Does that sound TO ANY of you, that John is referring to Jesus as God or some member of the 'Trinity'?
John 6:38- For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me;
39- and this is the will of Him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.
Did God (or TWO of Them) SEND him?
John 6:44- No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
45- It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.
46- Not that any one has seen the Father except him who is from God; he has seen the Father.
Why is John not speaking about 'the Trinity'- since it is the foundation of Churchianity's religion?
I have been kicked out of EVERY 'Christian' discussion forum- except this- for not accepting it!
John 6:63- It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Is the 'Holy Ghost-God' being referred to here?
Or is it says in Greek a 'wind'- denoting an unseen power that all life in Heaven is- God, Christ, and angels?
Again, Jesus says-
John 7:16- So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me;
17- if any man’s will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18- He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of Him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
God or....
John7:28- So Jesus proclaimed, as he taught in the temple, “You know me, and you know where I come from? But I have not come of my own accord; He who sent me is true, and Him you do not know.
29- I know Him, for I come from Him, and he sent me.”
A trick most translators pull is the Cap Trick.
There's no caps in Heb/Grk- so they always refer to God and "he", rather than "He".
John 7:33- Jesus then said, “I shall be with you a little longer, and then I go to Him who sent me;
34- you will seek me and you will not find me; where I am you cannot come.”
WHO SENT GOD????
(Or ONE of Them)
John 8:13- The Pharisees then said to him, “You are bearing witness to yourself; your testimony is not true.”
14- Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true, for I know whence I have come and whither I am going, but you do not know whence I come or whither I am going.
15- You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. 16- Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and He who sent me.
17- In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true;
18- I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.
John 8:38- I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”
39- They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do what Abraham did,
40- but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did.
Is Jesus referring to Himself or Themselves when he says " the truth which I heard from God"?
One of the infamous tricks Translators and Trinitarians pull!
John 8:52- The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, ‘If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.’
53- Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?”
54- Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God.
55- But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word.
56- Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57- The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
58- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
"ego eimi"- translated here in MOST translations as "I am"- a HEBREW name God once referred to Himself as just before telling the Jews His REAL name!
Jesus never claimed to be "I AM" (Ex 3, John 8:58), and just thought I'd check an Interlinear, out of curiosity...
Man- do I regret not doing that SOONER!
I found that the two Greek Words translated in EVERY TRANSLATION BUT OURS as "I AM" are used FREQUENTLY in the 'New Testament'- and NEVER as that ancient Symbolic Hebrew Name God used
once- "I am ".
Examples of how that phrase is rendered in all other scriptures- (any interlinear will quickly show you)-
"I am, I have, I was, it is I, we have, existed", and may more variations.
What complete, and utter deception!
God used that symbolic Name (I AM) only ONE time, then stated what His REAL Name is.
It has never been used since.
So, Jesus REALY said “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I existed or have been.”
John 9:37- Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who speaks to you.”
38- He said, “Lord, I believe”; and he worshiped him.
CJB “Lord, I trust!” he said, and he kneeled down in front of him.
DLNT And the one said, “Master, I believe”, and prostrated-himself before Him.
DRA And he said: I believe, Lord. And falling down, he adored him.
GW The man bowed in front of Jesus and said, “I believe, Lord.”
GNT “I believe, Lord!” the man said, and knelt down before Jesus.
MOUNCE Then the man said, “I believe, Lord,” and he bowed in reverence before him.
YLT and he said, `I believe, sir,' and bowed before him.
Why do some translations read different?
Simple! The Greek word means "to bend the knee", as everyone did before someone with authority!
Jesus words DRIVEL?
Shame on you!
Better list a few more since they will ban me for quoting Jesus!
John 10:15- as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Did God or the Trinity lay down His/Their LIVES?
John 10:17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father.”
John 10:25- Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness to me;
26- but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.
27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me;
28- and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
29- My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30- I and the Father are one.”
Trinitarians pull that one out of context, as well, for he said~
John 17: 20- “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
21- that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Well- the ENTIRE book of John shows how John 1:1 should read; the Word was divine!
Read it YOURSELVES!
John 6:38- For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me;
39- and this is the will of Him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.
Did God (or TWO of Them) SEND him?
John 6:44- No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
45- It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.
46- Not that any one has seen the Father except him who is from God; he has seen the Father.
Why is John not speaking about 'the Trinity'- since it is the foundation of Churchianity's religion?
I have been kicked out of EVERY 'Christian' discussion forum- except this- for not accepting it!
John 6:63- It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Is the 'Holy Ghost-God' being referred to here?
Or is it says in Greek a 'wind'- denoting an unseen power that all life in Heaven is- God, Christ, and angels?
Again, Jesus says-
John 7:16- So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me;
17- if any man’s will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18- He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of Him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
God or....
John7:28- So Jesus proclaimed, as he taught in the temple, “You know me, and you know where I come from? But I have not come of my own accord; He who sent me is true, and Him you do not know.
29- I know Him, for I come from Him, and he sent me.”
A trick most translators pull is the Cap Trick.
There's no caps in Heb/Grk- so they always refer to God and "he", rather than "He".
John 7:33- Jesus then said, “I shall be with you a little longer, and then I go to Him who sent me;
34- you will seek me and you will not find me; where I am you cannot come.”
WHO SENT GOD????
(Or ONE of Them)
John 8:13- The Pharisees then said to him, “You are bearing witness to yourself; your testimony is not true.”
14- Jesus answered, “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true, for I know whence I have come and whither I am going, but you do not know whence I come or whither I am going.
15- You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. 16- Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and He who sent me.
17- In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true;
18- I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.
John 8:38- I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”
39- They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do what Abraham did,
40- but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did.
Is Jesus referring to Himself or Themselves when he says " the truth which I heard from God"?
One of the infamous tricks Translators and Trinitarians pull!
John 8:52- The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, as did the prophets; and you say, ‘If any one keeps my word, he will never taste death.’
53- Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you claim to be?”
54- Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God.
55- But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word.
56- Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.”
57- The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”
58- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
"ego eimi"- translated here in MOST translations as "I am"- a HEBREW name God once referred to Himself as just before telling the Jews His REAL name!
Jesus never claimed to be "I AM" (Ex 3, John 8:58), and just thought I'd check an Interlinear, out of curiosity...
Man- do I regret not doing that SOONER!
I found that the two Greek Words translated in EVERY TRANSLATION BUT OURS as "I AM" are used FREQUENTLY in the 'New Testament'- and NEVER as that ancient Symbolic Hebrew Name God used
once- "I am ".
Examples of how that phrase is rendered in all other scriptures- (any interlinear will quickly show you)-
"I am, I have, I was, it is I, we have, existed", and may more variations.
What complete, and utter deception!
God used that symbolic Name (I AM) only ONE time, then stated what His REAL Name is.
It has never been used since.
So, Jesus REALY said “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I existed or have been.”
John 9:37- Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who speaks to you.”
38- He said, “Lord, I believe”; and he worshiped him.
CJB “Lord, I trust!” he said, and he kneeled down in front of him.
DLNT And the one said, “Master, I believe”, and prostrated-himself before Him.
DRA And he said: I believe, Lord. And falling down, he adored him.
GW The man bowed in front of Jesus and said, “I believe, Lord.”
GNT “I believe, Lord!” the man said, and knelt down before Jesus.
MOUNCE Then the man said, “I believe, Lord,” and he bowed in reverence before him.
YLT and he said, `I believe, sir,' and bowed before him.
Why do some translations read different?
Simple! The Greek word means "to bend the knee", as everyone did before someone with authority!
Jesus words DRIVEL?
Shame on you!
Better list a few more since they will ban me for quoting Jesus!
John 10:15- as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Did God or the Trinity lay down His/Their LIVES?
John 10:17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father.”
John 10:25- Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness to me;
26- but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.
27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me;
28- and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.
29- My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30- I and the Father are one.”
Trinitarians pull that one out of context, as well, for he said~
John 17: 20- “I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
21- that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Well- the ENTIRE book of John shows how John 1:1 should read; the Word was divine!
Read it YOURSELVES!
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