There is no such thing as 'Free Will'

The strongest influence that caused her to pour coffee on her pancakes was her erroneous assumption of thinking that the coffee was maple syrup. It was not even possible for her to not pour coffee on her pancakes because of her momentary temporary conviction that it was maple syrup. Momentarily she "preferred" to pour coffee on her pancakes because she thought it was maple syrup. She had no "free will" to choose any differently than she did.

Human error is frequently the strongest influence in explaining our choices.
 
The coffee was not her "preferrence," but the choice (the act of choosing) was her preferrence because she thought it was maple syrup.
 
l am a self confessed addict, l cannot help but to prefer/choose/decide my addiction; l will now uplevel my addiction to a preference and by sheer will power will now prefer/decide/choose not to indulge in my addiction, at this present moment. [ken keyes]
 
rodgertutt said:
It's "emperical evidence" is self-contained because it's logic is absolutely impossible to refute.

Since we always, without exception, choose in the direction of the strongest influence all of the time, there can be no such a thing as "free will."
It is absolutely impossible to choose what we do not prefer.
The fact that we choose it shows that we prefer it at least slightly more than other influences that are almost just as strong.
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rodgertutt said:
Human error is frequently the strongest influence in explaining our choices.
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Yet, we are allowed our error...what is the origination of our errors?
 
nativeastral said:
l am a self confessed addict, l cannot help but to prefer/choose/decide my addiction; l will now uplevel my addiction to a preference and by sheer will power will now prefer/decide/choose not to indulge in my addiction, at this present moment. [ken keyes]
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Whatever.
In any case the strongest influence will dictate what you choose.
 
seattlegal said:
Yet, we are allowed our error...what is the origination of our errors?
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The origin of our errors are the strongest influences of our temporary false assumptions which cause us to prefer to choose as we do.
 
no the strongest influence is the addiction believe me; the sacrifice is voluntary against all the strongest influences evolved embedded impregnated imbibed stored created and 'determined', it is freely chosen against all odds
 
seattlegal said:
And what is the origin of our assumptions, be they true or false?
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The strongest influences to which our minds have been exposed are what cause us to rightly or wrongly prefer to choose what we assume to be true. Those influences negate the possibility of "free will" because they are in fact the strongest influences and that is why we prefer to choose them.
 
nativeastral said:
no the strongest influence is the addiction believe me; the sacrifice is voluntary against all the strongest influences evolved embedded impregnated imbibed stored created and 'determined', it is freely chosen against all odds
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Addictions will cease to be in control when stronger influences, for example whatever is learned at AA meetings becomes stronger than the addiction.
 
rodgertutt said:
The strongest influences to which our minds have been exposed are what cause us to rightly or wrongly prefer to choose what we assume to be true.
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Are you certain this can adequately account for all of our error?
What about when we choose what we believe to be false? (Just for the heck of it?)
Those influences negate the possibility of "free will" because they are in fact the strongest influences and that is why we prefer to choose them.
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So there is no room for true creativity in your model? :confused:
 
seattlegal said:
Are you certain this can adequately account for all of our error?
What about when we choose what we believe to be false? (Just for the heck of it?)
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Whatever has the strongest influence on your mind is what you will always choose, whether it be true or false.

So there is no room for true creativity in your model? :confused:
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There will be as much creativity in everyone as the strongest influences dictate. Some humans, like Edison, had many creative thoughts that were the strongest influence in his life. These thoughts CAUSED him to prefer to create many things.
 
The strongest influence in my life right now is to watch my Toronto Blue Jays play Philadelphia between taking the time to post on this forum. That is why I don't immediately post a response every time.
GO BLUE JAYS :)
 
Marsh said:
Apparently, you are not married. Trust me: if you were married, you'd kick your own a&& for saying that. :p
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I've been happily married for 47 years because my preference has always been to please my wife.
 
nativeastral said:
congratulations on your long and happy marriage [btw l never usually do this!]
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Thanks

What do you never usually do, congratulate anyone?
Must be the strongest influence kicking in. :)

Blue Jays 2, Philly 1, top of the third
 
Intuitively it may seem that our actions are always predicated by overwhelming forces, but this is not necessarily provable. Assuming that every action you take relies upon the sum of previous forces, you create a set of choices that you will make in your lifetime, each depending upon the previous, and this is like a trivial formal math system in which choice #1 plus choice #2 makes choice #3 inevitable. Any such system, will be incomplete -- with axioms that are unprovable. The famous Incompleteness Theorems show that in any trivial formal system (assuming the set of inevitable choices in a person's lifetime is one) show that this must be true. In fact, you cannot prove or say that every action you take is predetermined. You are making a guess.
 
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