Solution for Humanity!!!

[islamis4u]

I am sorry for my basic english. I do type with little regard for who is reading it .I am sorry. My question is this. In your opinion how would a woman be regarded if she was the mother of some children and she had not ever married. I am curious to know how this woman would live under muslim life. and would her children be accepted in the community. Where I live, it is a almost normal situation. It doesnt make this woman a bad person to me. What do you think?

All the mistake is not yours but i bit mine also i also have lil poor english.
Sister(i think you are female), the thing is that just take an example God Forbide, that you have a brother whom you love very much but a girl she married have already children without marrying anyone else.

I would be clear if a man or woman have been proved to have done [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica]NON-MARITAL SEX[/FONT][/FONT] he or she would be sentenced to have 80 lashes according to Islamic Law. You would say it is barbaric i would tell you this is equal for both man and woman , if woman has not played a part in it or man with pressure did that than man will be stoned to death and the woman would be said nothing and would have same respect.
No difference between man and woman. If you see if one person is sentenced to death like this it will decrease this kind of act this brings shame to a family. If one is sentenced then no one other would think of doing this it is wrong in Islam.

Having said so i tell you a story, a Companion of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) came to Him(pbuh) and said i he have committed sex other then his wife and he asked for punishment... you know what He(pbuh) that you should hided this and would have asked forgiveness from God Almighty and Allah Almighty have forgive him and he would have saved from this punishment. This tells us not some Muslim which have done [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]premarital sex, and this is not revealed to any of other then them two he or she if ask Forgiveness from Allah Almighty and with a thing in mind that he or she will not do it again they will be saved from punishment and will get forgiveness.

It is also in bible about a woman committing adultery
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[islamis4u]

Namaste Islamis4u,

thank you for the post.

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it teaches them directly to students through the Suttas and through the instruction of monks and nuns. if you are asking about specific teachings regarding these things i could find those for you if necessary though you'd need to narrow down your question a bit.

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that's not a question, that's a statement. one which is demonstrably false, i may add.

respect for any being comes from the individual being.




the right to vote. the right to self determination, the right to determine how they want to live their lives, for starters.

it is the same that independence for males allows for. seperating human beings by their gender into society roles seems archaic and outdated.

it sounds like you are suggesting that women should not be free to make their own choices and to be fully participating members of society, is that a fair assessement of your view?



that the American legal system makes its records public is the problem that you are having. how many women are raped in Islamic socieites? there was even a very recent case where a woman and man were both gang raped in Saudi Arabia and the woman was punished!!! the rapists were let go and the man that was sodomized was put into prison!! can you imagine that?! being the victim of a hate crime and put into prison for it.

why, however, would you focus on the negative? do you think that it supports your point? you are not so keen to have people focus on the negative parts of Islam as you, i think, indicated that this gives people the wrong view of Islam. i would suggest the same to you, focusing on the negative aspects of Western socieites will lead you to the wrong view.



yes, i do. but i don't think that you do.

the problem is not with the women but with the men for having such lustful and bad intentions. if you are seriously suggesting that men do not look at women in hijabs with lust or bad intent then you are seriously deluding yourself.



i think you indicated that this was a question asked by all Indians, not all Indian non-Muslims, even though i presumed that is what you were talking about. in any event, it is only vegetarians that would be concerned about such things not all Indians.



thank you!

i would ask that, since you agree, that you not fall into the Muslim apologists trap of thinking Al Qur'an is a science book? it only reflects poorly upon Al Qur'an.



i have no desire to educate you on the Scientific Method nor why your use of the terms "theory" and "hypothesis" are incorrect.

i will tell you this. if you think that a nebula is smoke then you don't know what smoke is nor what nebula are.



not all western media does this. you realize that Al Jazzera is broadcasting in the West, right?



i think this is your own view. there are plenty of terrorists that are not Muslims, the IRA for instance, are not Muslims. Action Direct are not Muslim, the Red Brigade are not Muslim. terrorists that declare themselves to be Muslim are Muslim terrorists.



yet Muslims claim to have done it. you can argue with them about whether or not they are Muslims.

i think your view of the Muslim terrorist issue is clouded by your affiliation to the tradition. of course not all terrorists are Muslims nor are all Muslims terrorists. i would be happy to read, though shocked, any major media publication that was stating that all Muslims were terrorists. i don't think that there are any but, if you can show me, i will write letters to their editors and explain how they are incorrect.

metta,

~v

One example about Islam i would like to give is that we stand side by side in the mosque their is no distinction in color rich poor or race all are equal to Allah Almighty, we are said to join or foot with each other, we should join our shoulder as much as we could who ever stand beside you, like this one you have? Practically.

About choice of which of her husband she have, but about clothes it is little specific that it should not make opposite sex attract towards her.





sorry but i will reply other later i have a head ache right now here it is 4.09am and may be my reply would come later because of my studies schedule i have.

 

[Dah-veeth]

One wonderful thing in islam is that Islam believes in all the prophet and Islam is only religion that have respect for Jesus(pbuh) other then Christian themselves.

I do love Islam (and Christianity (and Judaism)) and... and...

Baha'is believe Jesus is the Messiah, just as it says in the Qur'an. It's often translated with a lower-case "m," but Arabic doesn't have upper and lower-case.

Solution for humanity?

Love Muslims and Jews!
Love Christians and Hindus!
Love Buddhsts and Baha'is!
Love humanity and there will be unity!

 

[Azure24]

Yeah! just like my favourite quote:

"My nationality is the world, my religion is to do good!"

 

[Dah-veeth]

Yeah! just like my favourite quote:

"My nationality is the world, my religion is to do good!"

I love it!

That reminds me of three quotes, I hope you don't mind...

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -Baha'u'llah

"Ye dwell in one world, and have been created through the operation of one Will. Blessed is he who mingleth with all men in a spirit of utmost kindliness and love." -Baha'u'llah

"God's purpose in sending His Prophets unto men is twofold. The first is to liberate the children of men from the darkness of ignorance, and guide them to the light of true understanding. The second is to ensure the peace and tranquillity of mankind, and provide all the means by which they can be established." -Baha'u'llah

 

[greymare]

thank you for replying islamis4u to my question. Under islamic law, I would be dead. I find the bible interesting reading as well, but I am not committed to any faith so, the only higher power that I answer to is myself ( and my mum) . But, thank you for you honest anwswer.

 

[islamis4u]

thank you for replying islamis4u to my question. Under islamic law, I would be dead. I find the bible interesting reading as well, but I am not committed to any faith so, the only higher power that I answer to is myself ( and my mum) . But, thank you for you honest anwswer.

I welcome you and about answering okay right it is your view.

 

[bananabrain]

I would be clear if a man or woman have been proved to have done NON-MARITAL SEX he or she would be sentenced to have 80 lashes according to Islamic Law. You would say it is barbaric i would tell you this is equal for both man and woman, if woman has not played a part in it or man with pressure did that than man will be stoned to death and the woman would be said nothing and would have same respect.
No difference between man and woman.

as you say - no difference. it is a barbaric sentence applied to either sex. this really doesn't help your argument. and what happens if one of the people involved can't be lashed for medical reasons? can one be fined instead?

If you see if one person is sentenced to death like this it will decrease this kind of act this brings shame to a family. If one is sentenced then no one other would think of doing this it is wrong in Islam.

gosh, what a nice guy. so you're going to have people killed as a deterrent. they do that a lot in the US - and in iran. there's no evidence it stops people committing crimes. as for "it brings shame to a family" - my family would never want me killed for bringing shame to it and if your family would then i don't think much of them. this is exactly what i meant in the other thread when i said pakistan was a basket case. until people grown the hell up and act like adults the cycle of stupid, retributory violence will continue. and you think this is "islamic"? my G!D, muhammad must be spinning in his grave, surely this isn't what he had in mind. what an appalling way to think.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[greymare]

now that ive given it some thought i have realized that I dont have to be concerned about being stoned to death at all if I was in Pakistan. I wouldnt have been born either as my mother wasnt married when she had me. so, she would have been stoned to death first. I like to think that my mum and myself have made a contribution to this planet that would have otherwise been lacking. Its a pity that death is the result of unmarital sexual activity in your country, especially when it is something of an overrated pasttime. LOL. I am very lucky to be born in this country, and to be brought up by the best parents in the world. I hope I have the same luck next time around. LOL.

 

[17th Angel]

Ok, then "telling".

No I agree in SOME forms they are perhaps forced or told... But the real way of Islam, I would say "choose".....

 

[islamis4u]

thank you for the post.

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it teaches them directly to students through the Suttas and through the instruction of monks and nuns. if you are asking about specific teachings regarding these things i could find those for you if necessary though you'd need to narrow down your question a bit.

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that's not a question, that's a statement. one which is demonstrably false, i may add.

respect for any being comes from the individual being.




the right to vote. the right to self determination, the right to determine how they want to live their lives, for starters.


it is the same that independence for males allows for. seperating human beings by their gender into society roles seems archaic and outdated.

it sounds like you are suggesting that women should not be free to make their own choices and to be fully participating members of society, is that a fair assessement of your view?

I replied this and adding something that look every person have to play a part to improve a society okay so everyone jointly have to do something that it could improve the society if it is that then in any way he or she can!! look Islam do tell you what to wear it just prescribe you the limit in which you can choose so that you and also society would be save from that factor!!!!It saves the woman from the male lust eyes!!

that the American legal system makes its records public is the problem that you are having. how many women are raped in Islamic socieites? there was even a very recent case where a woman and man were both gang raped in Saudi Arabia and the woman was punished!!! the rapists were let go and the man that was sodomized was put into prison!! can you imagine that?! being the victim of a hate crime and put into prison for it.

One thing is also noted in the report is that the least rate of rape in countries are those which are Islamic okay!!!! I say their would be some rapes but not many in Muslim countries as non-muslim countries have many!!! It is due to the teachings!!!

why, however, would you focus on the negative? do you think that it supports your point? you are not so keen to have people focus on the negative parts of Islam as you, i think, indicated that this gives people the wrong view of Islam. i would suggest the same to you, focusing on the negative aspects of Western socieites will lead you to the wrong view.

Islam have no negative aspect!!!

the problem is not with the women but with the men for having such lustful and bad intentions. if you are seriously suggesting that men do not look at women in hijabs with lust or bad intent then you are seriously deluding yourself.

I tell yes you are right i say that man should also have to have right gaze you know before saying to woman to doing so Quran teaches man to lower their gaze when they see any woman muslim or non-muslim, but you it is not only with man you both man and woman have to play a part in it okay!! Islam strongly says to man to lower their gaze!!! If a woman is in Islamic dress then tell me what are they looking at? a piece of cloth you i may agre again for your sake but it stops 55% to the man to seeing a woman!!
You just give me answer in one and two that a girl with mini skirt 1 and girl in hijab second 2 whom they will put more bad eyes on just give me answer in 1 and 2 i would not entertain any other playing with words okay!!!

i would ask that, since you agree, that you not fall into the Muslim apologists trap of thinking Al Qur'an is a science book? it only reflects poorly upon Al Qur'an.



i have no desire to educate you on the Scientific Method nor why your use of the terms "theory" and "hypothesis" are incorrect.

i will tell you this. if you think that a nebula is smoke then you don't know what smoke is nor what nebula are.

By saying so that Quran is not book of science it is book of signs i also say that it have scientific signs but no unscientific sign in it!!!!!

not all western media does this. you realize that Al Jazzera is broadcasting in the West, right?

I do not listen to al jazzera saying and do not know much about it!!

i think this is your own view. there are plenty of terrorists that are not Muslims, the IRA for instance, are not Muslims. Action Direct are not Muslim, the Red Brigade are not Muslim. terrorists that declare themselves to be Muslim are Muslim terrorists.



yet Muslims claim to have done it. you can argue with them about whether or not they are Muslims.

i think your view of the Muslim terrorist issue is clouded by your affiliation to the tradition. of course not all terrorists are Muslims nor are all Muslims terrorists. i would be happy to read, though shocked, any major media publication that was stating that all Muslims were terrorists. i don't think that there are any but, if you can show me, i will write letters to their editors and explain how they are incorrect.

Im saying the same thing the thing is that the western media do not just directly point out this but what do is indirectly okay like making terrorist act to make the picture like it is done by Muslims or they if any done which actually not done by Muslims to be put in highlight so much that it make others will to think that Muslims are terrorist i again say they do not say directly you its a trick okay and if any non-Muslim act of terrorism is found they do not point out or highlight it much!!!!

 

[islamis4u]

as you say - no difference. it is a barbaric sentence applied to either sex. this really doesn't help your argument. and what happens if one of the people involved can't be lashed for medical reasons? can one be fined instead?

It is Islamic law and what God sent us!! Okay who are you to say us that it is wrong!!!! He may be saved from the lashes under what the situation is!!!

gosh, what a nice guy. so you're going to have people killed as a deterrent. they do that a lot in the US - and in iran. there's no evidence it stops people committing crimes.

You may have to compare the rape rate then okay in these country every 32 seconds a woman is raped in America it is report of 1996 now it would have increased!!! It may not have stopped the crime but it helps much in stopping it!! Least rate of rape are in the Muslim countries!! it is not barbaric okay!! if you know that something will have this end or result in thing or your act which you are doing will result in a thing then why you do that? you will blamed you knew that and then you did that!!!! If punishment is not the right way then you tell me the right way a strong punishment can only stop it!!!! Then i would we should jail a person who robes it is barbaric!! if you say that sex done by two persons man and woamn with agreeing both of them is right i do not say anything!!!
Okay tell me that if a man godforbide god forbide rape your mother or your sister or your wife what will you do with him then be practical okay!!!

as for "it brings shame to a family" - my family would never want me killed for bringing shame to it and if your family would then i don't think much of them. this is exactly what i meant in the other thread when i said pakistan was a basket case. until people grown the hell up and act like adults the cycle of stupid, retributory violence will continue.

and you think this is "islamic"? my G!D, muhammad must be spinning in his grave, surely this isn't what he had in mind. what an appalling way to think

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What are you doing why do you think you are right if you are right that do not mean other is wrong this is what you said, you willl now come and teach me urdu we know what Islam is, your other post can answer these questions which is posed by you!!!

 

[islamis4u]

Think that a beautiful naked woman comes in front of you and invite you to do something wrong how can you control yourself be practical you know you are a man!!! If you know something excitation of someone to call to sex is done by a seeing a sexual figure you may know so!!
this was not on any cost make this post with so much in like that but to clear that look both have to play a part i it a man can not only be blamed for it!!!!

add these words in azure24 reply i have given it was not editing so i have to make a new post

 

[islamis4u]

No I agree in SOME forms they are perhaps forced or told... But the real way of Islam, I would say "choose".....

i do not know what you meant by real way of Islam i say yes Islam do not infiorce but tell some limits of Islamic hijab and it is in Surah Ahzab

 

[greymare]

Im am just pointing out a difference here. But, when I walk down the street or in a public place I look people directly in the eye and smile. I usually get a smile or a 'good morning" in return. It is lovely and friendly and it says to the world. HELLO. IM HERE . I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL. If people do not meet my gaze I do not think badly of them. Its just the way that they are. but, I am curious ,islamis4u, if everyone walked around and as soon as they see a member of the opposite sex they lower their eyes, how would they feel if someone who was like me (eye contact) was in their midst? To me, if people dont look me in the eye, its disrespectful, I think that maybe I cant trust them, that they might be hiding something. Do you understand what I mean? I also prefer people to look me in the eyes when they are talking to me, or listening to me. Its an effective way to tell if someone is lying or not. It is also respectful and means that you are paying attention to what is being said. In my job, we are taught to always meet the customers eyes and smile .We are encouraged to make eye contact, its just very curious to me that your culture is totally opposite. Like I said, Im just pointing out the differences. curious, isnt it?

 

[Saltmeister]

You may have to compare the rape rate then okay in these country every 32 seconds a woman is raped in America it is report of 1996 now it would have increased!!!

Ok, fine. Have it your way. A woman is raped every 32 seconds.

But consider this. There are 86,400 seconds in a day and 365 days in a year. This means that a potential 985,500 women in the U.S. are raped per year. The figure may actually be lower considering that some women may be raped twice or more times each year, so it may really be 200,000.

The total U.S. population is over 200 million. Half of them are women, so there are just over 100 million women. 985,500 is less than 1% of 100 million, so the other 99% of the total population of women in the U.S. are not being raped.

Rape is definitely a problem, but it only affects a small portion of the total population. The U.S. is a big country. Having a woman raped every 32 seconds isn't frequent enough to be a big social problem. The other 99% of the population of men and women are busy making themselves useful going to work and making money.

Been visiting a lot of night clubs and stripper clubs lately? Well you have probably only seen less than 1% of America. How do you know if the rest of America isn't a holy paradise? How long have you actually lived in the U.S.?

Listening to what local religious leaders say about a country far, far away doesn't necessarily make you knowledgeable about the actual reality there. It is easy for adherents of a particular religion to think that others are corrupt, decadent, and drooling away with lustful orgies, but such a life is expensive. They may not be adherents of a particular religion, but that doesn't mean that they don't desire good behaviour in others, and if you live in a society where people expect you to behave, you don't go around having sex irresponsibly. It may cost you your job and livelihood.

You don't have to be religious to desire good behaviour in others, or to want to behave. There is such thing as a virtuous man and virtuous woman in the U.S., and it is a way of thinking followed by 99% of the population. Some are religious, some or not. Some are atheists.

It's easy to think that because Americans are wealthier than those in your country that they are behaving badly because they have time to have fun. But the reality is, most of them behave themselves. Americans are not rich enough, yet, to be blissfully naughty with sex.

Ever heard of erectile dysfunction? A lot of people in Western countries aren't happy with the sex they are getting. Men with trouble maintaining erections. Prostate cancer and the need to deal with it. The problems in one's career.....Men and women not understanding each other's emotional needs and not meeting them in the other person. Bad or not enough foreplay. Women not reaching orgasm and getting turned off prematurely.....and premature ejaculation

For a lot of people, sex is a chore.....it is a maintenance job.....it is a disappointment.....a cause of depression......a sign of failure.....an utter nuisance.

 

[islamis4u]

Ok, fine. Have it your way. A woman is raped every 32 seconds.

But consider this. There are 86,400 seconds in a day and 365 days in a year. This means that a potential 985,500 women in the U.S. are raped per year. The figure may actually be lower considering that some women may be raped twice or more times each year, so it may really be 200,000.

The total U.S. population is over 200 million. Half of them are women, so there are just over 100 million women. 985,500 is less than 1% of 100 million, so the other 99% of the total population of women in the U.S. are not being raped.

Rape is definitely a problem, but it only affects a small portion of the total population. The U.S. is a big country. Having a woman raped every 32 seconds isn't frequent enough to be a big social problem. The other 99% of the population of men and women are busy making themselves useful going to work and making money.

Been visiting a lot of night clubs and stripper clubs lately? Well you have probably only seen less than 1% of America. How do you know if the rest of America isn't a holy paradise? How long have you actually lived in the U.S.?

Listening to what local religious leaders say about a country far, far away doesn't necessarily make you knowledgeable about the actual reality there. It is easy for adherents of a particular religion to think that others are corrupt, decadent, and drooling away with lustful orgies, but such a life is expensive. They may not be adherents of a particular religion, but that doesn't mean that they don't desire good behaviour in others, and if you live in a society where people expect you to behave, you don't go around having sex irresponsibly. It may cost you your job and livelihood.

You don't have to be religious to desire good behaviour in others, or to want to behave. There is such thing as a virtuous man and virtuous woman in the U.S., and it is a way of thinking followed by 99% of the population. Some are religious, some or not. Some are atheists.

It's easy to think that because Americans are wealthier than those in your country that they are behaving badly because they have time to have fun. But the reality is, most of them behave themselves. Americans are not rich enough, yet, to be blissfully naughty with sex.

Ever heard of erectile dysfunction? A lot of people in Western countries aren't happy with the sex they are getting. Men with trouble maintaining erections. Prostate cancer and the need to deal with it. The problems in one's career.....Men and women not understanding each other's emotional needs and not meeting them in the other person. Bad or not enough foreplay. Women not reaching orgasm and getting turned off prematurely.....and premature ejaculation

For a lot of people, sex is a chore.....it is a maintenance job.....it is a disappointment.....a cause of depression......a sign of failure.....an utter nuisance.

I was talking about not the individual rape cases i was talking about the rate as it whole look im talking about rate remember rate okaay it is too high okay or more then that any other Muslim Country have i do not know if you understand what rate means!!!

I do not said all the Americans are like that but i say most of them are like that, look brother i just want to say that the lack of religious teachings give rise to this okay look brother i do not see you do no took any other point this means you agree to it then okay you just differ in this and agree to my all other points then?

Look i tell why the rape rate rate is so less in Muslim countries because they have religious teachings with them brother the teachings are so beautiful look brother look i say thousand times rape is wrong rape is rape is wrong this will never decrease the rape rate you know the thing which will do it is that something in your heart it will say look my God do not like this we must stop it or a strong punishment can decrease it if you have so strong punishment then ultimately it will decrease brother i say many in America stay away from sex, brother tell me the most deadest disease in the world is AIDS what are causes behind it? it is you know what!! Brother if someone apply Islamic teachings look how this problem can be decrease.

 

[islamis4u]

Im am just pointing out a difference here. But, when I walk down the street or in a public place I look people directly in the eye and smile. I usually get a smile or a 'good morning" in return. It is lovely and friendly and it says to the world. HELLO. IM HERE . I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL. If people do not meet my gaze I do not think badly of them. Its just the way that they are. but, I am curious ,islamis4u, if everyone walked around and as soon as they see a member of the opposite sex they lower their eyes, how would they feel if someone who was like me (eye contact) was in their midst? To me, if people dont look me in the eye, its disrespectful, I think that maybe I cant trust them, that they might be hiding something. Do you understand what I mean? I also prefer people to look me in the eyes when they are talking to me, or listening to me. Its an effective way to tell if someone is lying or not. It is also respectful and means that you are paying attention to what is being said. In my job, we are taught to always meet the customers eyes and smile .We are encouraged to make eye contact, its just very curious to me that your culture is totally opposite. Like I said, Im just pointing out the differences. curious, isnt it?

Yeah it is different and that is what im pointing out from my First post here the difference between western culture and Islamic culture!!! and i say yes you are only pointing our difference but i may tell you if you know about medical that someone get excited to do sex is by the gaze of an eye, a rape is also done by the excited person of opposite sex and excitation of a body of a person to do sex is done by the eye!!!

 

[greymare]

my friend , if someone has looked at me and raped me (IN THEIR MIND ONLY< NOT ACTUALLY) then that is their business. I cannot control what others think. You might think that this is a bit niave. Lustful thoughts are just that, lustful and thoughts, not necessarily actions. i have lustful thoughts regularly but I dont action them. most people dont. its called self control .

 

[17th Angel]

i do not know what you meant by real way of Islam i say yes Islam do not infiorce but tell some limits of Islamic hijab and it is in Surah Ahzab

I mean the free will choice of said faith... I am happy to be where I am, and I am more than happy to tell others of my faith... Sweet.... That to me is the true way live by example...... But to force your faith upon another or be blind to the fact that perhaps others may see it in a totally different light, a different way is the wrong way to roll. Demand by example....... So let's all try and live by example.... It takes everyone time brother.... Look at it like this...

Say there is a woman that is coming to Islam, but doesn't wear a hijab.... What do you see in that statement?




You read the statement? I bet you focused on the minor hijab fact? Not the fact that this woman is wanting to learn a way of peace.....? Make sense?