pattimax
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No, they do not follow the same creed or interpretation as Christians that are not in their cult. It is not about me.
Debating JW faith
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No, they do not follow the same creed or interpretation as Christians that are not in their cult. It is not about me.
pattimax
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mee
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yes prophecy is 100% correct ,and Jesus was given the kingship of the heavenly kingdom goverment right on time in 1914 and now it is very good indeed, thrilling times indeed for those who kept awake to bible prophecy. faithfulness leads to great blessings in the time of the end
And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant." Daniel 12;4 all of that roving around the scriptures has been worth it , and now the understanding is very abundant indeed . and it is very good .
(Psalm 97:11) Light itself has flashed up for the righteous one, And rejoicing even for the ones upright in heart................ yes progression indeed.
and these ones do not keep it all to theirselves they dish it out to those who are willing to take it in matthew 24;45-47.........
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mee
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love for God and people moves us to tell others the wonderful Goodnews ,
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 28;19-20
(1 John 3:23) Indeed, this is his commandment, that we have faith in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and be loving one another, just as he gave us commandment.
(Acts 20:20) while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house............................
For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. .............. matthew 24;37-39 Carrying on a salvation work will save lives if people listen , and one thing is for sure and that is ,no one can ever say that they have not been warned . so the answer to your question is , yes we are still doing the Lords work.
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and that is the part that is without merit biblically and there is no credibility from the group that is spreading it. jesus was born a king and a servant, and was exhalted as a king upon resurrection, 1914 has nothing to do with jesus' kingship. if you stick with the bible and not propaganda from the wt, you cant go wrong.
This is true. He also declared that one did not have to read the bible, but only his works inorder to remain knowledgable...
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mee
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Yes Gods purpose is for Jesus to be king of his heavenly kingdom goverment ISAIAH 9;6-7 Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 and its all working out according to Gods purpose. and when Jesus was resurrected to heaven he sat at Gods right hand awaiting the time in 1914 when he would recieve his kingship from his father .yes bible prophecy is now well along and Jesus is a reigning king. yes the bible is certainly alive and moving foreward and being revealed in this time of the end Daniel 12;4 its great and thrilling times that we are living in
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mee
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its good to know that the sincere bible students of the times past, were after getting back to the real bible teaching, and then Jehovah blessed them for that . sticking to true bible teaching leads to great blessings in the time of the end
(Psalm 97:11) Light itself has flashed up for the righteous one, And rejoicing even for the ones upright in heart.
(Proverbs 4:18) But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.
(Psalm 119:105) Your word is a lamp to my foot, And a light to my roadway.
(2 Peter 1:19) Consequently we have the prophetic word [made] more sure; and YOU are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and a daystar rises, in YOUR hearts.
Yes Gods purpose is for Jesus to be king of his heavenly kingdom goverment ISAIAH 9;6-7 Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 and its all working out according to Gods purpose. and when Jesus was resurrected to heaven he sat at Gods right hand awaiting the time in 1914 when he would recieve his kingship from his father .yes bible prophecy is now well along and Jesus is a reigning king. yes the bible is certainly alive and moving foreward and being revealed in this time of the end Daniel 12;4 its great and thrilling times that we are living in
Interesting irony here. The year Jesus receives His kingship, all hell breaks loose on earth (WWI begins a blood bath not seen since the United States' civil war). Not in my opinion, a very good beginning to the "Prince of Peace's" reign...maybe Satan was attempting to show the new king, the power of his influence over man (and to embarrass the king, if that is possible). just a thought
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Unfortunately, the founding father of the Jehovah's witnesses (as they are called today), apparently did not agree with your statement as noted above. Neither did his protege (Judge Rutherford I believe?). The bible according to their biographies was irrelevent. All that was needed was to read was Haye's six or seven (at the time), publications (which are called today, "The Watch Tower".
So, JWs must have moved on from their original credo and philosophy.
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mee
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so what did Jesus do as a reigning king , he kicked out the opposers and rebels , and that is why the earth since 1914 has got worse because those rebels are angry at being thrown out of heaven they are down here making trouble in a big way . the signs that Jesus is a reigning king are happening in a big way revelation 12;9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
I agree with Revelation 12:9 (and with your obervation that Jesus removed the fallen from heaven). It's the timing I don't ken with you on. You say 1914, wherein I believe the bible overwhelmingly instructs us that this occured before the creation of Man himself.
I suppose it matters little however, since we both agree that the rebellious were removed from heaven by Jesus and his army of angels.
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mee
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the book of revelation is for our day, we have been living in THE LORDS DAY since 1914 when Jesus was given kingship and the book of revelation means an uncovering or revealing , and its all happening in the lords day. the book of revelation is not talking about the time when man was not created , it is talking about our day, and its all happening right now .
The rider of the white horse described at Revelation 6:2 proves to be the same as the rider of the white horse portrayed at Revelation 19:11-16. In this latter reference his name is called "The Word of God," and on his thigh he wears the title "King of kings and Lord of lords." Here he is pictured as at the grand climax of his charge against his opponents, when he brings his ride to final victory at "the war of the great day of God the Almighty" on the battlefield of Har–Magedon, or Mountain of Megiddo. (Revelation 16:14-16; 19:17-21) yes things are moving ever foreward in this time of the end.
Dor
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Sorry Mee but the Bible does not say anything about 1914 in it at all.
Jesus kicked the unfaithful out way before 1914 or before any man period in fact.
Jesus kicked the unfaithful out way before 1914 or before any man period in fact.
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mee
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its not the end of the world as a planet , but the end of manmade goverments which will never bring true peace to the earth . so it will be more distracting to not keep it in view .I see it quite differently...but then I'm not looking for the end of the world to come just yet. Too distracting for what has to be accomplished here and now on earth.
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And in the days of those kings(human rulerships) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,(manmade rulerships) and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44. so looking to the right focus is the way to go , rather than looking at other ways which will only distract us to the real way to peace on the earth.
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mee
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some people accept fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology , some dont. its good to know that Jehovah and Jesus christ only use faithful ones , because they are willing to go along with the purpose of God , and then great things can be accomlished.
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 28;19-20
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,............ yes even the faithful angels are being used by God to accomplish his purpose . when a work has the backing of the Almighty great things can be accomplished. and its all happening . but some dont want to go along with Gods way of doing things . helping christs brothers is the thing to do then we are heading for great blessings now and on into the future . so who are christs brothers ? here they are in matthew 24;45-47 and they are very faithful ones . and Jesus is handing them ALL his belongings. what a priviledge to be blessed with Jesus belongings.As Daniel 12;3 says,
And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever................. nice
17th Angel
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dag nab it, 17th! you make it out to be like your some kind of dumb surfer dude but you're pretty intelligent, man. lol
It's a tactical defense, I am sure....
Mee... Tonight is the night eh?
Indeed, and many denominations are keen to point out all of the other denominations are ungodly.
I hear Atheists make this point against Christianity.
Bottom line is that CR isn't the place to attack individual's beliefs - discuss, yes; challenge, no.
I don't see anything constructive in telling someone their faith is entirely wrong - and I've never seen a JW online open up to such criticisms.
Whether or not someone's beliefs are seen as aberrant or not I don't think is the important issue - it's what we can learn from each other, even if it's nothing more than making our own faith stronger.
I've made a specific effort to try and help me feel more comfortable here, and post from a more personal perspective than simple copy/pastes.
It's nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with any faith - simply that from my own experience, because JW's try to justify their beliefs with scripture, it can make for a stimulating discussion and exploration of the Bible.
I never read so much of the Bible as when debating faith with JW's on MSN communities.
Anyway, I'm going to presume this thread has run its course and close it - any specific debate points from the thread I'm sure could find their way into new threads.
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