worship or serve the Christ?

[mee]

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 9:6

Yes, Jesus sure is a mighty God but he is not THE ALMIGHTY GOD
6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Or, "Mighty Divine One." Heb., ’El Gib·bohr´ (not ’El Shad·dai´ as in Ge 17:1, )
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.
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[mee]

He said no such thing at the trial.


Thomas did not address Jesus as Lord or God (if that had been so, the Greek "vocative case" would be used), he exclaimed "My Lord and my God", in astonishment at seeing Jesus alive, and giving the credit to God for the miracle. This is a big difference.

Does​

​

Thomas’ exclamation at John 20:28 prove that Jesus is truly God?​

John 20:28 (RS) reads: "Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"
There is no objection to referring to Jesus as "God," if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus’ own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as "gods." (John 10:34, 35, RS; Ps. 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:18 (NW) Jesus is referred to as "the only-begotten god." (See also Ro, By.) Isaiah 9:6 (RS) also prophetically describes Jesus as "Mighty God," but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus’ being described as "a god," or "divine," at John 1:1 (NW, AT).​

The context helps us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus’ death, Thomas had heard Jesus’ prayer in which he addressed his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3, RS) After Jesus’ resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: "I am ascending . . . to my God and your God." (John 20:17, RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name." (John 20:31, RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas’ exclamation that Jesus is himself "the only true God" or that Jesus is a Trinitarian "God the Son," he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs. 17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs. 31).

 

[mee]

Namaste all,

I think this is a perfect example of what we need to work on in this world.

Unless I am wrong both Blazn and mee consider themselves Christian. As we discussed on this thread, Jesus said the most important thing is forgiveness, all your worship, prayers, serving, offerings are for not unless you've made peace with your brother.

quote] lets go back to Jesus day , the promenent religious leaders of his day regarded themselves to be Gods representatives, and Jesus did not shy away from telling them of their unfaithfulness. and Jesus fortold Jerusalem would be destroyed , and it all came true just as he fortold.
The desolating of unbelieving Jewish Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. is a type or prophetic picture of the desolating of modern-day Christendom, which is likewise unbelieving as regards the Holy Bible and its Author, Jehovah God. and as a follower of Jesus christ and following his example true christians are not slow in making known falsehood . and the trinity teaching is a falsehood and it is a great apostacy from pure bible teachings . Jesus was even put to death by the religious leaders of his day , because he exposed their wrong ways .
Christendom, because of her apostasy, has become a part of the world empire of false religion, Babylon the Great. Because of this, God’s judgments on Babylon the Great will especially be visited on Christendom, since she is the guiltiest part of that conglomerate.—Revelation 19:1-3.

 

[Basstian]

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? Mat 22

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1


If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?


Oh the Mystery


To say Jesus is a mighty God.... But not the Almighty God.

Then go with
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: De 6:4

Would it just be easier to call Jesus... God with us
I can support that title with alot of scripture and not have to place my own twist on any of it.

How'd you get here not dressed for the wedding?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

if a person is after truth ,
the light of truth will appeal to them. but staying in darkness will lead to more darkness . casting away manmade doctrines leads us ever closer to the true God, and also more inline with true bible teaching.so the question is do we really want truth inline with bible teaching , or have we allowed ourselves to be misled by the trinity teaching which is not a bible teaching at all . true christianity is what it is all about. and what better place to be than a thread that people go to if they are into the bible . the trinity teaching is not anything to do with the bible, but many down through the centuries have been well and truely misled

Again with the attacks on christians. Christians that believe in the trinity are not in darkness, they do seek after the light of truth, they are not misled, the are not part of the world empire of false religion, and the concept of the trinity is in the bible, which many have shown you many times in many verses that all intertwine.

 

[wil]

Unless I am wrong both Blazn and mee consider themselves Christian. As we discussed on this thread, Jesus said the most important thing is forgiveness, all your worship, prayers, serving, offerings are for not unless you've made peace with your brother.

lets go back to Jesus day , the promenent religious leaders of his day regarded themselves to be Gods representatives, and Jesus did not shy away from telling them of their unfaithfulness. and Jesus fortold Jerusalem would be destroyed , and it all came true just as he fortold.
The desolating of unbelieving Jewish Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. is a type or prophetic picture of the desolating of modern-day Christendom, which is likewise unbelieving as regards the Holy Bible and its Author, Jehovah God. and as a follower of Jesus christ and following his example true christians are not slow in making known falsehood . and the trinity teaching is a falsehood and it is a great apostacy from pure bible teachings . Jesus was even put to death by the religious leaders of his day , because he exposed their wrong ways .
Christendom, because of her apostasy, has become a part of the world empire of false religion, Babylon the Great. Because of this, God’s judgments on Babylon the Great will especially be visited on Christendom, since she is the guiltiest part of that conglomerate.—Revelation 19:1-3.

Namaste mee, so my error? You adn JWs don't consider yourself Christian, ie part of Christendom? Or like countless others you are saying that JWs are the only members of the one and true religion? Oh, that gets so old.

So I looked up Author

au·thor play_w("A0531900") (ô

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r)n.1. a. The writer of a book, article, or other text.
b. One who practices writing as a profession.

2. One who writes or constructs an electronic document or system, such as a website.
3. An originator or creator, as of a theory or plan.
4. Author God.

Now I like Author, that identifies G!d as the creator....but as author of the bible...only in the sense that he is the Author of all, and in that sense he is the Author of Darwin's Theory, and every book printed, and every religion on earth....but as author of the books which were canonized and assembled by the group that you are blanketing with disdain...we know better....there were many authors, and compilers, and editors.

So to be clear are you know longer considering yourself a Christian? Brethren to those that discuss Christian topics on this the Christian board? Are you now an outsider coming in to tell us that our beliefs are wrong and we are headed to hell? If that is the case is it possible you have moved on and are now on the wrong discussion board?

 

[Basstian]

Needs to be pointed out again there are many denominations within the Christian faith that believe a Oneness doctrine, also many that have different views on the deity of Christ and Trinity doctrines.

I pointed earlier to scripture which would support any and all of those doctrines.

Christ died to save sinner of whom I am chief is an understatement in my life.

I know I am saved but I understand very little of what took for God to accomplish that in my life.
I have a book I can hold in the palm of my small human hands how dare I presume I know all about God or what it took thousands of years to accomplish on my behalf.
More so how dare I presume to understand what works were done for you.

It should not be this way.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Breaking News story ***** YOU DONT KNOW IT ALL *****

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

I feel like if I just had this bit of truth and believed it....

 

[mee]

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? Mat 22

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1


If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?


Oh the Mystery


To say Jesus is a mighty God.... But not the Almighty God.

Then go with
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: De 6:4

Would it just be easier to call Jesus... God with us
I can support that title with alot of scripture and not have to place my own twist on any of it.

How'd you get here not dressed for the wedding?

Now while the Pharisees were gathered together Jesus asked them: 42 "What do YOU think about the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him: "David’s." 43 He said to them: "How, then, is it that David by inspiration calls him ‘Lord,’ saying, 44 ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet"’? 45 If, therefore, David calls him ‘Lord,’ how is he his son?" 46 And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, nor did anyone dare from that day on to question him any further.

Is​

Jehovah in the "Old Testament" Jesus Christ in the "New Testament"?​

Matt. 4:10: "Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, "It is Jehovah ["the Lord," KJ and others] your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service."’" (Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.)
John 8:54: "Jesus answered [the Jews]: ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’" (The Hebrew Scriptures clearly identify Jehovah as the God that the Jews professed to worship. Jesus said, not that he himself was Jehovah, but that Jehovah was his Father. Jesus here made it very clear that he and his Father were distinct individuals.)
Ps. 110:1: "The utterance of Jehovah to my [David’s] Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’" (At Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus explained that he himself was David’s "Lord," referred to in this psalm. So Jesus is not Jehovah but is the one to whom Jehovah’s words were here directed.)​

Phil. 2:9-11: "For this very reason also God exalted him [Jesus Christ] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. [Dy reads: " . . . every tongue should confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father." Kx and CC read similarly, but a footnote in Kx acknowledges: " . . . the Greek is perhaps more naturally rendered ‘to the glory,’" and NAB and JB render it that way.]" (Notice that Jesus Christ is here shown to be different from God the Father and subject to Him.)
But with reference to the Son: "God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners." hebrews 1;8

 

[mee]

Again with the attacks on christians. Christians that believe in the trinity are not in darkness, they do seek after the light of truth, they are not misled, the are not part of the world empire of false religion, and the concept of the trinity is in the bible, which many have shown you many times in many verses that all intertwine.

many people are after bible truth and purity, but many are led along by manmade doctrines. for those after bible truth and purity , the truth sets them free. humility works wonders . and serving God in spirit and truth is the way to go .

 

[mee]

Needs to be pointed out again there are many denominations within the Christian faith that believe a Oneness doctrine, also many that have different views on the deity of Christ and Trinity doctrines.

I pointed earlier to scripture which would support any and all of those doctrines.

Christ died to save sinner of whom I am chief is an understatement in my life.

I know I am saved but I understand very little of what took for God to accomplish that in my life.
I have a book I can hold in the palm of my small human hands how dare I presume I know all about God or what it took thousands of years to accomplish on my behalf.
More so how dare I presume to understand what works were done for you.

It should not be this way.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Breaking News story ***** YOU DONT KNOW IT ALL *****

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

I feel like if I just had this bit of truth and believed it....

JOHN 17;3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

(Ephesians 4:13) until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of stature that belongs to the fullness of the Christ;​

(Philippians 1:9) And this is what I continue praying, that YOUR love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment;​

(1 Timothy 6:20) O Timothy, guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called "knowledge."​

(2 Peter 3:18) No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him [be] the glory both now and to the day of eternity.

(1 Corinthians 2:13) These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].​

(1 Corinthians 3:19) For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God; for it is written: "He catches the wise in their own cunning."​

(Colossians 2:8) Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry YOU off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;

 

[mee]

So to be clear are you know longer considering yourself a Christian? Brethren to those that discuss Christian topics on this the Christian board? Are you now an outsider coming in to tell us that our beliefs are wrong and we are headed to hell? If that is the case is it possible you have moved on and are now on the wrong discussion board?

As one of Jehovahs witnesses , who stick very closely to the bible and what it teaches , i am a christian , but Jehovahs witnesses are no part of christendom that claims to be christian ,but has taken on manmade doctrines and beliefs . true christianity is very different to christendoms beliefs and traditions . i would think that anyone who claims to be a christian would be very interested in the bible and what it teaches. and as JOHN 17;3 Says.
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ................. the bible is the place to find out about the true God Jehovah ,and his son Jesus christ.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

As a christian who sticks very closely to the bible and what it teaches , i am a christian , but Jehovahs witnesses are no part of christendom that claims to be christian ,but has taken on manmade doctrines and beliefs . true christianity is very different to Jehovah witnesses beliefs and traditions . i would think that anyone who claims to be a christian would be very interested in the bible and what it teaches. and as JOHN 17;3 Says.
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ................. the bible is the place to find out about the word of the living God and his son Jesus Christ.

lol, this cut and paste is easy stuff. christian mad libs is what it is.

 

[Basstian]

*Side hurts from laughing*

 

[Basstian]

My problem mee is this,

I believe you have a doctrine that can be backed by scripture, I believe also JW have an open doctrinal belief system that if scholars sometimes discern a new truth hidden in the scripture it can (and has been added) to your churches overall doctrinal beliefs.

Thats all well and good but you wont give anybody else that same respect.

God does not have to reveal to me the ways of a JW to save me, thus turning me into a Christian.

If you say I dont have the truth in me than I am not saved.

If you say only through the JW church system will I learn that truth.

Well that places your church above Christs sacrifice not sure that would have been the intent of your founders.

You are outside of Christian community and I consider you a Christian church
But I also feel your leaders fall under the warning that Christ gave to teachers who would lead men away with man made doctrine.
(dont be offended several church founders in the modern christian era fall under that same catagory)

I can take every scripture you have used and apply it to my belief about God

You however have dodged and side stepped verses specificly gone to a bible version only used by your church in order support your doctrine. And basicly done maybe the poorest job I have seen a JW do in this type of debate.

When you said Jesus is truely a mighty God but not the Almighty God .. you fumbled the ball and its not one you can recover

You placed deity on Jesus as God you cant take it back.
Well done you are learning slowly from us the true nature of Christ and maybe one day you will be able to share this truth with your JW friends as well.

 

[mee]

When you said Jesus is truely a mighty God but not the Almighty God .. you fumbled the ball and its not one you can recover
quote]
As mentioned earlier ,stick to the bible and we cant go wrong .even me who as you mentioned ,makes a bit of a bad job of things
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9;6

Or, "Mighty Divine One." Heb., ’El Gib·bohr´ (not ’El Shad·dai´ as in Ge 17:1, where see ftn); Sy, "Mighty God of times indefinite"; Lat., De´us for´tis.​

(Psalm 45:3) Gird your sword upon [your] thigh, O mighty one, [With] your dignity and your splendor.​

(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

 

[mee]

My problem mee is this,

I believe you have a doctrine that can be backed by scripture, I believe also JW have an open doctrinal belief system that if scholars sometimes discern a new truth hidden in the scripture it can (and has been added) to your churches overall doctrinal beliefs.

Thats all well and good but you wont give anybody else that same respect.

.

the fact of the matter is, the religious leaders of christendom know what the bible says and also know that certain things in their belief system are not inline with the bible , but they are not prepared to put things right . Jehovah uses those who are prepared to put things right and to be more inline with bible teaching. and what makes it worse is that these religious leaders are leading others astray.
we need to ask: ‘Am I worshiping God in the way that he approves?’ How can we know if we are? It is not any man, but God, who is the judge of what is true worship. So if our worship is to be acceptable to God, it must be firmly rooted in God’s Word of truth, the Bible. We should feel the same way as the Bible writer who said: "Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar."—Romans 3:3, 4.

 

[mee]

You however have dodged and side stepped verses specificly gone to a bible version only used by your church in order support your doctrine. quote]
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. psalm 83;18(king James version)..................................... And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Daniel 2;44(king James version)...............I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Daniel 7;13-14(King James version).....................................And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. matthew 24;14(KingJames version).............After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. revelation 7;9-10(king james version ) .......Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ....John 14;28(king james version)

 

[mee]

God does not have to reveal to me the ways of a JW to save me, thus turning me into a Christian.
quote]
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 timothy 3;16( king james )............Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ......John14;28(King James )Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God..... John 20;17(king james )But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. ...1 corinthians 11;3(king james)And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. ..1 corinthians 15;28 ( king james)....Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:... philippians2;6..(King James)Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: collosians 1;15(king james )Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Hebrews 1;3(king james)Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Ephesians 1;20(King James)....................the whole of the bible harmonizes throughout that Jesus is not God . but some translators have been misled by religious leaders to translate ONE verse wrongly , and they even get to base their religious beliefs on that wrongly translated verse, even though it goes against the rest of the bible . deception indeed . as we can see the bible harmonizes throughout that Jesus is Gods son and Jehovah is his father . And i think we all know what the wrongly translated verse is.............JOHN 1;1 translating this verse in the CORRECT way leads to the bible harmonizing thoroughout, with no confusion at all .following is the correct translation

Jesus—A

Godlike One; Divine​

Joh 1:1—"and the Word was a god (godlike; divine)"​

Gr., και θεοςηνο λόγος (kai the·os´ en ho lo´gos) of cause the NWT is not the only translation to know that this is a more correct way of translating John 1;1 there are other translations out there but you normally find that you have to dig a bit deeper to find them because the centuries old deception of the trinity teaching has clouded many translations. those who are after truth will find it , but those who are misled will stay in their spiritual darkness.the question is ............Are you after truth? only you can answer that one .

​

 

[mee]

But I also feel your leaders fall under the warning that Christ gave to teachers who would lead men away with man made doctrine.
quote]
many people think that the trinity teaching is the correct teaching , but the fact of the matter is that the trinity teaching is the thing that worked its way into the congregations centuries ago, and now people are thinking that to go against thiis teaching is to be going against the truth , but the fact of the matter is that they are the ones that have been misled by the trinity teaching.Jehovahs witnesses have not become contaminated by this centuries old deception Christ as you say warned about these things , so it is the centuries old trinity teaching that is a great apostacy from pure bible teachings that we should stay clear of . And i am glad to say that Jehovahs witnesses are free of babylonish enfluence .

 

[Basstian]

so it is the centuries old trinity teaching that is a great apostacy from pure bible teachings that we should stay clear of . And i am glad to say that Jehovahs witnesses are free of babylonish enfluence .

Mee,
Your church is wonderful they have like Martin Luther worked to remove paganism and correct the path of Christianity from years of faulty doctrinal choices. (Said with repspect of all believers in Christ)

Your church was one of many founded at that same time period. It was as if God had had enough and gave christianity a dose of the truth. (Not so much as to crush us) There was a hunger for the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

At the same time there was a whole mass of spiritualism. Modern day prophets\ess and mysticism (sp) through europe and north america people were trying to get in touch with God.

Your Church rightfully removed itself from observing Days considered holy by others. It rightfully took on a global spread the gospel missionary attitude that shocked christianity.
You could fill in a whole long list of what your church has done right.

But Christ said If I be Lifted up I will draw all men unto me.
That seems to be a hard thing for your church is to Lift up Christ.

There is a way to preach the truth in the face of unbelievers in the face of those who think they believe correctly and in those that have never heard.
That handful of men and women did just after Christs ascention.

If you flipped over a Kingdom Hall and shook it hard enough you could still shake a grain or two of babylonian sand out of it. Thats not said as an insult its said Rome wasnt built in a day .. wont be tore down that fast either.(by men)

In Christ alone will I glory
Though I could pride myself in battles won
For I’ve been blessed beyond measure
And by His strength alone I’ll overcome
Oh, I could stop and count successes
Like diamonds in my hands
But those trophies could not equal
To the grace by which I stand

In Christ alone
I place my trust
And find my glory in the power of the cross
In every victory
Let it be said of me
My source of strength
My source of hope
Is Christ alone

In Christ alone will I glory
For only by His grace I am redeemed
For only His tender mercy
Could reach beyond my weakness to my need
And now I seek no greater honor in just to know Him more
And to count my gains but losses to the glory of my Lord

In Christ alone
I place my trust
And find my glory in the power of the cross
In every victory
Let it be said of me
My source of strength
My source of hope
Is Christ alone

Sung by Brian Littrell


Whatever your doctrine there should be a simple truth.
Mine is Christ Alone
And I will worship and serve.