Solution for Humanity!!!

[islamis4u]

There are a few things that I would like to DIALOGUE with you about. I am a woman. I do not wear Hijab but I also do NOT wear mini skirts. I have respect for myself and for my body. If any man tried to rape me they would be missing an eyeball or a testical before the rape was over.

Muslim men rape muslim and non-muslim women all the time. They do not all respect women. The culture teaches that you do not have to respect women. Look at these links that support what I say.

Pak muslim girl and her mother was gang raped for 12 days for acquiring education

The New French Revolution , Population Of France Is Almost 10 Percent Muslim - CBS News

Muslim Gang Rapes and the Left Blames Us

Saudi woman who was gang raped gets 200 lashes and jailtime : LibNOT - News, Video, and Conservative Opinion

I feel sick to my stomach so Im not going to post anymore links. There are hundreds of links like these... I also know that muslim women dont usually report these crimes because to do so would certainly be death. So please do not say Islam respects women. You can say that SOME muslims respect women. No one that would circumsize a womans genetalia can be respectful of a woman.

I have gotten to this point in my post already that we should see the rate rather then see the number at which the people do in a society but rather you go to the numbers and get out 19.2% of the world are Muslims population of the world is : 6,706,993,152 (2008) you can then get the number of Muslims for real attitude of a society we see the % i do not know how many times i have to tell that i repeat myself again n again n same response comes giving me links... I never said all Muslims are pure or without any sins their are black sheeps in every society sister i admit Muslim May do commit rape.. but main thing is the rate okay here is the link

Rape statistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you say mostly Muslim women do not tell or open things like rape but still sister the rape rates in non-Muslim countries are too high... You know what , what make the Muslim to stop doing Rape is their religion, with admitting th fact that some being Muslims do rape but the percentage is very very low... After this post i thing second time im writing ill not repeat the statistics and all the stuff... The first thing you know what is main thing in it too help is that Allah SWT have told both Man and Woman their boundaries ... Im saying both...

 

[islamis4u]

My impression about Islam is that, more or less like Buddhism and other eastern religions, it emphazies the suppression of sin. While I speculate that religions having the tendency of suppressing sins are usually allowed to exist as a religion by God.

While sin suppressing is never the solution of salvation. Only the atonement of sins can be the solution. As a result, only Christianity is the true religion on earth.

I am just curious why laws in society are made?

 

[wil]

Islam is the solution for humanity, Islam answers all the question or problems this humanity have today Islam is the only religion of the world and true religion of the world Islam is the only religion of the world which not only tells the principles of living on this earth, like brotherhood, kindness to everyone including non-Muslims just to everyone including non-Muslims, the rights of women, Islam also tell us how to implement these golden principle, Islam is the only religion which teaches us practically how you can live achieve this all and Islam is the only religion which has it all from top to bottom every part of life is covered by Islam.

Namaste Islamis4u

You may be correct, Islam is for you. However I don't believe in any way shape or form Islam is the solution for all humanity unless and until Muslims and Islamists aroound the world join the fight against terrorism and oppression and begin defending human rights.

As Fatihful Servant posted above, rape of women as some relgious retribution needs to be condemned and these men tried and punished, not by me or mine but by you and yours.

Islamists must stand up and say that honor killings of a woman that was raped is ludicrous, that the offenders must be punished. That suicide bombings and stonings are not the way of the Muslim, and then maybe some of us will start listening. But this cannot be tho occasional cleric or this group of muslims standing from a podium. It must be on the warfronts, in the courts, on the television everywhere that the kidnappings, beheadings, torture, in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, wherever it is found will not tolerated and be stopped, and will be stopped by Muslims...

As it stands the silence of Muslims around the world, quietly letting the radicals take control and denigrate the teachings and beliefs will not mean Islam is the solution, but rather the end of Islam will be the solution.

 

[islamis4u]

Namaste Islamis4u

You may be correct, Islam is for you. However I don't believe in any way shape or form Islam is the solution for all humanity unless and until Muslims and Islamists aroound the world join the fight against terrorism and oppression and begin defending human rights.

As Fatihful Servant posted above, rape of women as some relgious retribution needs to be condemned and these men tried and punished, not by me or mine but by you and yours.

Islamists must stand up and say that honor killings of a woman that was raped is ludicrous, that the offenders must be punished. That suicide bombings and stonings are not the way of the Muslim, and then maybe some of us will start listening. But this cannot be tho occasional cleric or this group of muslims standing from a podium. It must be on the warfronts, in the courts, on the television everywhere that the kidnappings, beheadings, torture, in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, wherever it is found will not tolerated and be stopped, and will be stopped by Muslims...

As it stands the silence of Muslims around the world, quietly letting the radicals take control and denigrate the teachings and beliefs will not mean Islam is the solution, but rather the end of Islam will be the solution.

With respect that is very typical response i get always....I will get to it point by point first you should judge a religion with its teaching rather then the followers i know followers are representative of a religion but see the best person and best is Muhammad (P.B.U.H) thats first point with admitting that followers also does matter... Secondly why you see some dark parts of Muslims why not see good parts also...

I also admit that we should not also give any thing to people like you(not pointing out you generally) to raise finger at us... I admit their is some confusion in our society or Muslims about it but you should also know or admit the mistakes of western countries also they oppress so much that one sees no other reason other then to retaliate.... I don't want tell you that who created Taliban and used them i don't want to tell you what happened in Iraq happening in Kashmir in Palestine....

You know we Muslims believe that we are also getting away from our teachings also at the same time we are much better as a society wise... you know you say whats army is, it is a terrorist it self Taliban now are Terrorists and before were your heroes... anyways im not defending bad deeds or sins committed by any1 but we should also look to other side also what have you done to them before you got your win before and left them their with no education whats-so-ever and got away...Why do you not call Indian Army Terrorist secondly you know who created suicide attacks it were Tamil Tigers in Sri-lanka i have a full report of the non-Muslim terrorist other then what the official armies are doing... Palestine and Kashmir etc...(when i will find it i will paste it here) it will be more of political debate rather then Religious but suicide attacks are wrong in Islam and unjust beheading is also haram or say wrong... other point i should also give is if you seen a thread you take two points their are to ends their are two extremes likewise their are two extremists in a society (i personally disagree with it, cuz extremist Muslim is the one who believe in Islamic teachings and will not do any harm to others) like modernized extremist... you should agree to that....

I live in Pakistan and you know what, we say wrong if some Muslim do wrong and we are fighting against them but we should also see that what are your mistakes Guantanamo Bay has done Their is no Human rights their? what is happening in Israel is no human rights their in Kashmir no Human rights their? So you should put that in regards also...

Lastly if a Muslim do anything wrong that does not Mean religion is Wrong so i still stand that Islam is Solution for humanity

 

[wil]

Namaste Islamis4u,

I one hundred percent agree that it was the USA in supporting the Taliban fighters against the Russian takeover of Afgansitan... and I agree our standard American foriegn policy of 'our enemies enemy is our friend' is not the best policy in the world. So we used them, and when we no longer had a use for them we dropped them like a hot potato...and yes Osama got pissed and created plans against the US.

But when you have whole factions of a religion that have gone awry and they are still supported by the masses there is a problem.

In iour country the KKK claim to be Christian, and despite the fact as you indicate that there are many 'Christians' that are members. They are not acting in a Christian way.

But I do not defend the KKK in any way. What the US does against another country is not a sect or denomination of Christianity acting. It is the US. When the teachings of Islam are used to rally muslims to terrorist acts, when G!d is good is screamed over dead bodies....this is what I am discussing. And when you defend that....this is what I am discussing.

 

[nativeastral]

yes a proverbial can of worms war is, and historicism shows no government looks good in warfare garb but liberty and freedom incites the masses and its difficult if you are from a country that has experienced [multiple incursions, human fatalities, revolutions,bombing campaigns, state against the people with guns and viceversa etc] a history of raw war personally on your doorstep_ whether from within or without it affects the psyche of generations.

Watching the whole iran/west pre shah to the taliban murdering iranian diplomats in 1998...the stage has been set and each actors/agents have their plot..up to the twin towers 9/11. All parties have their agenda and seek allies that needs trust to build up...double dealing and rigid regimes whether religiously or secularly sanctioned becomes disclosed more or less instantly...enriched uranium...'all options on the table'.

nuclear enrichment still on so for some light relief
YouTube - FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD - Two Tribes(1983)


'dialogue of civilization' earlier began with a wrestling competition between US and Iran, which reminded me of frankie's wrestling vid

 

[islamis4u]

Namaste Islamis4u,

I one hundred percent agree that it was the USA in supporting the Taliban fighters against the Russian takeover of Afgansitan... and I agree our standard American foriegn policy of 'our enemies enemy is our friend' is not the best policy in the world. So we used them, and when we no longer had a use for them we dropped them like a hot potato...and yes Osama got pissed and created plans against the US.

But when you have whole factions of a religion that have gone awry and they are still supported by the masses there is a problem.

In iour country the KKK claim to be Christian, and despite the fact as you indicate that there are many 'Christians' that are members. They are not acting in a Christian way.

But I do not defend the KKK in any way. What the US does against another country is not a sect or denomination of Christianity acting. It is the US. When the teachings of Islam are used to rally muslims to terrorist acts, when G!d is good is screamed over dead bodies....this is what I am discussing. And when you defend that....this is what I am discussing.

look wil if you read my post i have never Defended the bad deeds of Muslims if they were in Islam.... it is a big sin in Quran to cuts some innocent person even if he or she is a non-Muslim.... i never defended suicide attack on innocent people( it can be though done on the enemy army) It is really bad and that what i said in above post i do not defend them..... but i was telling you to see both sides of the picture... that both are culprits but the one who starts is the bigger culprit.... but both are culprit at the end... Im not defending Osama again say not defending but have a big doubt that 9/11 was done by Muslims...or Osama....

About US brother you know who controls US more Jewish lobby controls US and Judaism is a religion and Jews may not come out like that but main politics controlled in US is by jewish people....

Brother you donot read my whole post as it said that Islam is not in any way the cause but some Muslims are getting away from the teachings of Islam and i know some are doing wrong but they are not Major... if they would be major then worlds biggest religion Islam would be under them.. and their is a still as i said in above post war going against them and our Religious scholars are backing them... So it isn't what you think...Im in Pakistan so i know that... Other thing like You yourself said US policy were bad then should i say i should i say i should not go to US because does not have good policy? i have to see their people rather then the US policy so in religion you see its teachings real teachings rather then some astray Muslims who got astray by the oppression against them by Some country controlled by Jewish Lobby and again say im not defending the bad deeds sin is sin who ever does it Muslim or non-Muslim so you see all sides of the picture and true Islamic Teachings never say to cut any1 innocent

 

[bananabrain]

About US brother you know who controls US more Jewish lobby controls US and Judaism is a religion and Jews may not come out like that but main politics controlled in US is by jewish people....

yes, and we're also shape-changing lizards from outer space. islamis4u, if we were half as powerful as you think we are i would have cameras in your house already. honestly, mate, all this is is a way of avoiding responsibility by blaming someone else. "it's the jews' fault!" is the oldest moan in the book and it's about as true as "we're all controlled by aliens from mars". i don't know what they're teaching you at this university of yours, possibly the conspiracy theories of david icke: David Icke Website - Home but clearly you have a lot to learn about the world outside islamabad.

sheesh.

b'shalom

bananabrain

b'shalom

 

[17th Angel]

I think there is more 'weight' in Jewish Influence/power in the states (Israel's "support" could be used I guess...) Then shapeshifters and aliens from Mars......

 

[bananabrain]

sure, jews are influential and powerful in the states. nobody's disputing that. but "jewish control"? it's a bit different. nobody goes on about "arab control" but i think oil has a larger voice than "israeli security considerations" do.

i'll pass over the extraordinarily rude health of the far right and neo-nazi movements in the US, too.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[17th Angel]

Yeah but, you can see how that can lead some To the conclusion that their influence and power does take a strangle hold on the leaders like pup-pats!!! You know... Just something to consider... :/ I don't see how mocking them with shapeshifters and aliens from Mars helps :/ Ya Zionist!

 

[Tao_Equus]

Yeah but, you can see how that can lead some To the conclusion that their influence and power does take a strangle hold on the leaders like pup-pats!!! You know... Just something to consider... :/ I don't see how mocking them with shapeshifters and aliens from Mars helps :/ Ya Zionist!

I have watched closely the response of BB to such questions. He likes to use the ridiculous to cover the facts. But I do not think he does so with design. Republican politics and planning have been led by a Jew, Henry Kissinger, for decades now but he has no qualms about cutting deals with fascists of any ideological persuasion. They happily collude with any religious group if it suits the plan. I cannot see that religion ever enters his/their thinking except as a means to their ends. Religion is for the plebiscites, the opium of the masses. These people prefer to get high on pure unadulterated power, I think them all without a shred of belief in them. How can they when they can see how easilly people are manipulated by it.

 

[bananabrain]

He likes to use the ridiculous to cover the facts.

yeah, because it's not at all possible that someone's beliefs might, in fact, be ridiculous themselves? come on, tao, i *know* you sign up to that one.

Republican politics and planning have been led by a Jew, Henry Kissinger, for decades now but he has no qualms about cutting deals with fascists of any ideological persuasion.

yes, like those fascists at the english lawn tennis association, who control all aspects of world tennis and the military-industrial complex via their fully-kitted-out set of corporate hospitality boxes, where such deals as the pricewaterhousecoopers merger, the rbs corporate rescue, woody allen's divorce, the world soccer hegemony of manchester united and russell crowe's oscar nomination were sealed. and did you see the faces in the crowd at the final on sunday?

scary stuff.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[Tao_Equus]

yeah, because it's not at all possible that someone's beliefs might, in fact, be ridiculous themselves? come on, tao, i *know* you sign up to that one.


yes, like those fascists at the english lawn tennis association, who control all aspects of world tennis and the military-industrial complex via their fully-kitted-out set of corporate hospitality boxes, where such deals as the pricewaterhousecoopers merger, the rbs corporate rescue, woody allen's divorce, the world soccer hegemony of manchester united and russell crowe's oscar nomination were sealed. and did you see the faces in the crowd at the final on sunday?

scary stuff.

b'shalom

bananabrain

BB are you really so studiously naive to think that those that rise to power do not do everything they can to maintain and increase it? Or do you just have a B in your skull-cap about anyone suggesting that any Jew can do any wrong? Because sometimes I really enjoy your posts but then they descend into these ridiculously constructed straw man arguments that leave me thinking you actually support these murderers.

 

[bananabrain]

BB are you really so studiously naive to think that those that rise to power do not do everything they can to maintain and increase it?

no, i'm not. and i'm sure you're right about some of these cases, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can therefore afford to make blanket pronouncements and not get poked.

Or do you just have a B in your skull-cap about anyone suggesting that any Jew can do any wrong?

nope, except when they are suggesting that someone jewish is doing something wrong not because he is a bad person, but because he is jewish and therefore in some way this compels or induces him to act in such a way. look at bernie madoff. throw away the key, i say. he's ruined many people's lives. but was he acting in accordance with any rule of jewish religion and not even religion, culture? absolutely not. was he contravening judaism in every way shape or form? absolutely. yet some people insist that this sort of thing is proof positive of jewish manipulation of world money. it disgusts me.

Because sometimes I really enjoy your posts but then they descend into these ridiculously constructed straw man arguments that leave me thinking you actually support these murderers.

i don't see how. my original post was aimed at the racist, anti-jewish lies that islamis4u is being systematically taught in the pakistani so-called-education system.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[Tao_Equus]

I was not making blanket statements about Jews, I alluded to the fact that the most powerful Jew in US history, Kissinger, did not give a damn about religion and would cut a deal with anyone. I fully appreciate and support you regarding ii4u's standard issue propaganda, but I just do not see that it helps to build straw man arguments in the way you tend to. But it is your style, so do not let me sway you.

 

[bananabrain]

straw-manning is not "my style", tao. *bathos*, on the other hand, is a key tool when attempting to show credulous people just how absurd their assertions appear. no thinking person could possibly take such stuff seriously - it belongs in the "crazy bucket" with the jews-are-reptiles-from-outer-space meme.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[17th Angel]

The jewish claw!

 

[Tao_Equus]

straw-manning is not "my style", tao. *bathos*, on the other hand, is a key tool when attempting to show credulous people just how absurd their assertions appear. no thinking person could possibly take such stuff seriously - it belongs in the "crazy bucket" with the jews-are-reptiles-from-outer-space meme.

b'shalom

bananabrain

Thank you BB!! I'll need to remember that for the next time I'm accused

 

[islamis4u]

yes, and we're also shape-changing lizards from outer space. islamis4u, if we were half as powerful as you think we are i would have cameras in your house already. honestly, mate, all this is is a way of avoiding responsibility by blaming someone else. "it's the jews' fault!" is the oldest moan in the book and it's about as true as "we're all
controlled by aliens from mars". i don't know what they're teaching you at this university of yours, possibly the conspiracy theories of david icke: David Icke Website - Home but clearly you have a lot to learn about the world outside islamabad.

This is trade mark of yours the post try to mislead the reader from what i wrote original offcourse i wrote that you took out

About US brother you know who controls US more Jewish lobby controls US and Judaism is a religion and Jews may not come out like that but main politics controlled in US is by jewish people....

this from my whole two posts which are these

With respect that is very typical response i get always....I will get to it point by point first you should judge a religion with its teaching rather then the followers i know followers are representative of a religion but see the best person and best is Muhammad (P.B.U.H) thats first point with admitting that followers also does matter... Secondly why you see some dark parts of Muslims why not see good parts also...

I also admit that we should not also give any thing to people like you(not pointing out you generally) to raise finger at us... I admit their is some confusion in our society or Muslims about it but you should also know or admit the mistakes of western countries also they oppress so much that one sees no other reason other then to retaliate.... I don't want tell you that who created Taliban and used them i don't want to tell you what happened in Iraq happening in Kashmir in Palestine....

You know we Muslims believe that we are also getting away from our teachings also at the same time we are much better as a society wise... you know you say whats army is, it is a terrorist it self Taliban now are Terrorists and before were your heroes... anyways im not defending bad deeds or sins committed by any1 but we should also look to other side also what have you done to them before you got your win before and left them their with no education whats-so-ever and got away...Why do you not call Indian Army Terrorist secondly you know who created suicide attacks it were Tamil Tigers in Sri-lanka i have a full report of the non-Muslim terrorist other then what the official armies are doing... Palestine and Kashmir etc...(when i will find it i will paste it here) it will be more of political debate rather then Religious but suicide attacks are wrong in Islam and unjust beheading is also haram or say wrong... other point i should also give is if you seen a thread you take two points their are to ends their are two extremes likewise their are two extremists in a society (i personally disagree with it, cuz extremist Muslim is the one who believe in Islamic teachings and will not do any harm to others) like modernized extremist... you should agree to that....

I live in Pakistan and you know what, we say wrong if some Muslim do wrong and we are fighting against them but we should also see that what are your mistakes Guantanamo Bay has done Their is no Human rights their? what is happening in Israel is no human rights their in Kashmir no Human rights their? So you should put that in regards also...

Lastly if a Muslim do anything wrong that does not Mean religion is Wrong so i still stand that Islam is Solution for humanity

and this:

look wil if you read my post i have never Defended the bad deeds of Muslims if they were in Islam.... it is a big sin in Quran to cuts some innocent person even if he or she is a non-Muslim.... i never defended suicide attack on innocent people( it can be though done on the enemy army) It is really bad and that what i said in above post i do not defend them..... but i was telling you to see both sides of the picture... that both are culprits but the one who starts is the bigger culprit.... but both are culprit at the end... Im not defending Osama again say not defending but have a big doubt that 9/11 was done by Muslims...or Osama....

About US brother you know who controls US more Jewish lobby controls US and Judaism is a religion and Jews may not come out like that but main politics controlled in US is by jewish people....

Brother you donot read my whole post as it said that Islam is not in any way the cause but some Muslims are getting away from the teachings of Islam and i know some are doing wrong but they are not Major... if they would be major then worlds biggest religion Islam would be under them.. and their is a still as i said in above post war going against them and our Religious scholars are backing them... So it isn't what you think...Im in Pakistan so i know that... Other thing like You yourself said US policy were bad then should i say i should i say i should not go to US because does not have good policy? i have to see their people rather then the US policy so in religion you see its teachings real teachings rather then some astray Muslims who got astray by the oppression against them by Some country controlled by Jewish Lobby and again say im not defending the bad deeds sin is sin who ever does it Muslim or non-Muslim so you see all sides of the picture and true Islamic Teachings never say to cut any1 innocent

This makes it misleading for the reader they think i only emphasised on one point only and you d that many times and ignore whole post take out of context and then try to take the topic some where else... Like topic something else you are going to Jewish lobby thing.... I stand by my statement but do read whole post do read whole post and then do reply if you want to have debate of jewsish lobby rather make another topic in Poltics and i will be very much obliged to reply you their but try not mislead reader .....

For your lil info i study Software Engineering and their is no subject of politics and Islamiyat so do not spend much time thinkin about that .. though We study pure computer Subjects...