death is swallowed up

[mee]

Afraid it doesn't work that way Mee. See the Bible is supposed to be out of time (not subject to time). Which means it is as pertenant today as it was yesterday, as it will be tomorrow. As long as we are on earth in this life, we do not see clearly. Only when we meet God, is everything become clear. You can't have it both ways. So, I opine everyone is still looking through glass darkly...even you.

v/r

Joshua

yes ,but look how much clearer the understanding is , in this the last days . and that is just how Daniel said it would be . Daniel 12;4many prophecies were for this time of the end, so years ago it was not the time for Jehovah to reveal things. bible prophecy is now well along and even the early followers were not ready to be told all things .
When Jesus was on earth, he said to his disciples: "I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present." (John 16:12) If he had told them all these things at once, they would have been overwhelmed. It would have been impossible for them to grasp these things and to put them into effect in their lives. So he taught them progressively.

 

[mee]

Perhaps because the 11 remaining tribes have scattered across the earth, hence there is neither Greek nor Jew...

they certainly are from the four corners of the earth, from all nations, they are spiritual Jews .
The Italian Cornelius was just as much a spiritual Jew or Israelite as those believing natural Jews. Cornelius saw that the Christian congregation was made up of spiritual Jews and that God was with those people. Hence he decided to go with spiritual Jews.
beginning with Jesus’ apostles and others at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jehovah has been dealing with spiritual Israelites. These are humans anointed with God’s holy spirit who become part of what the apostle Paul calls "the Israel of God." (Galatians 6:16; Romans 8:15-17) Recall, too, that at 1 Peter 2:9, these Christians are called "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession." Peter goes on to identify the assignment given to spiritual Israel: "‘You should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." but now in this time of the end a great crowd of other sheep are being gathered revelation 7;9-10. that is what i am ,or i am trying my best to be one who listens to Jesus and welcomes him as the reigning king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment . those spiritual jews have been blessed in the time of the end , they have been faithful indeed . and helping those spiritual Jews is the thing to do because how we act towards those spiritual Jews has a bearing on what side of Jesus we will end up . on the right as sheep, or on the left as Goats . the sheep have everlasting life the goats are cut-off from everlasing life .

 

[Silas]

Because my eyes are no longer pasted togeather, but open to the pure word of God ,i can now see that the JW are sticking very faithfully to the pure word of God the bible . and i can also see that they have cast off the manmade false doctrines of man , revelation 18;4 which means that they are nolonger contaminated with false religion, and they have allowed Jehovah God to take them in , and then they have been blessed by Jehovah and been given much understanding about bible prophecy and much insight . Danial 12;4and then these faithful ones can feed the other sheep with the spiritual food that is being given to them. and the reason that JW are a worldwide people preaching in unity, is because Jehovah can accomplish whatever he wills , and when Jehovahs spirit or active force is behind a work it will be sucessfull.even under opposition.

The plain truth is, Mee, if you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father who sent Him. You must believe in the right Jesus to be saved. Your jesus is a created angel but the Biblical Jesus is truely All God and All man. Read Hebrews 2. He became a man that He could die and taste death for all those who would repent and trust in Him. And as God, He rose from the grave. Jesus is the Eternal God and the mystery of the Godhead revealed in bodily form. You have the wrong Jesus and all your good works are still filty rags. You never answered my question, Mee. If Jesus isnt good, since He said that none are good but God, how are you saved by a blemished lamb?

 

[Quahom1]

they certainly are from the four corners of the earth, from all nations, they are spiritual Jews .
The Italian Cornelius was just as much a spiritual Jew or Israelite as those believing natural Jews. Cornelius saw that the Christian congregation was made up of spiritual Jews and that God was with those people. Hence he decided to go with spiritual Jews.
beginning with Jesus’ apostles and others at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jehovah has been dealing with spiritual Israelites. These are humans anointed with God’s holy spirit who become part of what the apostle Paul calls "the Israel of God." (Galatians 6:16; Romans 8:15-17) Recall, too, that at 1 Peter 2:9, these Christians are called "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession." Peter goes on to identify the assignment given to spiritual Israel: "‘You should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." but now in this time of the end a great crowd of other sheep are being gathered revelation 7;9-10. that is what i am ,or i am trying my best to be one who listens to Jesus and welcomes him as the reigning king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment . those spiritual jews have been blessed in the time of the end , they have been faithful indeed . and helping those spiritual Jews is the thing to do because how we act towards those spiritual Jews has a bearing on what side of Jesus we will end up . on the right as sheep, or on the left as Goats . the sheep have everlasting life the goats are cut-off from everlasing life .

I'm sorry Mee. But your description is absolutely false. Jews are from the tribe of Judah. The religious belief is originated in the tribe of Judah (hence the term Jew). The other 11 tribes were not Jews and are not Jews. They are Benjamites, Levites, Dannites, Reubenites, etc. They were dispersed well before the tribe of Judah's faith took on the term Jewish, and the people called ethnically, culturally, nationally and religiously "Jews".

The whole purpose (I opine) for the 144,000 is the final gathering of representetives of the original 12 tribes of Israel, before that kingdom was split, broken up and sent to all corners of the earth. They are not all spiritual Jews. They are all spiritual/decendent Israelites, perhaps...but that is a huge difference than they all being from the tribe of Judah.

I do opine though that 12,000 will be authentic Jews (from the tribe of Judah). The rest will not be from the tribe of Judah, hence not Jews, physically, psychologically, nor spiritually.

And all will be literal "virgin males". That kind of leaves out most of us...

 

[Quahom1]

The plain truth is, Mee, if you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father who sent Him. You must believe in the right Jesus to be saved. Your jesus is a created angel but the Biblical Jesus is truely All God and All man. Read Hebrews 2. He became a man that He could die and taste death for all those who would repent and trust in Him. And as God, He rose from the grave. Jesus is the Eternal God and the mystery of the Godhead revealed in bodily form. You have the wrong Jesus and all your good works are still filty rags. You never answered my question, Mee. If Jesus isnt good, since He said that none are good but God, how are you saved by a blemished lamb?

Of course you realize this is an exercise in futility. Mee will not entertain anything but his own denomination's perspective. The reason I point out what I do is for others to have a comparrison to weigh against what Mee's faith declares. Then it is up to the reader to decide one way or the other, or something different all togetherl.

 

[Silas]

I dont understand why someone who claims to love Jehovah will continue to follow a cult who has made so many false prophecies. According to Deuteronomy 18:20-22, the prophet of God must always be 100% accurate! God will not have it any other way than perfection. How then, or rather, why then, will mee still "choose" to deny truth and deny Jehovah who he claims to love?

 

[Quahom1]

I dont understand why someone who claims to love Jehovah will continue to follow a cult who has made so many false prophecies. According to Deuteronomy 18:20-22, the prophet of God must always be 100% accurate! God will not have it any other way than perfection. How then, or rather, why then, will mee still "choose" to deny truth and deny Jehovah who he claims to love?

Ours is not to question why, but to ask "How high". In otherwords, we pray for eachother, as if they were our own (because they are our own). God honors that. We don't judge, since we do not want to be judged.

Some times we must simply let be, and let God...

No doubt, some of us love God fiercely...so, let go, and let God...and pray for all of us to know the truth within our lifetime... eh?

v/r

Joshua

 

[aburaees]

I dont understand why someone who claims to love Jehovah will continue to follow a cult who has made so many false prophecies.

They obviously don't see them as false prophecies... just incorrect "interpretations" of Bible prophecies. Part of the learning process - can YOU faultlessly interpret ALL the prophecies in the Bible?

According to Deuteronomy 18:20-22, the prophet of God must always be 100% accurate!

True.

God will not have it any other way than perfection.

True.

How then, or rather, why then, will mee still "choose" to deny truth and deny Jehovah who he claims to love?

He doesn't "choose" to deny truth. He obviously "believes" that he HAS the truth... albeit a different truth to the one that YOU "believe".

 

[BlaznFattyz]

...can YOU faultlessly interpret ALL the prophecies in the Bible?...

good point, but, according to silas, he didnt take on the responsibility by leading many people astray with incorrect interpretations. that is the huge difference between personally interpreting incorrectly.

 

[aburaees]

good point, but, according to silas, he didnt take on the responsibility by leading many people astray with incorrect interpretations. that is the huge difference between personally interpreting incorrectly.

Of course. Though I'm pretty sure that any incorrect interpretions of the past (those which have been realised anyway) have already been dropped and replaced with something else... the JWs won't need to change their position on 1914 until the year 2034, when all of the generation that saw 1914 has passed away.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

and it sadly might not be the last change made and chalked up to learning.

 

[Silas]

He doesn't "choose" to deny truth. He obviously "believes" that he HAS the truth... albeit a different truth to the one that YOU "believe".

I dont doubt at all he believes he has the truth. But, I know God is more than fair and that he never gives people over to depraved minds, to believe lies, until they first choose to walk in what they know is false.

 

[Quahom1]

I dont doubt at all he believes he has the truth. But, I know God is more than fair and that he never gives people over to depraved minds, to believe lies, until they first choose to walk in what they know is false.

You'll have to do better than that Ace. I got Cyberpi breathing down my neck, and I'm simply stating Christ's purpose and man's collective take on the matter. He makes all Christians look like idiots, and no one will defend against his arguement. It gets old, fighting, and not being defended huh...

too many christians, none collected tight for Christ...that's why we get our ass kicked.

 

[Silas]

Of course. Though I'm pretty sure that any incorrect interpretions of the past (those which have been realised anyway) have already been dropped and replaced with something else... the JWs won't need to change their position on 1914 until the year 2034, when all of the generation that saw 1914 has passed away.

I didnt see this before. If this werent a serious issue, it would be hilarious!

 

[mee]

The plain truth is, Mee, if you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father who sent Him. You must believe in the right Jesus to be saved. Your jesus is a created angel but the Biblical Jesus is truely All God and All man. Read Hebrews 2. He became a man that He could die and taste death for all those who would repent and trust in Him. And as God, He rose from the grave. Jesus is the Eternal God and the mystery of the Godhead revealed in bodily form. You have the wrong Jesus and all your good works are still filty rags. You never answered my question, Mee. If Jesus isnt good, since He said that none are good but God, how are you saved by a blemished lamb?

there is only one Jesus and that one is the only- begotten son of God as the bible tells us John 3;16

(Romans 8:32) He who did not even spare his own Son but delivered him up for us all, why will he not also with him kindly give us all other things?​

(1 John 4:9) By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him.
the only one created by Jehovah alone, and yes as hebrews tells us, this son gave up his heavenly life as a spirit person and found out just what it was like to be a man,
The Bible calls Jesus "the firstborn of all creation." (Colossians 1:15) Just think—Jehovah’s Son was in existence before the physical universe. How long, then, were Father and Son together? Some scientists estimate that the universe is 13 billion years old. Can you even imagine that much time?
he lowered himself and was obedient as far as death,
Although he was existing in God’s form, [he] gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake." Jesus loyally upheld Jehovah’s sovereignty by submitting to God’s will for him. He became obedient as far as suffering death on a torture stake.
Philippians 2:5-8.

and then his father Jehovah resurrected him from the dead .
Jesus resurrection was performed by Jehovah God himself.— as the following verses tell usAc 3:15;
whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
and Acts5:30;
The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew, hanging him upon a stake
and Ro 4:24;
but also for the sake of us to whom it is destined to be counted, because we believe on him who raised Jesus our Lord up from the dead.
and ROMANS10:9.
For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
there is only one Jesus and he is the one that plays a very important part in the outworking of Gods purpose for the earth, and now he is a reigning king in the established heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14. Yes Gods purpose is moving ever foreward and Jesus is now a warrior king . and this Jesus plays a very big part in swallowing up death forever. Jesus certainly is the one to look to. not a manmade trinity God which is not a bible teaching . stick to the bible and we cant go wrong.yes i have got my palm branch in my hand welcoming this king, revelation 7;9-10 he is the only way to salvation .

 

[mee]

I'm sorry Mee. But your description is absolutely false. Jews are from the tribe of Judah. The religious belief is originated in the tribe of Judah (hence the term Jew). The other 11 tribes were not Jews and are not Jews. They are Benjamites, Levites, Dannites, Reubenites, etc. They were dispersed well before the tribe of Judah's faith took on the term Jewish, and the people called ethnically, culturally, nationally and religiously "Jews".

The whole purpose (I opine) for the 144,000 is the final gathering of representetives of the original 12 tribes of Israel, before that kingdom was split, broken up and sent to all corners of the earth. They are not all spiritual Jews. They are all spiritual/decendent Israelites, perhaps...but that is a huge difference than they all being from the tribe of Judah.

I do opine though that 12,000 will be authentic Jews (from the tribe of Judah). The rest will not be from the tribe of Judah, hence not Jews, physically, psychologically, nor spiritually.

And all will be literal "virgin males". That kind of leaves out most of us...

they are all spiritual Jews and they are all spiritual virgins, no bad spiritual adultary going on with them, they are clean in a spiritual sense , they are faithful to Jesus and are not adultarating themselves with harlots, and the greatest of the harlots in the book of revelation is the woman called Babylon the great, they like to be clean and not be any part of that woman , because she is full of real bad things . revelation 18;4 and Jesus wants a nice clean bride who is only pure ,they are spiritual virgins. but that woman babylon the great ,is the symbolic woman who is the WORLDWIDE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION these spiritual virgins are not contaminating themselves with her , because she is dirty in the eyes of God and Jesus .

 

[mee]

I dont understand why someone who claims to love Jehovah will continue to follow a cult who has made so many false prophecies. According to Deuteronomy 18:20-22, the prophet of God must always be 100% accurate! God will not have it any other way than perfection. How then, or rather, why then, will mee still "choose" to deny truth and deny Jehovah who he claims to love?

the bible is full of bible prophecies ,JW dont make prophecies, we keep awake to the prophecies in the bible ,and nomatter what , bible prophecies always come true .we love Jehovah because we know that whatever he says will happen, it will happen . bible prophecies always comes true . and Jesus being made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment has come true, just as the bible foretold . Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 the end of the gentiles was 1914 and Jesus is now a reigning king ,he is the one with the legal right to the kingship and its all happening in this time of the end . bible promises always come true and death will be got rid of ,do not marval at this, Jehovahs name aCtually means (HE CAUSES TO BECOME) and bible prophecies always comes true.

 

[mee]

and it sadly might not be the last change made and chalked up to learning.

progression works wonders ,we do not stand still we move ahead ever forward , the light gets brigher and brighter progression indeed. i am quite sure there will be newer understanding as we are guided on into everlasing life. that is what i like about being one of JW enlightenment indeed.we dont stand still we go along with the revealed iunderstanding Daniel 12;4 which in turn reveals even more .

 

[mee]

Of course. Though I'm pretty sure that any incorrect interpretions of the past (those which have been realised anyway) have already been dropped and replaced with something else... the JWs won't need to change their position on 1914 until the year 2034, when all of the generation that saw 1914 has passed away.

progression works wonders and keeping up to date with newer understanding means that we dont get left behind with old understanding , so what is THIS GENERATION ? have you done what i have done and gone to the channel that Jesus is using to reveal newer understanding . matthew 24;45-47 dont get stuck outside in the cold about older thoughts , be fed by Jehovah and Jesus christ by the channel that he is using . matthew 24;45-47 people who leave Jehovahs table or listen to those who have left Jehovahs table, are in the freezing cold . because i am being fed by the channel that Jesus is using i am full to the brim with newer understanding about the bible and where we are in the stream of time . and it is really warm and cosy

 

[BlaznFattyz]

progression works wonders

learning from one's mistakes is what you are referring to... but we are not talking about touching a hot stove, we are talking about false prophets claiming dates.