own in a big city suddenly became jobless and broken. When I saw her, she was depressed and frustrated. She said she doesn't know how to keep on.
Second story is about my friend's father. He is a very good repairman who also has many more talents. Guess why he has so many talents.... because they would ask him to quite his job everytime he started to make money and thus he needed to learn a new skill all the time. The last time, he worked in a small non governmental factory that produced small iron material. One day, a government agent calls his boss and tells him exactly what they had told the boss in the previous story. The boss tells the man that he needs to leave and apologizes and says he wished he could do something about it. The man, a father of 3, became jobless. One day I went to their house; very small and shabby in a bad part of the city and as I was talking to his wife, she started to cry and said she doesn't know how they can keep some food on the table for the kids or pay the tuition of their schools. She said "years ago when my sisters were going to live in America, they said I should go with them. But I told them that Iran needs the help of people to work hard and make it a good happy place. So I didn't leave. But now, I regret that decision 30 years ago. Iran doesn't want us and doesn't even let us work." .... her husband was/is a funny and optimistic guy, so he would always laugh and say "no one should cry. I'll find a way".
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There are still many more examples even related to this very last arrests in Iran; how it has damaged little kids and destroyed lives. But if you really want to see the truth, naked as it is, the two examples I provided are enough.
Sure. I'll give two real-life examples:
My friend, a 35-year-old girl, started working as the sale manager in a medical office. Since she is/was asked by the government that wherever she works she must not tell anyone but her boss about her religion, she did the same and when she was going to get hired and the boss asked her religious belief (which is the case most of the times here) she said she is a Baha'i. The boss said that is fine and she started working. Her job was to go to different medical conferences in different cities and introduce the company's eye contact lenses. She worked hard with honesty, so every day the boss would give her more important responsibilities. She was happy there and the boss said he never had such a trustworthy hardworking saling manager. Then, when she was about to really flourish there, the government agents contacted the boss and said "you cannot keep that BH girl there anymore. Tell her that her job is over" and the boss, afraid of his own position and station, did the same. The girl who was then living on her own in a big city suddenly became jobless and broken. When I saw her, she was depressed and frustrated. She said she doesn't know how to keep on.
Second story is about my friend's father. He is a very good repairman who also has many more talents. Guess why he has so many talents.... because they would ask him to quite his job everytime he started to make money and thus he needed to learn a new skill all the time. The last time, he worked in a small non governmental factory that produced small iron material. One day, a government agent calls his boss and tells him exactly what they had told the boss in the previous story. The boss tells the man that he needs to leave and apologizes and says he wished he could do something about it. The man, a father of 3, became jobless. One day I went to their house; very small and shabby in a bad part of the city and as I was talking to his wife, she started to cry and said she doesn't know how they can keep some food on the table for the kids or pay the tuition of their schools. She said "years ago when my sisters were going to live in America, they said I should go with them. But I told them that Iran needs the help of people to work hard and make it a good happy place. So I didn't leave. But now, I regret that decision 30 years ago. Iran doesn't want us and doesn't even let us work." .... her husband was/is a funny and optimistic guy, so he would always laugh and say "no one should cry. I'll find a way".
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There are still many more examples even related to this very last arrests in Iran; how it has damaged little kids and destroyed lives. But if you really want to see the truth, naked as it is, the two examples I provided are enough.
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I think he is asking for examples of physical executions - like hanging or beheading.
The examples you have provided are a type of inner execution, because people can no longer support themselves financially or have difficulty doing so. I am reminded of non-Baha'is like Mohamed Bouazizi that have suffered a somewhat similar fate.
Oh, ok. In that case I'd say that kind of penalty (hanging etc) would be executed in Iran at the early years after the Islamic revolution. Many Baha'is were hanged, killed, or stolen never to be found.
These days, with all the international eyes on Iran for the matters of human rights, they cannot hang or steal people so easily. But they threaten them and do all kinds of mental torture, also imprisonment in dark small cells alone for months.
Yet, the penalty for "Muslim men" who become a Baha'i is still death (less harsh treatment if one becomes a Christian for example) and for women it is life-long imprisonment. Thus most people who change their religious belief soon escape the country for their lives.
There are still some countries like Yemen where Baha'is are being hanged. And that anti Baha'i movement there is supported by....guess where!
Yes
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And there it is! That's typical of Bahai, mrym.
You told me that my Baha'i friends are being executed without a sin everyday and so I ask you to tell us about these victims, tell the members of Interfaith about this............ and then in answer you tell us about 'a friend' who was given a brilliant job and got it taken away from her. And another story about 'my friend's father' who had a good job and lost it.
This becomes my Baha'i friends are being executed without a sin everyday yep........ that's Bahai, and anybody who questions the sincerity and honesty of Bahais in such discussions soon becomes 'bad'.
I don't think you know that you're doing it...... I've heard stories like this for 50 years, mrym, and if you want to be heard then you need to tell the truth about it. Please do not do this to me any more.
As for your Bahai friend who gained a job as a sales manager, or your friend's dad who had a good job, yes, Bahais in Iran are mostly middle class people with good jobs, but if they start selling Bahai in an Islamic theocracy they will lose out, which is what probably happened.
No more untruths from you, please...not to me, anyway.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
We have a story here when a Maulwi quipped on a Jat (Agriculturist caste) going with a cot on his head.
'Jat, Re Jat, teresir par khat' (O Jat, a cot on your head.)
The Jat replied "Mulla, Re Mulla, tere sir par pat." (Pat is the upper stone of a grinding mill)
Maulwi complained that Jat's verse did not rhyme.
Jat said, "Let it not rhyme, but you will be crushed by its weight."
Bahais have been answered and questioned in various forums and are lacking in their answers. But since it is their personal view, nothing much can be done about it. It is their right. Though Bahais do not have any evidence of existence of God and for Bahaollah being his messenger.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Post, gladly, but also provide evidence, at least a sliver of it. What does not have evidence will ultimately go into the waste basket.So, just because you have a bucket for God, no one should post about Him? Think of it as we wishing you to use your bucket, so we are just helping you with that
"Satyam eva jayate, na anritam" (Sanskrit, "Truth alone wins, not untruth")
"Jhoot ke sau panv nahin hote" (Hindi proverb, "A lie does not have hundred feet." If a leg is broken, the lie is grounded)
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Why do you ask me? Am I an authority on Bahais? I googled and found the spelling to be correct.I
BOOOOOOOOOO.....I wasted my time and made my fingers tired for no good reasons Some people here, quite positively, think that you are just misinformed. I do not agree with them, and I am done with you. good luck .
BOOOOOOOOOO.....I wasted my time and made my fingers tired for no good reasons
Some people here, quite positively, think that you are just misinformed. I do not agree with them, and I am done with you. good luck .I guess there are still people in the world who would say "We know Hitler had some flaws but Jews should have not broken his laws" and when we give evidence of the Holocaust, they ask us to bring evidence and we say "yes, they killed my friend's father and my own friend in a gas room" and then they answer: "ahh..these stories I have been hearing some some years now. these are not evidence. though...I am sorry for your friend. she should have not broken Hitler's laws!" ...... that is how injustice is.
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BOOOOOOOOOO.....I wasted my time and made my fingers tired for no good reasons
You let yourself down.
I always watch people closely who call others insincere and tellers of untruths......... and guess what? Yep.
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You wise old ...... well, in England you would be a wise old crow!
Crows are so canny, Aup, you should see how they collect shellfish and then fly over the concrete seawall to drop and break them, but silly old seagulls seeing this, they collect stones and drop them back on the beach, and then wonder how come they didn't get a breakfast as well. Aup, I would acknowledge any Bahai, and know something of their religion (as do you!) but they need to make their religion straight, and their claims against outsiders as well.
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'Cos you know stuff.....
Yep....
You see? Now why didn't I think of that?
My lesson for today........... always ask the google monster.
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The Holocaust was a disgusting, dreadful, International murder of over 12 million folks.
But for some reason you forgot to mention The Gays, The Masons, The Gypsies, The Blacks, The Ukrainians, the Jehovahs Witnesses, Other Eastern Europeans, as well as 6 million Jews.
But to overpaint the Holocaust as a background for Bahais in Iran, as if it has suffered like those victims.......... is insincere, not truthful, imo.
