Try the Trinity.

An observation and some humor here to keep things light hearted. Apparently, Jehovah Witnesses Bahais and Muslims have a lot in common. I'm gracefully bowing out of this love fest since it seems to target my beliefs specifically.

Have a great evening.
 
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
What is interfaith discussion if one does not want to find the God given Truths that all the Faiths participants come to share,
Click to expand...
No problem
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
how can one honestly participate if they already state they do not beleive other faiths have available a Truth as inerrant as their own Faith?
Click to expand...
I don't have that belief in inerrant scripture. Not at all. I'm certainly not interested in discussing whose scripture is the true inerrant one. I have no faith based on the inerrant words of any messenger. You've got me quite wrong ...
 
Faithfulservant said:
An observation and some humor here to keep things light hearted. Apparently, Jehovah Witnesses Bahais and Muslims have a lot in common. I'm gracefully bowing out of this love fest since it seems to target my beliefs specifically.

Have a great evening.
Click to expand...
Then why not ... Try the Trinity!
 
  • Haha
Reactions: RJM
RJM said:
No problem

I don't have that belief in inerrant scripture. Not at all. I'm certainly not interested in discussing whose scripture is the true inerrant one. I have no faith based on the inerrant words of any messenger. You've got me quite wrong ...
Click to expand...
Then we must be wary of our own selves.

Regards Tony
 
OupaPiet said:
I never bothered to find out exactly how the Trinity "God" was, shall I say...constructed...
To the Christian it is not a problem to say God consists of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
To them it is one God.

Then I was confronted by Muslim, and realized, to my shock, that Christians have a hard time to explain the Trinity.

Well, I previously sumerized the Bible and read the Quran a few times, and I decided to see if there is an easy understandable way to explain the Trinity, and to also find out if the Trinity is false, or really a divine god.

Well, I did my learning and have to test my knowledge with religions that do not believe in the Trinity, to validate my understanding.
This is my main reason why I wanted to join this forum.
To test the idea of a Triune God.

Whats the use if I believe in something, and there might be facts I dont know about that will destroy these "Facts".

If anyone wants to ask questions or needs some clarification, I will be happy to have a serious but friendly debate.
Click to expand...
I don't know if you're still around, but something I ran across today addresses the question pretty directly with good insights. One of the better things I've seen by way of explanation.
(This coming from me, someone who is not sold on the Trinity as I find it dizzyingly confusing as usually explained, but I love explanations that make some sort of sense out of it. Very intriguing)

 
OupaPiet said:
Whats the use if I believe in something, and there might be facts I dont know about...
...
...I will be happy to have a serious but friendly debate.
Click to expand...
Hi, I have a Christian background and my beliefs have evolved considerably over time. The new Roman religion (Christianity) that was an attempt to unify Jewish people and polytheists is heavily based on symbolism. I am convinced that the trinity is simply another symbol, it's not real.

Early Roman creeds: "all things to all people" - your belief in "gods" is transitioned to belief in the one true God.

The trinity is not a reality, so don't strain yourself with irrational metaphors. The Bible and the early Roman creeds are "all things to all people" (1 Corinthians 9:22).

This is the "trinity":
  • If you are Jewish, your God ==> the one God (correct, See Romans 3 below)
  • If you are Roman, the main God of Rome, Jupiter ("father in heavens/sky") ==> the one God (Father)
  • If you are Greco-Roman: "gods", "sons of gods", divine and divi filius emperors, your "god" and "son of god" ==> the one God
  • If you are Jewish, Armenian Zoroastrian, or polytheist, "holy spirit", now personified ==> "the one God"
The creeds say "I believe in one God" and identify the one God as the Father.
All the various "gods" and the true God of Judaism are mapped to the one true God.
Why do you think the creeds say "true God"?
The trinity is: "If you have a god", the belief is now in the one true God.

1 Corinthians 9:22 "...all things to all people..."
Romans 3:7 "...if through my lie God's truth abounds..."
(Roman government pressure) Parables / lies are supposedly justified in order to lead to the true God of Judaism
Romans 3: "...What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, ...? Much in every way..."
What is an advantage that the Jewish people had (and still have)?
Their advantage is that they already believed in the one God.
John 4:22 "...You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know..."

https://www.vatican.va/jubilee_2000/magazine/documents/ju_mag_01021998_p-24_en.html
"Although in Jewish scripture the Holy Spirit is never presented as a person..."

Matthew 13:10:
“...Why do you use parables when you speak to the crowds?...” ...
“...Because they haven’t received the secrets..." ;-)
The trinity is not real, it's merely a theological patch for the parable.
 
Last edited:
Greg said:
Hi, I have a Christian background and my beliefs have evolved considerably over time. The new Roman religion (Christianity) that was an attempt to unify Jewish people and polytheists is heavily based on symbolism. I am convinced that the trinity is simply another symbol, it's not real.
Click to expand...
Welcome Greg, great ro meet you. Nice post.

Regards Tony
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top