Christians! Do you believe Mohammed's prophethood?

[path_of_one]

Thank you anyways. I was hoping that Christians believed in something like God is three functions in one-like a woman can be a mother, a wife and a woman at the same time but still have the same form and can still be seen as one form only. Only her functions would be different depending on circumstances. While I still would need further convincing on that concept, it would be easier to ascribe those aspects to the concept of the one and ONLY God. What you say however is that God actually has three distinct forms-of which I just cannot accept. Anyways, in Islam, and i will reiterate- we still believe that Allah is the ONLY creator in ONE form only because He doesn't need to be anything like His creation ever. He doesn't need sleep, rest, etc. He is GoD and created all those ideas-or else someone else had to have created them etc etc and that would have to be GOD.

Some Christians agree more with this concept rather than God as three distinct persons. Some Christians don't believe in the trinity at all, though it's a bit rare to find them in the more mainstream denonminations. What follows is my take on this as a follower of Christ, which is different from Faithful Servant's concepts of the trinity. I'm not saying the former conceptualization is wrong, in fact, it is one held by many Christians. I'm just saying we don't all think of God in the same way.

The trinity, for me, is a human attempt to express the mystery of God. People experience God and come up with some ideas about Him, and in most versions of Christianity, these ideas are summarized in the concept of the trinity. I believe the trinity is a human attempt to express the collective experience of the various aspects of God. By that, I mean that God is Infinite and we are finite. Furthermore, God knows each of us intimately and knows what we need spiritually, and also what our spirits and minds are prepared to experience of Him. Then layer the personality differences, cultural baggage and whatnot on top of that, and you wind up with people experiencing God in different ways. Here's a summary of my experience of the trinity, and yet unity, of God. (By the way, I say "Him" to refer to God as a personal Being, not as a literal male entity. Gender is a cultural construct and I believe God is genderless, and also sexless, since sex is a biological and not spiritual attribute.)

The Father- in my experience, this points to the closest approximation of what you probably experience as Allah. This is the very unhuman and mysterious Force and Being that is God. For me, my clearest vision of this was as a child, when I felt surrounded by a great Light that was sentient. This aspect of God of is tremendously powerful, and loving, but not in a human way. The love to me felt like a constant watchfulness. In the moment of being embraced by this Force, I felt what infinity and eternity was like, though my child's mind didn't have the words to describe it. God is always mysterious, but it is this experience of God that showe me that God is a Great Mystery. I will never comprehend Him, nor can I hope to express what glimpses I've had of Him in any way that truly gets at this Mystery and Glory. I would say this is the transcendent aspect of the God experience- God as Mysterious Being and as Powerful Force. This is the creator God, completely non-human and foreign to us. I do not, however, agree with FS that one can't experience this aspect of God, or stand in His presence. I believe He is completely omnipotent and can do whatever He likes. I do not think sin separates us metaphysically from Him. I think, indeed, He is with us always and that when we stand before Him our sins are all revealed, even those we never thought about. I just also think He is just, and that justice does not demand perfection, but rather effort. So why the Son? I'll get to that in a moment...

The Spirit- in my experience, the Spirit is the connective Force of all Creation, and the immanent unifying Force between God and ourselves. When I experience the Spirit, I see the immanent divinity in all things created by God. I see the divine spark in each of the creatures that He breathed life into, I see It in the very earth that is also alive. And I see It in myself. I can be still, and listen to that deeper self that guides me to God, that is not of this world. It is the Force that causes me to love and have compassion, that makes me want to live in harmony with all the peoples and creatures of the earth. It is the capacity to hear all the earth sing for the glory of God. It is divine inspiration, the gift of inner knowing. It manifests Itself as the "fruits of the Spirit," love, patience, gentleness, self-control, etc. I would say this is the immanent aspect of God- God as Process. It is the aspect of God that is unifying all creation, and is living in each of us.

The Son- in my experience, Jesus Christ was a manifestation of God. Though human, He was divine in purpose. He chose of free will to pour out His desires and will for God's, and thus God dwelled in Him. Jesus Christ shows us God's personal love for each of us, and how we should relate to God and each other. Jesus sacrificed all His own wants and needs for the work of God, and showed us the highest potential of humanity. Jesus showed us that though we may not attain perfection as He did, we can all strive toward His holy example, becoming ever more God-centered and other-centered, and letting go of our attachments to the things of this world in order to prepare ourselves to come before God as spiritual beings. He showed us that when God dwells inside one, the way we relate to one another changes. We begin to embody the perfect love of God, a joy in life, a sense of purpose, a commitment to peace. I believe Jesus Christ was not the entirety of God, but rather giving us a glimpse of God as a personal, loving Being, one that people could relate to and find comfort in. Everyone is born with a different personality, and many people have a hard time relating to the Mystery that is God. People suffer, they are lonely, they are in pain. And by sending Jesus Christ, God showed us His ultimate love for us- that He did not expect us to do what He would not. That He did not want us to feel separated from Him, even if He was mysterious. Jesus Christ heals the self-imposed breech between people and God by showing that there is no necessary separation. God and humanity as one. Humanity at peace with itself. And all good action flowing from this path, all spiritual healing, all unity.

I've experienced all three. I feel that all three are a best attempt to express what is inexpressible. I also believe in what lunamoth described as "radical grace." I believe those that seek God and put forth the effort to pour out themselves for His will, will be in His Presence. No matter if they cry out to Jesus, or pray to Allah, meditate on emptiness, or as many indigenous people, celebrate life and the spirits therein. I prefer not to limit God, and acknowledge that my little self cannot fully comprehend the mystery of Him and all that He has inspired in humanity through the ages.

When I conceptualize God, the phrase that has long come to mind is Divine One. But I do not feel it is wrong to acknowledge the glimpses I've had. I don't follow any set routine in my prayer structure. Mostly I just pray to "God." Sometimes, if I'm feeling formal, I pray to the "Divine One," the one I know as "Father, Son, and Spirit." If I'm feeling in need of a friend or comforter, I often will talk to Jesus. If I'm asking for inspiration or guidance, I frequently call to the Spirit. And I thank the Creator for my food, house, and all nature. But mostly I just pray to God. I think in all cases, the Divine One hears my cry.

 

[Quahom1]

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Thank you anyways. I was hoping that Christians believed in something like God is three functions in one-like a woman can be a mother, a wife and a woman at the same time but still have the same form and can still be seen as one form only. Only her functions would be different depending on circumstances. While I still would need further convincing on that concept, it would be easier to ascribe those aspects to the concept of the one and ONLY God. What you say however is that God actually has three distinct forms-of which I just cannot accept. Anyways, in Islam, and i will reiterate- we still believe that Allah is the ONLY creator in ONE form only because He doesn't need to be anything like His creation ever. He doesn't need sleep, rest, etc. He is GoD and created all those ideas-or else someone else had to have created them etc etc and that would have to be GOD.

Some of us try not to put God in a "box" at all. God can be anything God wants to be...with or without our permission.

If God wants to manifest self as three personas, or as one persona, who are we to argue? If God reveals self one way to one person and another way to another person...who are we to argue?

I find it ironic that Christians want the Son version of God, wherein the Muslim want's the Father version of God, and mystics want the Spirit of God...but we all want GOD.

Just a thought.

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[lunamoth]

Trinity

I agree with path of one that the "best explanation" of the Trinity is experiential. I have had indirect experience of the Father and the Son through reading the Bible and through prayer, but I have direct experience of the Spirit as manifested by the fruits of the Spirit and what some people call "confirmations," times when the feeling of guidance or just plain love is powerfully felt. However, the understanding of the Trinity is not a matter for the head, or the intellect; t is a matter of the heart. I don't understand it, but I believe it.

As a Mystery, the Trinity can serve as a "thin place," meditation that during prayer, or sometimes even like a lighting bolt of sudden inspiration, can part the veil between our material lives and our true, spiritual existence.

“No sooner do I conceive of the One than I am illumined by the splendor of the Three; no sooner do I distinguish them than I am carried back to the One. . . When I contemplate the Three together, I see but one torch, and cannot divide or measure out the undivided light.”

- St. Gregory Nazianzen

Having said all of the above, this is why I accept the Trinity, but I in no way excuse the bloodshed that has taken place over the centuries "defending" this concept. I am also saddened that even today the concept is more often used as a barrier between people than as an expression of the Love God has for us and wants us to have for each other.

I'm not sure if you are interested in a more academic explanation of the Trinity, but one can be found here:

http://www.stjohnadulted.org/The_02.htm

And I quote an excerpt from that page below.

The Problem of the Trinity

1.1. The Doctrine of the Trinity as Stated in the Nicene Creed

St. Augustine restated the doctrine of the Trinity as we profess it in the Nicene Creed in 7 statements: (from: On Christian Doctrine):

1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God
3. The Holy Spirit is God
4. The Father is not the Son
5. The Son is not the Holy Spirit
6. The Holy Spirit is not the Father
7. There is only one God

1.2. The Problem for the Rational Mind

The problem for the rational mind:

The numbers do not add up: three individual beings are named as God but they do not add up to three Gods, but rather to One God:

3 = 1, 1 = 3

Summary

The doctrine of the Trinity is:

ultimately irrational: “beyond rational understanding,” a “mystery”

something revealed to us by God, not demonstrated to us by our own reason

something in which, in the end, our "argumentation and analysis must give place to wordless prayer, 'Let all mortal flesh keep silent, and stand with fear and trembling.'" (Bishop Kallistos Ware)

2. Approaching the Mystery of "One in Three" and "Three in One"

Two concepts useful in trying to approach the mystery of "one in three" and "three in one:"

1. Perichoresis

2. Appropriation

2.1. Perichoresis

2.1.1. A Community of Being, Mutually Interpenetrating

Perichoresis (Greek) = circumincessio (Latin) = “mutual interpenetration:” the way the persons of the Trinity relate to each other

Describes “a community of being:” each person, maintaining a distinctive identity, “penetrates” the others and is penetrated by them, to the point that they have one will.

2.1.2. Sharing an "I-You" Relationship

“I-You” relationship (Martin Buber):

The “You” can never be objectified, or “boxed” into our understanding. The “You” has no borders, cannot be measured or “turned into content.” The “You” “fills the sky” of our mind's eye. The “You” is a Presence, is Presence as power.

An encounter, a transitory event (the “event of relation”) which is mutual and reciprocal

Can be called love

Comes to us by grace


The “mutual interpenetration” of the three persons of the Trinity should be thought of as involving a continuous (rather than a transitory) “I – You” relationship of each person of the Trinity with the other persons

2.2. Appropriation

All three persons of the Trinity are involved in every action of God.

Nonetheless, it is appropriate to think of some actions as distinctive actions of one person of the Trinity. For example:

creation as the work of the Father

redemption as the work of the Son

Peace,
lunamoth

 

[path_of_one]

Some of us try not to put God in a "box" at all. God can be anything God wants to be...with or without our permission.

If God wants to manifest self as three personas, or as one persona, who are we to argue? If God reveals self one way to one person and another way to another person...who are we to argue?

Yep. Pretty much my take on it. Thanks Q.

And thanks, lunamoth, for the information. Very interesting- I like the idea of the trinity being a "thin place," kind of like a koan for Christians.

 

[iBrian]

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by choice of surahs? And can you please, if you can, cite someplace where you read or heard that there was "choice of surahs" in those exact terms.
But let me go ahead and tell you what is fact: No one but GOD revealed these words in arabic and it is repeatedly proven to be the word of GOD through logic and common sense.

My point exactly.

Christianity has its own "holy tradition" of how "the spirit of God" settled upon the the choice of the New Testament works. And Islam has its own.

I am merely indicating that criticising of the one form can also appear as the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps in another thread, though, if you wished to explore it?

 

[Faithfulservant]

We have had many muslims come to the christian forum and they all ask the same things.. why do we believe in the trinity..why do we not accept Mohammads prophethood...etc.. We always answer the questions even though if you look at old posts you would find fairly long threads answering the same questions... and rather than accepting that is what we believe they ultimately try to show us why we should not believe it... That is why you were asked to tread carefully. We also do not go onto Islams board and tell the muslims why they should not believe the way they do.. If we have questions we ask them.. when they are answered we accept the answers and do not try to convert them to our way of thinking.

You said that you wanted Christians to admit that The Godhead was God functioning in 3 roles.. in essence thats what they do but they are 3 different persons.. Elohim is plural.

 

[lunamoth]

My point exactly.

Christianity has its own "holy tradition" of how "the spirit of God" settled upon the the choice of the New Testament works. And Islam has its own.

I am merely indicating that criticising of the one form can also appear as the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps in another thread, though, if you wished to explore it?

Actually, I think this is a major reason for the misunderstandings between religions. For some reason, the criticisms we can direct at others can't be applied to oursleves. Being kind of blunt here, but I think a discussion of this would be interesting, say in the Comparative forum.

lunamoth

 

[Bi Dhikri Allah]

We have had many muslims come to the christian forum and they all ask the same things.. why do we believe in the trinity..why do we not accept Mohammads prophethood...etc.. We always answer the questions even though if you look at old posts you would find fairly long threads answering the same questions... and rather than accepting that is what we believe they ultimately try to show us why we should not believe it... That is why you were asked to tread carefully. We also do not go onto Islams board and tell the muslims why they should not believe the way they do.. If we have questions we ask them.. when they are answered we accept the answers and do not try to convert them to our way of thinking.

You said that you wanted Christians to admit that The Godhead was God functioning in 3 roles.. in essence thats what they do but they are 3 different persons.. Elohim is plural.

I am sorry, I didnt intend to start any kind of debate between Islam and Christianity but once someone said something about Islam and compared it to Christianity, well i just could not sit idle could i? I was not trying to convert anyone on here, nor tell them what not to believe, I was just trying to understand your religion. If this has been brought up in past threads, I apologize, as I am new to this forum. I guess I will never understand the Trinity. We do not call Isa (AS) only a Prophet to belittle him, (we call him a Man, a Prophet, a Messiah, and the Word of Allah), but we do it to Glorify Allah, to proclaim His Majesty.

“So (it will be). Allah creates what He will. If He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: Be! and it is. (Qur’an 3: 45, 47).


“Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said unto him: Be! and he is” (3:59).
It's as simple as that for us.

Just to clarify-
Allah revealed the Qur'an TO Prophet Muhammad (SAW). The Prophet was an illiterate man and could not read nor write. The Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) through angel Gabriel and was recorded by the Prophet's Companions while the Prophet recited the verses.

 

[InLove]

Hello, and Peace to All Here—

Quote=Bi Dikri Allah
Thank you anyways. I was hoping that Christians believed in something like God is three functions in one-like a woman can be a mother, a wife and a woman at the same time but still have the same form and can still be seen as one form only. Only her functions would be different depending on circumstances.

Salaam, BiDikri Allah, and welcome. Personally, I don’t find anything I differ with in first part of that illustration. However, I do definitely believe that God can be seen in different ways. I am fond of one that is quite similar. When I was very new here, I posted this in a similar thread, and received different reactions. (I have edited it just a little for purposes of clarity and diplomacy) It goes like this:

Quote=InLove
I also hope that this is not an overly-simplistic idea to write here, but have you ever heard the nature of the Trinity explained in comparison to H2O? Below freezing, it is ice; at boiling point, it is steam. Between these points, it is water. But it is still always H20.


Many Christians who talk about the Trinity are talking about God as Father, God as Son, and God as Holy Spirit--working in different capacities according to what God sees is appropriate and needed by His children.

I think a lot of problem with trying to get God “out of the box” has to do with language. To me, it seems that we are arguing semantics. Christians see the Muslim box, Muslims see the Christian box, and many Christians will see my box in the above explanation. But each one of us believes that Allah/God is without limits.



Just trying to help.

InPeace,
InLove

 

[Quahom1]

Hello, and Peace to All Here—





Salaam, BiDikri Allah, and welcome. Personally, I don’t find anything I differ with in first part of that illustration. However, I do definitely believe that God can be seen in different ways. I am fond of one that is quite similar. When I was very new here, I posted this in a similar thread, and received different reactions. (I have edited it just a little for purposes of clarity and diplomacy) It goes like this:






I think a lot of problem with trying to get God “out of the box” has to do with language. To me, it seems that we are arguing semantics. Christians see the Muslim box, Muslims see the Christian box, and many Christians will see my box in the above explanation. But each one of us believes that Allah/God is without limits.



Just trying to help.

InPeace,
InLove

Then why is it that we keep trying to put GOD back into, the box? To keep things nice, tidy and orderly as we think it should be...? Pretty arrogant of a Human being...but then we aren't as a rule known for humbleness.



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[Quahom1]

I am sorry, I didnt intend to start any kind of debate between Islam and Christianity but once someone said something about Islam and compared it to Christianity, well i just could not sit idle could i? I was not trying to convert anyone on here, nor tell them what not to believe, I was just trying to understand your religion. ...I guess I will never understand the Trinity. We do not call Isa (AS) only a Prophet to belittle him, (we call him a Man, a Prophet, a Messiah, and the Word of Allah), but we do it to Glorify Allah, to proclaim His Majesty.

“So (it will be). Allah creates what He will. If He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: Be! and it is. (Qur’an 3: 45, 47).


“Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said unto him: Be! and he is” (3:59).
It's as simple as that for us.

Just to clarify-
Allah revealed the Qur'an TO Prophet Muhammad (SAW). The Prophet was an illiterate man and could not read nor write. The Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (SAW) through angel Gabriel and was recorded by the Prophet's Companions while the Prophet recited the verses.

Bi Dhikri,

You are very welcome here. Yours is not offensive in inquery or post. Others are not so gentle...but then neither am I.

Like your faith, we accept that to see God/Allah in His purest form, is instant death (for none can look upon the true face of God and survive).

We believe that Allah/God so loves Man (all of us), that He had to do something to save His loved creation (specifically Mankind). So He decided to walk among us, as one like us, but without blemish (God can not sin).

God/Allah taught us from the beginning to attone for our sins regularly by sacrificing the first of the fruits of our labor, and always provided choice fruits for Man to choose or not to choose, to use as a sacrifice to God.

As man developed, the concept of God/Allah began to break down...the more educated and knowledgeable we became, the less and less we depended on ONE God. Our imaginations and personal desires gave want to produce "little gods" that we basically paid token tribute to. But we were going to overcome and go it alone, on our own way. If we couldn't build a tower of Babel, we were going to Babelize the surface of the earth.

And we were succeeding...(as God knew we would). But we were sending ourselves on a bent towards eventual extinction.

Shall I stop, or shall I continue my thoughts? Your call.

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Q

 

[InLove]

Hi, and Peace to All Here--

Exactly, Q! (Hey, and what happened to the H2O? It's not in the box! )

InPeace,
InLove

 

[Quahom1]

Hi, and Peace to All Here--

Exactly, Q! (Hey, and what happened to the H2O? It's not in the box! )

InPeace,
InLove

Water seeks its own level...

 

[Faithfulservant]

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Joh 17:22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

Joh 17:24 Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. Jesus could claim some of The Fathers glory.. The Father shared his glory with The Son... the same glory He had before the world was created.. He can claim oneness with The Father.. pretty big claims.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

i do not personally believe mohammed is a prophet, actually i feel he is fake. What has he prophesized anyway? did it come true? why are there muslim temples on the land that God gave to his chosen people? what about the prophets that claimed that jesus would be born, then he did, and he lived died and rose again , which was all prophesized. why is this downplayed in the muslim religion. if mohammed wanted to be useful at all he should have told his arabic people how to live with love, peace and humbleness in their hearts and help the fellow neighbors instead of fighting constantly with them since the beginning of time. i think muslim religion is just a form of one-up-ness and jealousy stemming from the time of abraham when he send ismael and his mom out into the desert.

 

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Blaznfattyz! Welcome to CR!

You are certainly welcome to your opinion. I would ask though that when commenting on other faiths, at least be respectful. The attitude you project in your post is not helpful for respectful dialogue. It actually promotes a reverse attitude directed back at Christianity, do you see?

Afterall, where you see fulfillment of prophecy in the Bible, others do not. While I do not expect Christians to accept Mohammed as a prophet, I do expect Christians to respect Muslims as people.

This is the Christianity board, so yes the Christian view should be the main view presented. I also feel the Muslim view offered was done in a respectful manner, inviting discussion. Name-calling ("fake") is hardly discussion, and will not be long tolerated on this board, regardless of who does it. So I would offer that if you wish to respectfully discuss the issues raised, then by all means please join in. If your doctrine and prejudices will not allow you to be respectful, then I would ask that you not participate. Thank you.

 

[Quahom1]

i do not personally believe mohammed is a prophet, actually i feel he is fake. What has he prophesized anyway? did it come true? why are there muslim temples on the land that God gave to his chosen people? what about the prophets that claimed that jesus would be born, then he did, and he lived died and rose again , which was all prophesized. why is this downplayed in the muslim religion. if mohammed wanted to be useful at all he should have told his arabic people how to live with love, peace and humbleness in their hearts and help the fellow neighbors instead of fighting constantly with them since the beginning of time. i think muslim religion is just a form of one-up-ness and jealousy stemming from the time of abraham when he send ismael and his mom out into the desert.

Seems to me I'd be pretty upset if I were sent into the desert with my mom, especially if the order came from my dad...

I'd be upset even more, if I were the first born...

Just a thought.

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[Friend]

The prophecy of Muhammad is recorded in the Qur'an so we need to test what the Qur'an says to see whether Muhammad is a true prophet.

In the Gospel Jesus very clearly taught that Christians are not to fight for their religion. His apostles also taught the same:

Mat 5:39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,and persecute you;
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


But in the Qur'an it says that the Gospel taught that fighting for God (religion) is acceptable.
They fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon God in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran (Sura 9:111, Arberry).

Jesus taught that his death on the cross was to pay for our sins and that it was part of God's work that he came to perform. However in the Qur'an Jesus' death on the cross is no death at all. Thus the Qur'an does not confirm the Bible at this most important point.
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Hi all

Ok , It is very nice to read those verses from the bible which call for love and peace , but I read other verses contradict this ......( note : I believe as all Muslims believe that Jesus is not Killer and he was a true prophet )

"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 19:26-28)"
is this part not from the bible ???

"He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 22:36)"

"So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 2:22-23)"

we read about Jesus commanding his followers to buy swords "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 22:36)"

We also read about Jesus bringing corruption and destruction to earth rather than peace "Do not suppose that I [Jesus] have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:34)"

May be my source is wrong ... you can tell me or explain the truth to me .

I'm sure that this is not the real situation about Jesus (PUH) may be he call for defence but not fight .


Peace upon all

 

[Proph 1]

*Chrisitan Speaking*

No I dont NOT believe in the prophethood of Mohammad.

 

[Quahom1]

Hi all

Ok , It is very nice to read those verses from the bible which call for love and peace , but I read other verses contradict this ......( note : I believe as all Muslims believe that Jesus is not Killer and he was a true prophet )

...

May be my source is wrong ... you can tell me or explain the truth to me .

I'm sure that this is not the real situation about Jesus (PUH) may be he call for defence but not fight .


Peace upon all

What is being described is the end time. At this time man and the world is so corrupt and deadly, that had Jesus not cut the time short, there would be none left alive. When He comes however, the armies of the world, and their leaders will not welcome Jesus, but will turn to fight He and his army of angels. There is no love, mercy nor anything salvagable in these humans. Their hearts hardened and their hatred for God, plus their arrogance at their own might will be the last straw. Revelations also states that the war will last one day. After that, not one man will be left alive on the battle field. The Anti-Christ leader and the leaders of Satan's league are bound, defeated and cast away. That battle takes place in the area known as Armageddon.

After which there will be a thousand years of peace on earth, with Christ ruling from earth. After that, Satan is released for a little while, to gather who he can for the last battle. According to scripture, man will be fully aware of God and His purpose for man, and should any man decide to side with Satan, there is no redemption for that man.

Hope this helps.

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