Door-To-Door Missionaries

madeinrussia89 said:
Would you eat a piece of pie that a stranger is giving to you on your doorstep?

Hahaha, man, maybe this stuff works in small towns, but where I'm from, that stuff does NOT fly.
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they are good people with good intent... However If I offered you pie, I would suggest you respectfully decline such a nice offer... But people like Wil, harmless :)
 
(Romans 10:15) How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”
 
wil said:
Who and where was I categorizing? Saying folks who preach fire and brimstone preach fire and brimstone? I'd be interested in hearing the whole analogy. I wouldn't say G!d, Spirit or Jesus are one dimensional, nor two outta three being two dimensional so without hearing it in its entirety I can't really comment.
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It isn’t who or where, it is what. You are categorizing the message. When you hear something that isn’t in sync with the things you understand, you label it “fire and brimstone” and then toss it into the disregard file.

As for the analogy, 3 dimensions are needed for the trinity. You need a line and a square for a cube. I thought it was pretty descriptive of a fully realized life.

I guess saying you had closed mind and slanted hearing came across as harsh. Coming off that way is never my intent.
 
pattimax said:
It isn’t who or where, it is what. You are categorizing the message. When you hear something that isn’t in sync with the things you understand, you label it “fire and brimstone” and then toss it into the disregard file.
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ah contrare, there is much to be gained from contemplating various preachers and their methods of controlling, coercing, enticing, and saving the wretched. I toss it not in the disregard pile, but I suppose I am guilty as charged, when someone concentrates on sinners, and hell fire and eternal damnation rather than the glory of G!d, the teachings of unconditional love and forgiveness, I do categorize them as preaching 'fire and brimstone' oh the evil me.
 
wil said:
ah contrare, there is much to be gained from contemplating various preachers and their methods of controlling, coercing, enticing, and saving the wretched. I toss it not in the disregard pile, but I suppose I am guilty as charged, when someone concentrates on sinners, and hell fire and eternal damnation rather than the glory of G!d, the teachings of unconditional love and forgiveness, I do categorize them as preaching 'fire and brimstone' oh the evil me.
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Yes, but you see there is a danger in focusing on the nice unconditional love and forgiveness (what Christianity is all about) and meanwhile brushing aside and virtually ignoring the fact that we no longer act like God's people. Of course we need to focus on loving and forgiving others. I guess some preachers figure you already know that, they are saying things you might not know.

My nice interfaith preacher wouldn't say things like that...
 
wil said:
ah contrare, there is much to be gained from contemplating various preachers and their methods of controlling, coercing, enticing, and saving the wretched. I toss it not in the disregard pile, but I suppose I am guilty as charged, when someone concentrates on sinners, and hell fire and eternal damnation rather than the glory of G!d, the teachings of unconditional love and forgiveness, I do categorize them as preaching 'fire and brimstone' oh the evil me.
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Is that not the same as the equally lying salesman who paints you with praise, says to be merry and be happy, IF you follow this way? If there is a fork in the road and a sign that says heaven this way, or a sign that says hell this way... is it not the same guidance?

I submit that: the pie and the praise are different. Likewise, and I know you disagree with me: A stone and a rebuke are different. The deed and the words communicate something different.

If a person can't trust the person who makes them a pie, then what can they trust? If the words are not trusted, and a good deed is not trusted... what is left? The next door?!
 
cyberpi said:
Is that not the same as the equally lying salesman who paints you with praise, says to be merry and be happy, IF you follow this way? If there is a fork in the road and a sign that says heaven this way, or a sign that says hell this way... is it not the same guidance?

I submit that: the pie and the praise are different. Likewise, and I know you disagree with me: A stone and a rebuke are different. The deed and the words communicate differently.

If a person can't trust the person who makes them a pie, then what can they trust?
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Well there is that issue that I don't believe in the an anthropomorphic critter called the devil or satan or .... and I don't believe in a G!d that is sending folks to any imaginary hell either. I can't fathom if the Jews wrote the book and don't believe in hell, how so many Christians do. I believe when Jesus said Satan get the behind me, he was referring to all those thoughts in his mind that kept him off the path. I don't believe in blame, personal responsibility for my actions and my surroundings is my path in Christ.

We don't do the saving round here, you gotta do that yourself, no chant or promise or confessional to wash away sins and sin again, and again.

The folks that come door to door or preach hell and damnation don't like that.
 
wil said:
Well there is that issue that I don't believe in the an anthropomorphic critter called the devil or satan or .... and I don't believe in a G!d that is sending folks to any imaginary hell either. I can't fathom if the Jews wrote the book and don't believe in hell, how so many Christians do. I believe when Jesus said Satan get the behind me, he was referring to all those thoughts in his mind that kept him off the path. I don't believe in blame, personal responsibility for my actions and my surroundings is my path in Christ.

We don't do the saving round here, you gotta do that yourself, no chant or promise or confessional to wash away sins and sin again, and again.

The folks that come door to door or preach hell and damnation don't like that.
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I agree with you mostly on the first part.

What do you do when someone sins against you or sins against your neighbor? Coming up to a door you are knocking on a stranger's door. Months later you actually get to know these people and learn that this person tells lies, this other person beats their wife and kids, and this other person trusts nobody except prostitutes. Maybe it even becomes a problem when a neighbor wants to move your fence and chop down your trees because they are blocking his view. Are you still baking them pies? Unconditional forgiveness? In your religion, how do you deal with people who sin. Ignore them? Forgive and forget? Punish them? To really forgive, you first need to have someone sin against you... what is your method with those who are closest to you, like your wife and children? Baking a pie for a stranger is easy... baking a pie for someone who killed one of your family members is forgiveness... in my book. You agree?
 
cyberpi said:
To really forgive, you first need to have someone sin against you... what is your method with those who are closest to you, like your wife and children? Baking a pie for a stranger is easy... baking a pie for someone who killed one of your family members is forgiveness... in my book. You agree?
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I've experienced divorce, a sin against my children I'd say. She left for another, I was replaced, we are friends, she gets more than pie. I haven't had anyone killed, I don't expect to bring that lesson upon me. I believe I have surpassed the need by coming to grips with this lesson spiritually and mentally for it to have no need to manifest in my life physically for me to learn it. We'll see.

I look at life's issues pondering, I don't remember standing in line to sign up for this class, but I'm obviously taking it. My goal is to learn the lesson, take the test and pass in flying colors, as I do not want to have to repeat it for a failing grade. In another thread I just posted:
Tich Nat Hanh related a beautiful story about raising cabbage, and if they were not growing as they should would you yell at them, beat them, threaten to rip them out, or would you provide the water, nutrients, care so they could grow better and encourage them to produce the crop you desire?
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I agree with Thay, does he answer your question as well?
 
pattimax said:
This IS sarcasm.
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It was recognized as such. I'll have to ask if he would call himself or believes himself to be an interfaith preacher. My first inclination would be to say he wouldn't, he'd say he's an ordained Christian Reverend who respects the beliefs and traditions of other faiths. (heaven forbid (more of that sarcasm stuff).
pattimax said:
Yes, but you see there is a danger in focusing on the nice unconditional love and forgiveness (what Christianity is all about) and meanwhile brushing aside and virtually ignoring the fact that we no longer act like God's people. Of course we need to focus on loving and forgiving others. I guess some preachers figure you already know that, they are saying things you might not know.
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Was this also sarcasm? I mean if as Christians we are supposed of focus on loving and forgiving, but don't, seems to me that is where they should focus their lessons. If we are not acting like G!d's people today the method to do it is to chastise and shame? Has no one ever told these preachers you get catch more flies with honey than vinegar?

My personal opinion is it is easier to get em while they are down, beat them about the brow. It is always easier to respond in an unkind manner than forgive, Jesus brought us a challenge, I'd love it if more preachers took it on.
 
wil said:
It was recognized as such. I'll have to ask if he would call himself or believes himself to be an interfaith preacher. My first inclination would be to say he wouldn't, he'd say he's an ordained Christian Reverend who respects the beliefs and traditions of other faiths. (heaven forbid (more of that sarcasm stuff).Was this also sarcasm? I mean if as Christians we are supposed of focus on loving and forgiving, but don't, seems to me that is where they should focus their lessons. If we are not acting like G!d's people today the method to do it is to chastise and shame? Has no one ever told these preachers you get catch more flies with honey than vinegar?

My personal opinion is it is easier to get em while they are down, beat them about the brow. It is always easier to respond in an unkind manner than forgive, Jesus brought us a challenge, I'd love it if more preachers took it on.
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I was speaking broadly. Where is disrespect? When you focus only on love, you are only getting part of the story.
Yes, a very important part, but still not the entire message.

Preachers do not catch flies. If you want to hear only nice things, I am sure you'll have no problem being accomodated. Facing the truth is not always pretty, but it is neccessary.
 
pattimax said:
I was speaking broadly. Where is disrespect? When you focus only on love, you are only getting part of the story.
Yes, a very important part, but still not the entire message.
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Love IS the message. Out of everything, that's what people SHOULD get.
 
mee said:
I would say as long as it is inline with the bible and what the bible teaches then that is ok , but it depends on if the bible is the way a person wants to go .
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Nice to hear what you have just said, My name is Paul IV and interested in discussing about the real issue and about the truth in the bible. Im new in this site and still learning how to go about it.
 
madeinrussia89 said:
Love IS the message. Out of everything, that's what people SHOULD get.
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They NEED the love of Jesus Christ. Not the warm fuzzy all purpose love that folks seem to settle for.

I am not saying that all purpose love is not needed (I really love love, it's beautiful.) Once you get to know Jesus, it's frosting on the cake.
 
pattimax said:
They NEED the love of Jesus Christ. Not the warm fuzzy all purpose love that folks seem to settle for.

I am not saying that all purpose love is not needed (I really love love, it's beautiful.) Once you get to know Jesus, it's frosting on the cake.
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When you say that you know Jesus, in your mind what does 'knowing' Jesus mean? Are you in the camp who thinks Jesus IS God?
 
Paul IV said:
Nice to hear what you have just said, My name is Paul IV and interested in discussing about the real issue and about the truth in the bible. Im new in this site and still learning how to go about it.
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Hi, its good to find out what God requires of us , and its all in the bible . but many people are not interested in what the bible REALLY teaches us . i always think that listening to what Jesus said is the way to go.and taking in knowledge about the true God and Jesus christ is a good starting point.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. JOHN 17;3

(1 Timothy 6:20) O Timothy, guard what is laid up in trust with you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge.”



(2 Peter 3:18) No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him [be] the glory both now and to the day of eternity.
 
Paul IV said:
Nice to hear what you have just said, My name is Paul IV and interested in discussing about the real issue and about the truth in the bible. Im new in this site and still learning how to go about it.
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What would you say is the real issue ? i would say the real issue is the great issue of sovereignty. and where we stand on that great issue .Gen. 3:1-6. and from Genesis to revelation the first ever prophecy in the bible runs through the whole theme of the bible .Genesis 3;15 is what it is all about .
 
cyberpi said:
When you say that you know Jesus, in your mind what does 'knowing' Jesus mean? Are you in the camp who thinks Jesus IS God?
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John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and My Father are one."
John 12:44-45, "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me."
John 14:8-11, "Philip saith unto Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. And how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works' sake."
John 17:22, In prayer to His Father, Jesus said, "And the glory which Thou gavest Me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one."


A little tough to ignore the implication here...

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