New Messiahs

DaoYin said:
Most Hindu's are pretty adamant about Atman, and you're changing the meaning of Anatta to make it match.

There is no absolute in (Theravada) Buddhism, it is rejected entirely... nothing has any independent nature, not even any Brahman.

It is misleading to suggest they aren't different because the differences have cost many lives.

This seems disingenuous on your part, are you purposely misleading or just don't know any better?

Things get a little murkier when you touch Tantric aspects of each tradition, now there is more an argument for their similarity... but that is heterodox to both.
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Yeah, ignorant people needing crutches. my 'anatta' is the same as that of Buddhism.
Well, I differ from Buddha on Brahman. Most probably it is not necessary for Brahman to exist all the time (that is something that we cannot visualize today, just like we were not able to visualize relativity and Quantum mechanics at one time, even Einstein erred). Probably it flits easily between existence and non-existence.
It is the reality. Even the non-living are none other than a blob of atoms, points of energy. Should I deny truth because the truth is not palatable to many people?
I know it perfectly well. I am an enlightened person (Buddha helped). I am a 'paccekabuddha'.
Advaita Hinduism does not have any 'tantric' ingredient.
 
RJM said:
Er zijn de laatste tijd veel discussies geweest over boodschappers die beweren God in menselijke vorm te zijn.

Het internet en YouTube staan vol met mensen die ofwel oprecht geloven dat zij de huidige menselijke incarnatie van God zijn, ofwel denken dat het tellen van geld een goede oplichterij is. (Materiaal op aanvraag beschikbaar)

Heeft iemand ideeën over nieuwe Messiassen?
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I see not many people claim to be God. Only one from Russia. He goes really far I think to mess with people's mind. 🤔 I like to receive the materials.
 
DaoYin said:
If you look deeper you will find the same issues in Daoism, I do not accept the common expressions.

The Dao De Jing in particular probably gets closer to what you actually believe than either Buddhism or Hinduism, you just haven't read it yet.

No one with any insight approaches this text and doesn't fall in love.

It will take you 30 mins to go through it, the only problem is that Lao Tzu makes anything you might say look foolish.
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Intriguing.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Dat is wat de oudste upanishad (Brihadaranyaka Upanishad - 8-600 v.Chr.) zei: " Prajnanam Brahma " (Bewustzijn is bestaan). Ik ben het daar niet helemaal mee eens. Het bewustzijn van energie is niet zoals het menselijke bewustzijn, het is van een andere soort.

Dat is wat de tweede oudste Upanishad (Chandogya Upanishad - 600 BCE) zei: " Tat twam asi " (Dat is wat je bent). Ik geloof daar volledig in.

"yathā somya ekena mṛtpiṇḍena sarvaṃ mṛnmayaṃ vijñātaṃ syād vācārambhaṇaṃ vikāro nāmadheyaṃ mṛttiketyeva satyam."
Chandogya Upanishad, 6.1.4
(O jonge onderzoeker, het is zo: door één enkele klomp aarde te kennen, ken je alle objecten die van aarde gemaakt zijn. Op dezelfde manier zijn alle veranderingen in naam slechts vervormingen in de manier van benoemen. Maar alleen aarde is de realiteit.)
* De vertaling is lichtjes aangepast om het precies in lijn te brengen met de betekenis van het oorspronkelijke vers.

Chandogya Upanishad, Verse 6.1.4 (English and Sanskrit)

Verse 4: O Somya, it is like this: By knowing a single lump of earth you know all objects made of earth. All changes are mere words, in name only. But...
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Wat betreft God en Ziel, of hemel, hel, oordeel, laatste dag, verlossing, eeuwig leven, hebben we geen bewijs. Een kat heeft zeker zijn mening over mensen of eten.
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Sounds familiar. But I am not sure. You are dust and become dust again. So what is dust. Something like an empty shell?
 
Thomas said:
Agreed, but consciousness is qualitative, according to the nature of the being.

When we talk about 'consciousness' we generally speak in anthropomorphic terms, whereas with regard to God, that which transcends all categories, we must conceive of that which transcends consciousness.

What is divine consciousness like? The commentaries talk of a supreme Unknowing.

Whether the Divine Will is an extension of Divine Consciousness, or Divine Is-ness, and by the same token the Divine 'energies' that the ancients speak of are not 'energies' in any material sense.

as I say, it depends upon one's paradigms.
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So energy is dust the fuel ⛽ that we eat and belief. This could mean , we are fooled by what we wish to see about our own self image. What can be proof we use the lower part of our mind and awareness to what we choose as our food we choose to eat for what we want to be. And even more interesting , what would be good to be and is that possible for it might not exist , that it does not matter and find out we are not loved but out of loneliness we start to fantasies we are loved what could be the real meaning when we are called to be bit arrogant about our selves and even more means, or could mean , it is time to deal with the possible fact we are not loved but hated. Oh Lord forgive my sin. I pray anyway. Just in case. Because we sinned and we are sinners against god's law. Perhaps it is time to look at life. Not at dust that we eat.
 
Aupmanyav said:
My creators were my father and mother, sometime in the spring of the year 1942. No third entity involved.
No God, no messenger, There were sages who said wise things. One was raised by a poor Muslim couple, weavers, Niru and Nima - Kabir.

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Because of your lovely parents I must brief in God. May God bless your heart and soul and offer you a good and healthy life.
 
Aupmanyav said:
What self? There is no self. What you take as self is an illusion - maya.
Oh, yes. Many Hindus will not go by that. The teachers wanted to oppose Sankara, and came out with different philosophies.
But that is OK. There is no ban on that in Hinduism. Your belief, your concern, not mine.
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We need the self to be selfish. Selfish we need to be to survive. It is even better then a no existence. Because selfish people suffer the must and experience the most what hardence them to become more strong out of the field then they were before. We respect therefor any form of life.
 
Aupmanyav said:
There is no higher or lower realm, when the universe itself is 'anatta' and 'anicca'. It is 'skandhas' only.
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If I understand correctly, annatta refers to there being no permanent soul, annicca refers to constant change, and skandahs refers to experience from the senses, thought content, and consciousness.
 
spiritualbee said:
I am curious what causes the mental illness.
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The etiology of a mental illness is not always known. Also there are many diagnoses which develop differently across the lifespan. Genetics, trauma, life circumstances, poor coping skills, can all play a role in the development of many mental illnesses, as is true for many physical illnesses.
 
Aupmanyav said:
- It is not a justification, it is acceptance of reality.
- What is wrong with nationalism? All citizens of any country should be nationalistic, just like we are loyal to our family.
- Yes, it is evil, they should not be doing this. The rest is as Chanakya said, 'Shathe shathyam' (Treat the evil with a staff). We should not disregard reality.
- 'Karma'. They got the fruits of their actions. Three properties of the Mumbai blast accused, now in Pakistan, Tiger Memon, have been confiscated.
- Monks, teachers, priests berate each other. That does not affect the general population. Hindus and Muslims, Christians live amicably, even when their leaders are fighting, even helping each other in times of disturbances. Muslims have saved Hindu lives and Hindus have saved Muslim lives.
- The bhaktas (of Krishna or others) are welcome to their belief. Their belief has no influence over me nor my beliefs influence them. My family, my community, is theist. I am an atheist. So what? Tatah kim? Advaita says is that is no separation from Brahman, what to talk of ultimate union?
"na me dvesha ragau na me lobha mohau, na me vai mado naiva matsarya bhavaha;
na dharmo na chartho na kamo na mokshaha, chidananda rupah shivo'ham shivo'ham"
Sankaracharya's 'Nirvana Shatakam'
- Yeah, sometimes that happens, but not very frequently.
- That is your prerogative. I do not disregard the second kind of reality (Vyavaharika Satya, Pragmatic reality).
- I said I respect Dao by what I have read. But I do not need it. I am OK with my Advaita/Buddhism mix.
- I wont say that of Lao Ze. ;)
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I would say you are not an atheist. This to begin with. I think acceptance is the oppsit of fighting.
People fight and lose. Yet there is no approval not to fight. What happened is bribe.
After bribe there is acceptance what is very manipulative if you ask me.
Acceptance is appease things while we should not appear but matter. Or else there is no progress but stagnation in development. Negative is sometimes good. Actually good and evil are most often both explained absolutely wrong as if we can judge about it what is arrogant of us to think.
 
TheLightWithin said:
If I understand correctly, annatta refers to there being no permanent soul, annicca refers to constant change, and skandahs refers to experience from the senses, thought content, and consciousness.
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Our sentence are not real. We have ears because we can not see and eyes because we do not want to see. Once I thought God the creator must have been a sarcast and then easy make a whole world 🌎 🌍 in seven days. Who can beat 🪘 him?
Nobody.
 
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
To recognise who God has given as a Messiah, a Prophet, a Messenger, then one can use Biblical advice.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

So one must test the prophets to determine if One is true or false.

1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already

So they will Testify Jesus Christ is of God.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

So it is not necessarily instantaneous recognition, it is logical that time is needed to see if what the Prophet said, does come true.

Matthew 7:16-20 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

So they will be living the fruits of the Spirit, if they do not, they will not endure, again the time test is also applicable.

There are others, but they are they appear to be the main tests offered to us to assist us knowing who is a true Messiah/ Prophet / Messenger.

Regards Tony
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I read a story about an Israeli king who was afraid to be defeated by other Israeli tribes and he asked a prophet to lie to the Israeli tribes.,And the prophet in the beginning did not want to do that. I can not find this story anymore. Do you perhaps know the name of this king?
 
spiritualbee said:
We need the self to be selfish. Selfish we need to be to survive. It is even better then a no existence. Because selfish people suffer the must and experience the most what hardence them to become more strong out of the field then they were before. We respect therefor any form of life.
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All forms of life and non-life are just one thing, energy in space and time. We are no different from cockroaches. No need to feel better than them.
 
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