OupaPiet
Well-Known Member
Really?
John lived past 100 AD. His disciple, Polycarp continued his work.
He was martyred in 56 AD for his belief, refusing to worship the Caesar, worshiping Jesus.
Now, in this regard, the Gospels was written before 80AD, and John would have spoken against anything written falsely and inserted into the Christian faith.
Polycarp would have mentioned such inconsistencies.
Here we have the 12 apostles being witness to the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus.
They had disciples, who in number was 70.
There were more than 200 people present when the Holy Spirit entered into them, making them to speak in foreign languages, and performing miracles.
Withing a few weeks, they numbered over 5 000.
The Church grew exponentially after Paul persecuted the Christians, and they dispersed all over the Roman world, spreading the religion wherever they went.
So incredible was the growth, that the Jews started to persecute them, and even turned the Roman emperors against them, persecuting them for 300 years.
They were killed, enslaved, their books burned, their property seized, yet they kept on believing that Jesus was GOD.
historians record these events, and even pagan writers mentioned these Christians and their faith.
even if these so called "Scholars" were to claim that John did not compose the books attributed to him, they will still have huge problems in the facts that some of the oldest fragments of Papyri from John dates to before 60 AD!
They will have to admit, that this "John" was writing about facts about Jesus which all the other apostles and disciples would have read in their congregations, before they were martyred believing Jesus was God.
To say, John" was not the author of the gospel of John, is not evidence of fraud at all.
It still remains a book known by the apostles and disciples of Jesus.
Therefore the Bible is authoritative over any other religious book.
Now, lets see the hypocrisy of the Muslim scholar on the Bible and Quran.
1. The Quran was never written down By Muhammad.
2. There was no witnesses that saw Muhammad speaking to any Angel.
3. There exist no copy of the Quran for at least 80 years after Muhammad.
Abu Bakr collected the remaining collections of the Quran, after many Muslims died at battle of Khaibar, who memorized the Quran.
4. This Quran was eventually given By Umar to his daughter Hafsa (Muhammad's widow), but not before Uthman canonized this Quran due to many different Qurans existing. (when Hudhayfah asked Uthman to use Hafsas' Quran to standardize the text.)
5. Uthman kept one copy in Medina and sent others to Kufa, Baṣra, Damascus,
6. Uthman then burned all the other copies of the Quran.
7. Ali ibn Abi Talib had his own copy, which was the closest to Muhammad's recitation, yet it was refused as the quran, and Ali even gave evidence that Uthman's Quran had added verses in his Quran. from there the Shi'ite Islamic sect. Today we have the publication of Rashad Khalifa proving that there were verses added in the Quran.
8. Then the kalif, abd Al Malik took Hafsas' Quran and burned it! Why, due to editions of coarse.
Now, why all the wholesale editing and standardizing of the Quran.
Why does these "Original Qurans of Uthman and Al Malik, not exist anymore?
Why are there more than 26 different Qurans in existence today. Note, it is not just dialects. Arabic does not have vowels, but consist of consonants. Therefore, anyone selling you the story of dialects of the Quran is ....
The Hafs' quran is the text we have today, that was only accepted as the standard text in 1924. therefore the Quran we have now is only 100 years old.
The Warsh and Qualoon and al Durry is totally different, with different words and in many cases, totally different meanings.
And Muslim scholars with a book that was revised and re written and the originals burned to hide differences, wants to tell me that the Gospel should be questioned because John might have not be the Apostle?
Nice try.
