Agreed. Mee, you have no authority, nor inside information that allows you to slam others for their beliefs. And you are pushing the envelope of tolerance here at CR. Suggest you back off...
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Mee was using my original post when he called the Trinity "idiotic" (I said the idea that to be a Christian you can't think for yourself is idiotic); he just went waaaaaaay overboard. The overwhelming majority of Christians believe in the Trinity. It was my understanding that this site was not about pushing your religion on others, but openly sharing ideas. Please keep it that way. I was (rightfully) very offended by your post, but I forgive you, and I appreciate the others who took a stand against the name calling. So far I've been impressed by my fellow bloggers. 
Ummm, the "Chicken soup for the soul" series has helped a great deal of people find God, and is manmade doctrine...So, your statement that Christians reading manmade doctrine are not real Christians is to put it lightly, in error.When it comes to christians ,they would have to be sticking to the teachings of Jesus and not be taking on manmade doctrines , because to do that would mean that they were not really christians at all . its not about memorizing bible verses its about putting the bible and what it REALLY teaches into practice . and the true christian congregation that is organized to do what Jesus said to do ,is organized indeed .
And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 28 18;-20
yes the ones who are faithful to what jesus said, are very organized indeed.
and as Jesus said in matthew 24;14 the GOODNEWS will be preached in all the inhabited earth ,
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.matthew 24;14
so rather than spreading idiotic ideas such as the TRINITY ,HELLFIRE ,ECT ECT
THE REAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS SPREADING THE REAL MESSAGE AND IT IS VERRRRY GOOD
when it comes to real bible thoughts we dont need out own thoughts ,because the thoughts of God are better.
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when you mentioned idiotic ideas and thoughts, it just made me think about the thoughts of man that have given birth to doctrines of men , and those thoughts have misled many over the centuries, and they have even mixed those thoughts and ideas up with true bible teaching,and it has made a very big confusion indeed .
Interesting. Some might say the same thing goes for the Watch Tower Tracts...however that would be for only the last century and a half...when you mentioned idiotic ideas and thoughts, it just made me think about the thoughts of man that have given birth to doctrines of men , and those thoughts have misled many over the centuries, and they have even mixed those thoughts and ideas up with true bible teaching,and it has made a very big confusion indeed .
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As long as the teachings are inline with the bible then there is no problem , the problems start when the teachings are not inline with the bible .
and back in the 4th centuries many manmade ideas and traditions started to be put to the fore , but the apostasy started about 300 years after christs death.
and many have been led astray by manmade thoughts over the years , getting back to what the bible REALLY teaches is the way to go .
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knowing the true God leads to everlasting life .JOHN 17;3 and it is the truth , the truth sets people free from manmade doctrines , and leads to EVERLASTING LIFE .and we know what REVELATION 18;4 says GET OUT OF HER . the thing to get out of ,is the symbolic woman in the book of revelation.
and she has an empire world wide, in fact she IS a worldwide empire of false religion.
and any religion with babyloniish teachings in it are false .
thats why God said in revelation 18;4 GET OUT OF HER.and he was talking to his people when he said that .
i am out of her .
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Thank you!!! I find it interesting that Mee is even on this site, since he seems so convinced of his own inerrancy. While I claim to be Christian, I never once claimed that one particular church or branch of Christianity had it all right. Where is the humility that Jesus embodied? I know you think you are fighting some kind of holy war, Mee, but perhaps you've chosen the wrong place to do it. I trust God that He will reveal the Truth to each of us, if we are truly seeking Him. I do not, however, believe the way He does that is to use people such as yourself to knock on doors and mock others. While you may think you are doing God's work and suffering in the knowledge that you and your Society have it all figured out, you are really just alienating the rest of the world even further from your ideas.
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and i should think not ,that is why he sent us out to to give GOODNEWS and to point to what the bible teaches inline with Jesus .
its all about GOODNEWS And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” matthew 28;19-20
and you will notice that they were to teach them everything that Jesus taught . and then it will put people on the right track instead of being led astray by manmade centuries old traditions of man .
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believe it or not ,there is only one branch of true christianity. God has always used just one channel , the early christian congregation was it . he didnt use all religions he always used just one . Before the christian congregation was formed he used the nation of israel but they did not want to go the way Jehovah planned (JESUS) yes individuals from the natural Jews did take on board what Jesus said , but for the most part the religious leaders rejected Jesus .
there is always one channel that Jesus feeds in a spiritual way ,and it is always FAITHFUL ONES MATTHEW 24;45-47
looking to the right channel will lead to EVERLASTING LIFE john 17;3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
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so are you saying that you think HELLFIRE is not idiotic.?
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Whatever. I can't talk to you anymore, Mee. Consider me yet another person driven away by the Watchtower.
And btw, I think Blazn was objecting to your rudeness, not just what you were saying.
And btw, I think Blazn was objecting to your rudeness, not just what you were saying.
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i like to make known about the kingdom to people from all different religions , just as Jesus did .and many people who belong to different religions never get to hear the truth about JW thats because they are told by there religious leaders to not talk to JW or even told lies about us
yes many have been blinded by those who dont want the truth to be made known .
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i dont think it is rudeness to make know that the God of the bible is not into HELLFIRE .
in fact i would rather put God in a good light, than to tell lies about the God of the bible .
how any so called christian could say that the God of the bible BURNS PEOPLE IN A LITRAL HELLFIRE is beyond me . and it is lies indeed .
the watchtower mag is a mag that points to the truth of the bible. but many do not like the truth of the bible and that is their choice .
It is rudeness, because it is your opinion, not based on fact. It is because you have a habit of putting down anyone who does not believe as you do. That is plain rudeness. What you've also done is made sure that anyone here who get's fed up with JW doctrine will not give another JW the time of day, should they come to the door step.
A preconceived notion has been developed because of your stubborn refusal to dialogue as opposed to regurgitate doctrine.
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I had a JW visit me yesterday, ahhh! He's coming back in a week or two, I think? I'll listen to him, and be a good host, so mee hasn't fed me up, yet.
I do agree that it is rude to degrade others for what they believe, or to call one's beliefs idiotic. We all have our views, and they are our own to bear; it doesn't help matters when they are being made fun of, so.I do disagree with the hell doctrine, but that is just me... ....
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mee, no, I do not think that Jesus would want Christians telling other Christians that they are idiotic for believing in the trinity.
I don't expect that this will make any difference to how you see things, but that is all right. You can continue to believe what you will; I have no attachment to changing your mind. But I did feel called to speak mine.
Paul preached that even if we feel we are right in our particular practices, we should not cause our brother to stumble by confusing him, deterring him from his walk of faith by meddling in the details.
I think there is a difference between expressing a diversity of ideas with the intent of us as the Body of Christ lifting one another up and loving one another as we all try to find the truth... and calling one another idiots in the name of spreading the Good News.
One of the biggest reasons non-Christians tell me they don't "buy" Christianity is this back-biting and judging and know-it-all attitude that Christians have towards each other. So many Christians have left the church or become solitary practitioners for the same reason. I avoided churches for years until I found on CR Christians that were loving toward me and reminded me that I had more in common with most other Christians than I had thought. I continued to follow Christ in that time, but I was so tired of feeling attacked by people who should have been kind to me. If we are following Christ, shouldn't we then be loving toward each other, encouraging, uplifting? Shouldn't we focus on the practical ethics of being Christ to others and serving one another rather than arguing about doctrinal issues and playing the "who-is-outside-the-fold" game?
Yes, Jesus was quite pointed about some things in the Gospels. He corrected people all the time. But then, He had all the answers and you do not. Just as I do not. That is why it is important for Christians to above all love one another, encourage each other in our faith, and make sure that our practices do not cause our brothers and sisters to stumble. I never want to drive people away from Christ because of my attitude.
You say there is only one channel. Yes, there is. CHRIST is it. Not you, not the Watchtower, not the JW church, not the early Christian congregation (which was diverse, too, by the way- if you would study up on early church history)... NO single church has ever been or will ever be the "one channel" to God. The real church is the Body of Christ, who is all Christians regardless of affiliation- those who have died to self and found everlasting life in Jesus Christ. It is all those for whom Christ sacrificed Himself. No one can know who these people are but God. No man-made institution (which all churches are) writes The Book of Life, and no church is the way to God.
CHRIST is our way, our truth, and our light. All of us who follow Him are following that one way.
I don't expect that this will make any difference to how you see things, but that is all right. You can continue to believe what you will; I have no attachment to changing your mind. But I did feel called to speak mine.
Paul preached that even if we feel we are right in our particular practices, we should not cause our brother to stumble by confusing him, deterring him from his walk of faith by meddling in the details.
I think there is a difference between expressing a diversity of ideas with the intent of us as the Body of Christ lifting one another up and loving one another as we all try to find the truth... and calling one another idiots in the name of spreading the Good News.
One of the biggest reasons non-Christians tell me they don't "buy" Christianity is this back-biting and judging and know-it-all attitude that Christians have towards each other. So many Christians have left the church or become solitary practitioners for the same reason. I avoided churches for years until I found on CR Christians that were loving toward me and reminded me that I had more in common with most other Christians than I had thought. I continued to follow Christ in that time, but I was so tired of feeling attacked by people who should have been kind to me. If we are following Christ, shouldn't we then be loving toward each other, encouraging, uplifting? Shouldn't we focus on the practical ethics of being Christ to others and serving one another rather than arguing about doctrinal issues and playing the "who-is-outside-the-fold" game?
Yes, Jesus was quite pointed about some things in the Gospels. He corrected people all the time. But then, He had all the answers and you do not. Just as I do not. That is why it is important for Christians to above all love one another, encourage each other in our faith, and make sure that our practices do not cause our brothers and sisters to stumble. I never want to drive people away from Christ because of my attitude.
You say there is only one channel. Yes, there is. CHRIST is it. Not you, not the Watchtower, not the JW church, not the early Christian congregation (which was diverse, too, by the way- if you would study up on early church history)... NO single church has ever been or will ever be the "one channel" to God. The real church is the Body of Christ, who is all Christians regardless of affiliation- those who have died to self and found everlasting life in Jesus Christ. It is all those for whom Christ sacrificed Himself. No one can know who these people are but God. No man-made institution (which all churches are) writes The Book of Life, and no church is the way to God.
CHRIST is our way, our truth, and our light. All of us who follow Him are following that one way.
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I had a JW visit me yesterday, ahhh! He's coming back in a week or two, I think? I'll listen to him, and be a good host, so mee hasn't fed me up, yet.
I also think it is rude to go knocking on people's doors and expecting them to want to listen....
fortunatley my house is a "no go" zone for JW's lol...Trust me... He'll be back... Again, and again, and again..... You'll even get to meet alllll his friends, lucky you...