More Dor....
Your quote:
Matthew28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Is this scripture in some way helping to prove the existance of a triune God ? Usually the previous verse 19 is used (In the name of’) as a so called ‘trinity proof text’’
Are you saying that the phrase ’ I am with you always’ is definitely saying that Jesus has always been with God for eternity ? If so, this is really stretching it a bit too far.
Jesus is addressing man; and if you are saying that this proves that Jesus was eternally with God as a part of God before man was created then this doesn’t make sense because he is saying, in essence, that he has always been with man ("I am with you always"). The scripture doesn’t say that he was always there for infinite time before mans creation. He was, but not eternally.
Your quote:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. All of God was in him.
The way this is worded, at times, in English ...using the word 'godhead', gives the impression that the original Greek word used in this scripture, once transliterated indicates two or more entities in one (godhead).
By way of the actual meaning of the original Greek word you can get a truer understanding of what is actually being put across to us rather than the way that it has been transliterated. An appropriate word that can be used is deity, indicating a divine entity.
Col 2:9 for in Christ all the fullness of the DEITY lives in bodily form....
The Greek word used in this scripture is theotes and is better transliterated as deity....."all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily,"
This means that Jesus is of a divine nature rather than the actual one and only true God Jehovah. As much so as the angels are of a divine nature, (usually those not born into the material realm on earth.)
"divine quality" is theotes, and this is the only use of the word in the Christian Greek Scriptures, there is a basis for translating these words as "Divinity"
Many bibles translate theotes as comparable to divine nature e.g. The Jerusalem bible:
"In his body lives the fullness of divinity, and in him you too find your own fullfillment..."
A similar scripture gives an understanding of what Colossians 2:9 is trying to say regarding how the scriptures are worded at times and the nature of the Christ.....Please compare with.........
John 5:26 “ The Lord Jesus said, ‘For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son to also have life in Himself. “
Important to this issue also, the interesting connection is that even humans can be partakers of the "divine nature/being of God" at 2 Peter 1:4 ...
‘Through these things he has freely given us the precious and very grand promises, that through these you may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.
which, as we can see above, can be equivalent to "deity/godhead." To think that we can become part of some mysterious godhead is a stretch for the Bible and common sense. With this scripture at Peter in mind, are some similarly stretching the imagination by saying that Jesus is God at Colossians 2:9 ?
Faithfulservants quote:
might I add that God doesnt make grammatical errors..
Humans do though, and the bible translators are human.
Your quote:
Matthew28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Is this scripture in some way helping to prove the existance of a triune God ? Usually the previous verse 19 is used (In the name of’) as a so called ‘trinity proof text’’
Are you saying that the phrase ’ I am with you always’ is definitely saying that Jesus has always been with God for eternity ? If so, this is really stretching it a bit too far.
Jesus is addressing man; and if you are saying that this proves that Jesus was eternally with God as a part of God before man was created then this doesn’t make sense because he is saying, in essence, that he has always been with man ("I am with you always"). The scripture doesn’t say that he was always there for infinite time before mans creation. He was, but not eternally.
Your quote:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. All of God was in him.
The way this is worded, at times, in English ...using the word 'godhead', gives the impression that the original Greek word used in this scripture, once transliterated indicates two or more entities in one (godhead).
By way of the actual meaning of the original Greek word you can get a truer understanding of what is actually being put across to us rather than the way that it has been transliterated. An appropriate word that can be used is deity, indicating a divine entity.
Col 2:9 for in Christ all the fullness of the DEITY lives in bodily form....
The Greek word used in this scripture is theotes and is better transliterated as deity....."all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily,"
This means that Jesus is of a divine nature rather than the actual one and only true God Jehovah. As much so as the angels are of a divine nature, (usually those not born into the material realm on earth.)
"divine quality" is theotes, and this is the only use of the word in the Christian Greek Scriptures, there is a basis for translating these words as "Divinity"
Many bibles translate theotes as comparable to divine nature e.g. The Jerusalem bible:
"In his body lives the fullness of divinity, and in him you too find your own fullfillment..."
A similar scripture gives an understanding of what Colossians 2:9 is trying to say regarding how the scriptures are worded at times and the nature of the Christ.....Please compare with.........
John 5:26 “ The Lord Jesus said, ‘For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son to also have life in Himself. “
Important to this issue also, the interesting connection is that even humans can be partakers of the "divine nature/being of God" at 2 Peter 1:4 ...
‘Through these things he has freely given us the precious and very grand promises, that through these you may become sharers in divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world through lust.
which, as we can see above, can be equivalent to "deity/godhead." To think that we can become part of some mysterious godhead is a stretch for the Bible and common sense. With this scripture at Peter in mind, are some similarly stretching the imagination by saying that Jesus is God at Colossians 2:9 ?
Faithfulservants quote:
might I add that God doesnt make grammatical errors..
Humans do though, and the bible translators are human.