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Spreading the gospel is something you do out of love for the Lord and love for other people. quote]
very true indeed
The Trinity, from the JW view.
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mee
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and arguing that you're right, quote]
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mee
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fullfillment of bible prophecy and chronology .
yes its all happening in these the last days .pattimax
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Their Modern Development and Growth many things happened years ago but now in this time of the end things are moving a head very nicely. and it is all very good and inline with the bible which is even better
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"Each volunteer worker receives a small monthly reimbursement to cover incidental expenses."
... mee is on their payroll.
pattimax
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and arguing that you're right, quote]
True. Please limit your Watchtower postings to JW platforms.
Dream
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Mee, I am saying more than that. I'm saying don't believe that Jesus returned in 1914, and don't trust the people who told you that. Cut your losses, now; and ask for help from strangers.
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mee
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not meefrom link:
"Each volunteer worker receives a small monthly reimbursement to cover incidental expenses."
... mee is on their payroll.
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mee
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Mee, I am saying more than that. I'm saying don't believe that Jesus returned in 1914, quote]
Jesus was given kingship in 1914, in Gods heavenly kingdom ,DANIEL 2;44 DANIEL 7;13-14
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mee
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Should You Believe in the Trinity?Answers such questions as: What is the Trinity? Does the Bible teach it? Is Jesus Christ the Almighty God and part of the Trinity? What is the holy spirit, and how does it function?
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE TRINITY
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Bishadi
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How about the truth.
Simply think about it, without words, man could have never CREATED an airplane, let alone a language.
Mark Twain was a fictitious name but still the wisdom can be shared as universal. See the Bible as a pure example. Great intent that “can travel halfway around the world” but the truth could never have been understood 1500 years ago let alone by JC himself otherwise the combining of all mankind would have occurred way back then.
The truth evolves with time and with each of the contributions of men. No matter the color or creed as each offered knowledge to develop within time. So as people believe a faith created by the WORDS of men, them fibs have existed for millennium but the truth comes in only one fashion and it is with time, that the ‘revealing’ begins.
When the ideas of any single sect make claims to be fact, then each can ascertain immediately the error of faith.
Faith is not reality as ‘faith concedes to hope.’
The truth only operates in one fashion and when the truth is known by each, religions will no longer be the governing rule of mankind.
Always remember, Jesus was a contributor of knowledge who simply supported the rules of association between each. It was his gift and compassion for others as to why he is still alive; he lives in his contribution, not because of some beliefs in a faith but because he gave us an understanding of compassion between associations based on equality or each soul but the religions never offered equality as women are still viewed as ‘less than’ to the majority of abrahamic sects.
Another example; the idea that forgiveness will undo a sin is a fib and easily seen by charles manson or adolph hitler, as not a one person killed will ever walk again. Nothing ever imposed to existence by each bad ‘choice,’ will ever be undone.
What people fail to accept is responsibility and it was Jesus himself who said the same thing. Mark 10:19 ‘the rules are written, follow them’ is what he always suggested. You can forgive your brother, as that is good, but an existing error can never be undone or it would never have existed.
Read will pure eyes, not false hopes as to seek based on hope is as rude as ‘giving just to receive.’
Each soul alive wants to know the truth but it is our complacency that builds the walls of ignorance.
Never give in to fibs! Always remember, if you cannot do magic, then magic does not exist!
As to be created in the image of God, would suggest we are capable of magic, when the truth is, we are capable of creating life.
Plant a tree.
Contribute to make a baby.
Teach a child…….
These are lives, that in fact do exist based on a contribution each can choose to impose… or cause to exist by choice.
And each life, that supports life…. Is good……. And each life, that becomes a ‘loss to the common’ is bad and will always become extinct….. eventually!
So without trying to bash an opinion, please share a single line item that is purely false based on reality not a belief.
A created entity such as ‘me, myself and I….’
Which version?
Just as ever soul ever born is of God.
The combining spirit of existence is ‘time.’ Otherwise the universal entity within all life is ‘light.’ All life is based on ‘light’ … or simply put ever single atom that associates with any other is associated by ‘light.’
- "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."
Is the bible you refer too, post Nicene Creed or previous? Meaning, if men compiled the books of the bible and voted each in or out, then please tell all the world, just which book and at which publication period you claim is infallible. Maybe read a little about how Constantine so you can understand where the accepted literature came from… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I_%28emperor%29
so does each religion. It is the WORDS of your parents that cut deep into your soul of belief, not God. Just as Jesus never said he was God, those are the words of men. Read Mark 10:18
WORDS are the finest creation of mankind and without words how the heck would anyone know the ‘thoughts, intentions’ of anyone else.
Simply think about it, without words, man could have never CREATED an airplane, let alone a language.
That’s my line as religions have caused much of the adversity this globe is experiencing today.
Wise comment by Sam while even using his pen name…….. see the point?
Mark Twain was a fictitious name but still the wisdom can be shared as universal. See the Bible as a pure example. Great intent that “can travel halfway around the world” but the truth could never have been understood 1500 years ago let alone by JC himself otherwise the combining of all mankind would have occurred way back then.
The truth evolves with time and with each of the contributions of men. No matter the color or creed as each offered knowledge to develop within time. So as people believe a faith created by the WORDS of men, them fibs have existed for millennium but the truth comes in only one fashion and it is with time, that the ‘revealing’ begins.
As the first cardinal rule is, ‘do not claim facts that you do not know as absolutely correct’ Thou shall not lie. …. So to suggest you have the truth, is the first flag of ignorance to any learned soul as both Jesus and Albert Einstein each continued in humble seeking even until their physical passing.
When the ideas of any single sect make claims to be fact, then each can ascertain immediately the error of faith.
Faith is not reality as ‘faith concedes to hope.’
The truth only operates in one fashion and when the truth is known by each, religions will no longer be the governing rule of mankind.
Always remember, Jesus was a contributor of knowledge who simply supported the rules of association between each. It was his gift and compassion for others as to why he is still alive; he lives in his contribution, not because of some beliefs in a faith but because he gave us an understanding of compassion between associations based on equality or each soul but the religions never offered equality as women are still viewed as ‘less than’ to the majority of abrahamic sects.
Another example; the idea that forgiveness will undo a sin is a fib and easily seen by charles manson or adolph hitler, as not a one person killed will ever walk again. Nothing ever imposed to existence by each bad ‘choice,’ will ever be undone.
What people fail to accept is responsibility and it was Jesus himself who said the same thing. Mark 10:19 ‘the rules are written, follow them’ is what he always suggested. You can forgive your brother, as that is good, but an existing error can never be undone or it would never have existed.
Read will pure eyes, not false hopes as to seek based on hope is as rude as ‘giving just to receive.’
Each soul alive wants to know the truth but it is our complacency that builds the walls of ignorance.
Never give in to fibs! Always remember, if you cannot do magic, then magic does not exist!
As to be created in the image of God, would suggest we are capable of magic, when the truth is, we are capable of creating life.
Plant a tree.
Contribute to make a baby.
Teach a child…….
These are lives, that in fact do exist based on a contribution each can choose to impose… or cause to exist by choice.
And each life, that supports life…. Is good……. And each life, that becomes a ‘loss to the common’ is bad and will always become extinct….. eventually!
So without trying to bash an opinion, please share a single line item that is purely false based on reality not a belief.
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boo
Dream
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You gave 2 references in Daniel. One was where the one 'Like the son of man' was brought near to the Ancient of Days and given a kingdom. The other about a kingdom made without hands that will destroy and replace all other kingdoms. Applied to Jesus, these suggest he was taken into heaven so that the kingdom of God could be 'Made without hands'.
That is the kingdom formed without hands. The verses you gave in Daniel suggest that when Jesus returns his ready-made kingdom (footstool) will then smash the other kingdoms to bits. Also,Psalm 110:1-3 said:
Matthew [b]24:26-27 said:
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mee
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Gods kingdom is made without hands because it is not manmade . thats why Jesus when he stood before pontius pilot said , my kingdom is no part of this world .Jesus knew that he will eventually be a king in Gods kingdom , but it was not going to be the kingdoms on the earth it would be in heaven. and yes you are quite right to say that Gods kingdom will put an end to all of the manmade rulerships and goverments of this world and Gods kingdom with Jesus as king will last for ever.
Gods heavenly kingdom has already been established in the heavens in 1914 and Jesus has already been GIVEN kingship of it but that Kingdom has yet to go into action to put an end to all of the rulerships of man.
Jesus has already arrived in kingdom power but he has yet to go into action .NOW is the time to put ourselves on the side of the heavenly kingdom goverment with Jesus as a reigning king .BEFORE the great day of Jehovah.
Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
PSALM 146;3 Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
Kiss the son,
PSALM 2;12
Now is the time to welcome Gods reigning king along with a GREAT CROWD from all nations revelation 7;9-10
and as revelation 7;14 says these ones of the GREAT CROWD will get through the GREAT TRIBULATION.
PSALM 2;12
Now is the time to welcome Gods reigning king along with a GREAT CROWD from all nations revelation 7;9-10
and as revelation 7;14 says these ones of the GREAT CROWD will get through the GREAT TRIBULATION.
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Bishadi
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Question how is a 3 syllable word ‘Jehovah’ come from a 4 letter tetragrammaton?
How does a hebrew text representing God, become a religious movement representing God’s name, in witness? Meaning if God’s name was written ‘x’ number of years back, how can they begin a ‘witness’ of doctrine from a different language?
How about reading a little Isaiah
As for Israel…… well, they ARE the chosen ones as it will be this formation, oppression and secularization of people that IS the cause of the final war.
Hasn’t anyone noticed, them humble folk of palestine are looking through fences; as others live in the homes their fathers built.
Does no one understand why 911 occurred? It was a scream for help and no one on this side of the lake is listening.
We the US are who funded and still fund the rebirth of Israel……. This country is that beast. And when the first firecracker flashes, the rest of the world recognizes the US policy; ‘shoot first, ask questions later.’ But the rest of the globe will not allow it and they will unite to kick our butts.
As for the cross, rather than a ‘stake’ to crucify Jesus, well that has always been a JW speculation. Just as the trinity is not a unity such as Christians suggest, or that Russel and Barbour had differences in atonement at the beginning of the watchtower. One side thought jesus dies for our sins…. So which is correct? It seems best to recognize reality versus beliefs; name one sin, that was ever undone?
Many have differences but observance to reality is where honesty stands true to God.
For example; to observe the cross in a new light, think of light; electric and magnetic fields at perpendicular planes and if orientated at you, is a cross.
Kind of funny, isn’t it.
So man the watchtower and look for the light. Begin the gathering of Peace and maybe at least 144k will know the truth before the war.
Keep your eyes pealed for the combining of all knowledge under the understanding of “light.”
Seems quite funny that over all of existence every religion knew the day would come and guess what……..you’re in it!
Or simply; “You better start believing in ghost stories Ms. Turner, because you’re in one.” Could be a mis quote but I enjoyed that scene. (pirates of the carabean)
These posts may seem like a rant, but what is best learning and sharing or simply conforming?
And please, if a fib is recognized please, offer something to be learned, as I always enjoy combining as many points of view as possible.
How does a hebrew text representing God, become a religious movement representing God’s name, in witness? Meaning if God’s name was written ‘x’ number of years back, how can they begin a ‘witness’ of doctrine from a different language?
How about reading a little Isaiah
So if the truth was right in front of you……… will you not see?
As for Israel…… well, they ARE the chosen ones as it will be this formation, oppression and secularization of people that IS the cause of the final war.
Hasn’t anyone noticed, them humble folk of palestine are looking through fences; as others live in the homes their fathers built.
Does no one understand why 911 occurred? It was a scream for help and no one on this side of the lake is listening.
We the US are who funded and still fund the rebirth of Israel……. This country is that beast. And when the first firecracker flashes, the rest of the world recognizes the US policy; ‘shoot first, ask questions later.’ But the rest of the globe will not allow it and they will unite to kick our butts.
As for the cross, rather than a ‘stake’ to crucify Jesus, well that has always been a JW speculation. Just as the trinity is not a unity such as Christians suggest, or that Russel and Barbour had differences in atonement at the beginning of the watchtower. One side thought jesus dies for our sins…. So which is correct? It seems best to recognize reality versus beliefs; name one sin, that was ever undone?
Many have differences but observance to reality is where honesty stands true to God.
For example; to observe the cross in a new light, think of light; electric and magnetic fields at perpendicular planes and if orientated at you, is a cross.
Kind of funny, isn’t it.
So man the watchtower and look for the light. Begin the gathering of Peace and maybe at least 144k will know the truth before the war.
Keep your eyes pealed for the combining of all knowledge under the understanding of “light.”
Seems quite funny that over all of existence every religion knew the day would come and guess what……..you’re in it!
Or simply; “You better start believing in ghost stories Ms. Turner, because you’re in one.” Could be a mis quote but I enjoyed that scene. (pirates of the carabean)
These posts may seem like a rant, but what is best learning and sharing or simply conforming?
And please, if a fib is recognized please, offer something to be learned, as I always enjoy combining as many points of view as possible.
Dream
Well-Known Member
The kingdom formed directly by God is 'The stone cut from a mountain without hands.' It is peacefully formed by God in the complete absence of a human king. It was necessary that Jesus not be present in order for this to occur peacefully, just as it is necessary that he return and battle when that kingdom is ready for him.
- Peace always requires that the king of Israel be absent -- one example: II Samuel 12:7,10 Nathan said to David, "You are the man. Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, `I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul; ....10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.'
- Without Hands means 'peacefully', without human politics
one example: Psalm 76:5 "The stouthearted were stripped of their spoil; they sank into sleep; all the men of war were unable to use their hands."
- When Jesus returns he must fight
Psalm 24:8-10 Who is the King of glory? The LORD, strong and mighty, the LORD, mighty in battle! Lift up your heads, O gates! and be lifted up, O ancient doors! that the King of glory may come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory! Selah
- The plan is that human government is going to be completely repudiated, so sin in the flesh will be condemned on all levels by our own history. Eventually, Jesus returns his kingdom to the Father, and human government is no more. I Corinthians 15:24-25
Dream
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You know, Bishadi, you could have some respect for your readers. I read your posts, however both times I got to the end you had changed the subject about 50 times. I'd ignore you but you double-space type a billion lines on each completely unrelated post. What you need is a good spanking.
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Bishadi
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That's a 'big joke' to Dream.
not a man alive could harm nor stop what is coming......
so if you feel froggy, leap.
I just had a conversation with another about how the internet (spider web of prophecies) will entangle mankind..... and not a thing the secularizing or doubting genre can do about it.
'good' will far outlive the ignorant, as it is this new generation that thinks, rather than conforms, that will walk all over them who remain oppressive.
no need to suffer fools.
but it you feel like you have enough to square up, then please... stand with clinched fist and swing away.... and when you find yourself tired of missing the mark..... see that existence only operates ONE WAY and everything else is simply a fib caused by ignorance and selfish pride.
no need for me to bow, as I see the total by the light of the truth and to be fair maybe you should ask a few questions rather than suggest I need a spanking.
Wrong guy to pick a fight with, that I can assure you!
Namaste Bishadi,
Just so we are all completly clear where you are coming from. Which country is which beast?
Tis discussions we wish to have, not fights. But your statement makes me wonder why you feel the need to qualify so. Unblemished record?Bishadi said:
pattimax
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Bishadi, apologies if I seem rude.
We both appear to be exhibiting a predetermined notion; yours is that Jesus is not God, and mine is that He is, and that only through accepting this belief, confessing that one is a sinner, and offering up one's life to Christ as a living sacrifice, can one escape the judgement. And the judgement is this: by your unbelief, you will be allowed to remain in darkness for all eternity, by your own choice. (John 3:17-19)
The reason that I advance my position, even if rudely, is that I do not wish to see you condemn yourself to eternal darkness, and would like to invite you to come into the light. You may prefer the darkness, where you can keep the option of serving your own interests and feeding your own lusts from time to time, and many do prefer this. I just hope better for you than that.
If I tell you the truth and you don't believe it, is it still the truth?
May God richly bless you.
We both appear to be exhibiting a predetermined notion; yours is that Jesus is not God, and mine is that He is, and that only through accepting this belief, confessing that one is a sinner, and offering up one's life to Christ as a living sacrifice, can one escape the judgement. And the judgement is this: by your unbelief, you will be allowed to remain in darkness for all eternity, by your own choice. (John 3:17-19)
The reason that I advance my position, even if rudely, is that I do not wish to see you condemn yourself to eternal darkness, and would like to invite you to come into the light. You may prefer the darkness, where you can keep the option of serving your own interests and feeding your own lusts from time to time, and many do prefer this. I just hope better for you than that.
If I tell you the truth and you don't believe it, is it still the truth?
May God richly bless you.
Dream
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I've just been Nostradamus'd!! I guess that's what I get for giving you a wedgie! Welcome to the forum, Bushadi.Bushadi said: