Moo!

No. All animals humans have taken in should be treated with the same degree of respect and care.

Dauer
 
Which in this case, means killing it.

Or do you think we shouldn't slaughter animals who have TB at all?

Edit - I do agree that we should treat all animals with respect though.
 
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... or not killing it depending on whether the rules is other animals or this particular cow. The way I phrased my response was intended to imply that the care this animal has received is generally a better ruler, and not the way animals are frequently treated in factory farms and the like.

I think in this case, if the animal really does have tb and it's not just something it's at a low risk for it should be slaughtered and that in the situation of an animal who does not have tb, it should be shown the same degree of care as this cow normally is.

Dauer
 
I agree with you there. Though I think if the group wanted to pay for extra testing to make certain whether it had/didn't have TB it should be allowed a 'stay of execution' for that purpose.
 
I would like a pair of boots made from a sacred cow. I could use them for stepping in sacred cow pies!

Chris
 
geez, its just a cow, people! it was meant to die anyways! kill it, slaughter it, i am hungry. or give me a glass of milk, fer cryin' out loud! lol
china, you da man! high five?
 
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Impqueen,

I agree with you there. Though I think if the group wanted to pay for extra testing to make certain whether it had/didn't have TB it should be allowed a 'stay of execution' for that purpose.
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Makes sense to me.

Leo,

geez, its just a cow, people! it was meant to die anyways! kill it, slaughter it, i am hungry. or give me a glass of milk, fer cryin' out loud! lol
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Do you mean that it was meant to die as in, its intended purpose as a cow is to be food for humans and we might as well hurry and slaughter it, or that, like humans and all other life on the planet it will eventually die?

Dauer
 
dauer
Do you mean that it was meant to die as in, its intended purpose as a cow is to be food for humans and we might as well hurry and slaughter it, or that, like humans and all other life on the planet it will eventually die?
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i meant it as both. we all will die, no exceptions.
 
LeoSalinas22 said:
geez, its just a cow, people! it was meant to die anyways! kill it, slaughter it, i am hungry. or give me a glass of milk, fer cryin' out loud! lol
china, you da man! high five?
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yo leo, the sacred cow is my favorite metaphor....as we all have our sacred cows...and if I were to say the same for one of yours you would be quick to scream fowl...
 
wil said:
yo leo, the sacred cow is my favorite metaphor....as we all have our sacred cows...and if I were to say the same for one of yours you would be quick to scream fowl...
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sorry, i cannot tell if you are joking.:confused: if you are joking then here is my response: i don't own cows, dude. i love to eat them. they make great burgers out of them and if you are from texas, they make kickass "fajitas" with tortillas de arina con frijoles y arroz. now, if you are serious, here is my other response::confused::cool: laterz.
 
I'm sorry my friends. I simply have no respect for animals other than humans. I think it was the way I was brought up. I blame me parents for teaching me badly.

Flies, spiders and moths get the worst treatment. When I see one, I like to get rid of it as soon as possible, but squashing it. I don't want it getting my books dirty.

For me personally, human dignity is more important than that of animals, because, you know, animals don't have dignity......they're subhuman as in......er......you know......they're not human.:)

Pets are different. Pets have sentimental value.

Farm animals have sentimental value too.......as the food we eat.....:D

God created the other animals to serve us human animals. The difference between us and the other animals is that we have a soul. The others don't. Cats and dogs don't go to heaven even if they're our pets.:D

We're the gods of the earth, a degree higher than the other animals. We rule. We pet them for our own pleasure. We feed them. We look after them. Then we eat them. That's the pecking order.
 
Saltmeister said:
We're the gods of the earth, a degree higher than the other animals. We rule.
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And there is the problem with the mere, insignificant human.... It -thinks- it is something special, something better, something higher than all the other animals around it.. Heh, gotta laugh.... :D It is the animal I dislike the most.
 
17th Angel said:
Does that go for humans too? You're just a human that is meant to die.... :)
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Well said 17th. If you are only able to show compassion to human animals, then that's a bit lame in my book. What's the difference between the soul in the dog who is your pet and the soul in the cows that you take milk from and slaughter? Does anyone really think there is one?

Does a father not respect the youngest child just as much as the elder?

... Neemai :)
 
17th Angel said:
And there is the problem with the mere, insignificant human.... It -thinks- it is something special, something better, something higher than all the other animals around it.. Heh, gotta laugh.... :D It is the animal I dislike the most.
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But we are not insignificant (at least in our own eyes). From our own point of view, we are more significant than the others. Although a cow may think of himself as significant, because our minds are more sophisticated than other animals our significance outweighs that of the cow!!! From observation, cows haven't demonstrated enough emotional sophistication to be regarded as equals, much in the same way that computers don't have emotions. They are not articulate enough.

All cows can say is Moo. I can't tell the difference between one moo and another.:)

Neemai said:
What's the difference between the soul in the dog who is your pet and the soul in the cows that you take milk from and slaughter? Does anyone really think there is one?:)
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We decide.

The more meaningful the interaction and the relationship, the more value a creature has. Our own, greater sophistication justifies our decision.

But dogs and cows don't have souls anyway. They only have brains.:D

Us humans -- we are divine. Our souls came from heaven, and they will return to heaven.
 
Saltmeister said:
(at least in our own eyes). .
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Enough said really...



Saltmeister said:
But dogs and cows don't have souls anyway. They only have brains.:D
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You cannot proove that, just as much as you cannot proove you have a soul... You can only go by whatever religion you follows says... But that doesn't make it 100% true.
 
17th Angel said:
You cannot proove that, just as much as you cannot proove you have a soul... You can only go by whatever religion you follows says... But that doesn't make it 100% true.
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Reality is subjective, so aren't beliefs enough? Sure, it can't be proven, but that is exactly the point. You have to belief in something you go on eating McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Red Rooster and Hungry Jacks.

It doesn't have to be 100% true, as long as one person believes in it, it's enough to start a business, ..... or a religion.
 
So one of your main points here, is that you have a soul, an animal doesn't so that makes you better than it... But, then you say that may not even be true that you have a soul, that perhaps it is just a business to con people, and you have bought your shares.... Seem's odd.
 
Story time...

I was driving around a curve on a divided highway...two lanes going my direction, plenty of room, as I came around a corner into my headlights right in front of me appeared a cow, I left off the gas and moved into the other lane to avoid her. Perfectly shadowed behind that cow was another cow, going around her would have meant careening into the fence with four other passengers in the car, I attempted to swerve/slalom back between them clipping the one on the right. Those in the car we talking and missed the whole thing only one caught a glimpse of one cow. We looked around I'd sent that cow flying and it landed dead along the fence line. The entire herd was moving and mooing thru the fields...telling each other what had happened and looking at us for killing their buddy...

Anyone who deals with small numbers of cows has a respect for them, not as dumb animals...many that deal with large numbers of them get numbed by the whole slaughter experience...

I used to be a hunter...I quit eating storebought, farm raised meat over 25 years ago, due to what I knew about slaughter houses and farms. I only ate what got in front of my gun. I used to catch a lot of grief from both veggies and carnivores....the veggies knowing I often ate vegetarian couldn't believe I hunted and a surprisingly high amount of carnivores had issues with hunting. I thought it hilarious that they found it ok to hire someone to raise animals for food, hire assassins and slaughterers to cut, slice, dice, sanitize and provide cadavers for food wrapped in plastic, while chastising me for dealing directly with the animal and nature myself. (haven't hunted since 87...not to say I may not return to it in the future) Although I don't eat meat today ('cept at the sushi bar) I really can't see the difference if your going to eat cow, sheep, why not dog and cat and monkey and rabbit and horse...

The Sacred Cow. The cow was made sacred in India due to the population explosion thousands of years ago...and they were in trouble of losing all cattle to food, cattle were needed however to plow the fields and provide milk. The hierarchy determined that a cow/ox could provide more sustenance by plowing than by plowing and then eating what it plowed. Hence cows were made sacred. Leo, the metaphor of the sacred cow, means what if I slaughtered (verbally or in your mind) something that you held dear and sacred (call it blasphemy or heretical) made fun of your beliefs, belittled your faith....ie killed your sacred cow...this is what I spoke of in an earlier post...
 
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