The Trinity, from the JW view.

Oh word, I am totally a beefcake.....


You see where I am coming from though? With people highlighting minor detail, this thread was started so Mee could explain his faith and his teachings, yet the endless nit picking prevails. Maybeh, if we all stopped demaning he believes like us, we will understand his ways and those questions in our sweet lil heads that baffle us may be explained......

Wouldn't dream of being blunt or ill mannered, but the topic does say.... From the JW view....

Meh ignore me, 2am or something need sleep... *crawls up wooden hill to land of pillows*
 
Alex P said:
Who's christianity? Your's? Thomas? Mee's? Westboro Baptists? KKK? Mormons? Who's christanity exactly.... So much division "Obfuscation matters".... :)
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Twisting the word of God matters.

Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead ...through him we have eternal life.

Cults and murderers are out.
 
Dream said:
... who really cares whether it was a stake or a criss-cross?
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Sorry to pick on you, Dream, but your comment seems to echo what others are saying.

In the book "The Two Babylons" a point was made about a pagan god Tammuz. People were sacrificed to Tammuz, even back around Abraham's time. The letter "T" and its variants; "t", "+", swastika, celtic cross, etc, were in very ancient times associated with this pagan god and the human sacrifices done in his name.

There are those, Rev. Hislop (author of "The Two Babylons") among them, who think the idea of a cross was transposed onto the Roman stake at some point for certain reasons to help mollify a pagan audience into accepting a Christianity that was only recently legalized and still carried the stigma of Judaism.

But these are all academic arguments that have no bearing on salvation. As for accusations of lies...what is truth? What one wants to believe, what one is fed, or what actually happened? From where I sit, the choice is individual. But it is the results that matter. :)

"In Babylonia, the month Tammuz was established in honor of the eponymous god Tammuz, who originated as an Akkadian shepherd-god, Dumuzid or Dumuzi, the consort of Ishtar and the parallel of the Syrian Adonis who was drawn into the Greek pantheon.
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Orthoprax: Tammuz; The Pagan God

This link reproduces a great part of the chapter in Hislop’s book.

The Two Babylons - The Sign of the Cross - Alexander Hislop

I have no axe to grind here. I could care less who knocks who over the head. But Hislop is a very learned and studied scholar, and his work has been further amended after his death to include other archeological finds. In short, his is the only argument I have heard to this discussion that actually has “in the field” research instead of a lot of opinion masquerading as truth. :p
 
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Alex P said:
I think it is a better echo, than the echo of ostracism... (Sorry I couldn't think of a lighter word.... *cringes*)
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I'm on your side in this, Alex. I think Mee should be allowed to present his view unmolested by the others. Especially in a thread titled to that end.

It never ceases to amaze me...who preaches the word...and who lives the word.

As James tells us: "Be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers only."
 
I thought the topic would have helped that, but I guess it makes people more curious and a kind of temptation to -have- to go in on the thread and give their 2 pence/cents Awesome bible quote I wanna do one too!!!

Luke 6:38 if you please!

"Give, and it shall be given to you. For whatever measure you deal out to others, it will be dealt to you in return."

Oh and that goes both ways ;)
 
:) so then back to the cross
A more important issue for true Christians should be the propriety of venerating the instrument used to kill Jesus.

Whether it was an upright single torture stake, a cross, an arrow, a lance, or a knife, should such an instrument be used in worship?


oh , just remembered this thread is about the trinity:)
 
OK back to the trinity :)


some may suggest that although Jesus did not spell out the Trinity doctrine, the apostle John did at 1 John 5:7, which, according to the King James Version, says: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


However, more modern versions omit this passage. Why?

The Catholic Jerusalem Bible explains in a footnote that this text is not found in any of the early Greek or the best Latin manuscripts of the Bible. It is spurious. It was added, no doubt, to try to support the Trinity.


oh dear , adding to the bible is a no no , all to try and support a doctrine of man. :( still it has been shown up as a falsehood and now it has been put right :)
 
mee said:
OK back to the trinity :)


some may suggest that although Jesus did not spell out the Trinity doctrine, the apostle John did at 1 John 5:7, which, according to the King James Version, says: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


However, more modern versions omit this passage. Why?

The Catholic Jerusalem Bible explains in a footnote that this text is not found in any of the early Greek or the best Latin manuscripts of the Bible. It is spurious. It was added, no doubt, to try to support the Trinity.


oh dear , adding to the bible is a no no , all to try and support a doctrine of man. :( still it has been shown up as a falsehood and now it has been put right :)
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Ok, I wont add one period to the bible:
DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: DEU 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

ISA 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. ISA 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

ISA 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

JOH 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him
(The Jews knew that Jesus claim in vs. 30 was that "He was God". Ergo, they wanted to stone him, the appropriate scriptural punishment for such blasphemy.)

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[SIZE=+0]ACT 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ACT 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

EXO 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. EXO 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.


You do the math...I don't have to. I already know the truth.

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Quahom1 said:
DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: DEU 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


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:)VERY TRUE INDEED :)


"Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. DEU 6;4


Or, "Jehovah is our God, Jehovah is one [or, there is one Jehovah]." Lit., "Jehovah our God [is] Jehovah one." Heb., Yehwah´ ’Elo·heh´nu Yehwah´ ’e·chadh´.

 
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