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more stupid questions, and i dont know if this is the correct forum, so move me if you wish.
so, what is the difference between, catholics, presbytarian, lutheran, anglican, born again christians, baptists etc. or perhaps i could ask,, what are the similarities. I know nothing at all about most of these, but from what i see they are similar and basically sing differnt hymns. If this questionis too vague, i apologise.:o:)
 
the similarities between all christians is believing in and having faith that jesus christ is the word of god come in the flesh, and that he was crucified, and resurrected, and glorified back to heaven, and that he is our saviour, and that we can only come to God the father through him. we all believe in the divinity and the oneness of God expressed in three persons; father, son, and holy spirit.

the differences are many times cultural, where christianity has overlapped distinct cultures and somethings are intertwined. other times it is gifts where christianity has fallen in to the hands of those chrisitans with money or the ability to accumulate money so there is lots of evangelism around the word, others there is the gift of languages and the translating the bible into different languages for the world, and there is the gift of baptizing people, others is the gift of song and praises to the lord, and others there is the gift of preaching and calling people to god like billy graham.

but, because we all stick to the essential doctrines of christianity we are one church with many talents doing many things for the glory of god.
 
Not speaking as an authority, but as a long time observer;

Some Christian denominations are more formal: Catholics, Episcopalians, Lutherans. Others are noticeably less formal: Baptists, Pentecostals, and assorted Holy Rollers. Some are firmly entrenched in long standing tradition, others take more of a "go with the flow" approach. Some place a great deal of emphasis on extra-curricular activities (some good, some bad) such as fund raising and missionary excursions. Some place more emphasis on teaching and preaching. Some put a lot of effort into "spreading the word" and evangelizing, some just kinda open their arms and (at least in theory) welcome any who chance their way. A lot of them talk the talk of being accepting, but often walk the walk of isolationism and seclusion. There are as many variations on the theme of Christianity as there are denominations and independent churches, <sarcasm>and every one of them alone is correct and the rest are mistaken (just ask!).</sarcasm> There are mainstream stuffy traditionals and there are relatively new sects (some even say cults). Some worship on the Sabbath, some worship on Sunday. Some worship the sun rise on Easter, and some try to hold to the Biblical Holy Days and celebrate Passover. Some look to human leadership to lead and guide them (and otherwise tell them what to do), while others are taught to go directly to the Heavenly Father for inspiration, comfort and blessings. Some believe Jesus is G-d manifest in flesh, some believe Yashua to be a great teacher of a radical Judaism whose teachings became intermingled with pagan traditions.

And a whole host of combinations and interpretations in between any of these extremes. ;)

Likely some will disagree with me, but that goes with the turf. Christians have been bludgeoning each other for centuries over trivialities that in the end have no bearing on salvation.
 
Here's another little bit of the answer (from “What People Ask About The Church,” by Dale A. Robbins

What is a liturgical church?

Most churches have some form of liturgy that guides the flow of service, but a "liturgical church" conducts its services by a strict, prescribed liturgy — a formal structure or order of worship, which has been passed down from tradition. This type of church generally places much emphasis upon ceremony and ritual, and may use various forms of religious icons.


A historical form of liturgy practiced in many such churches, is as follows:


(1) Confession of Sins
(2) Pronouncement of Absolution
(3) Acknowledgment of God's Authority
(4) The Reading of God's Word
(5) A Hymn of Praise
(6) A Sermon
(7) The Offering
(8) The Prayers of the Church
(9) The Holy Communion


Well known liturgical churches who follow a similar form are the Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopal, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
 
thanks guys again, for taking the time to explain stuff to me.

here is another....

why does the "plate" continue to get handed around in mass"for the poor" when the Vatican is undenialbly the richest state/empire on earth.? No disrespect intended, just a question. and what riches does it hold and are we the public have a look?
 
... when the Vatican is undenialbly the richest state/empire on earth ...

And your evidence for that statement?

No disrespect in return, just an observation that I am continually told the Vatican is the richest place on earth, but no-one ever produces the figures, it's apparently just one of those things that everyone knows ... ?

Thomas
 
And your evidence for that statement?

No disrespect in return, just an observation that I am continually told the Vatican is the richest place on earth, but no-one ever produces the figures, it's apparently just one of those things that everyone knows ... ?

Thomas
With all due respect, they are the only Christian church with a bank:

The Vatican Bank is a name commonly given to the Istituto per le Opere di Religione (IOR) or Institute for Religious Works, located in Vatican City. It is run by a professional bank CEO who reports directly to a committee of cardinals, and ultimately to the Pope (or the Cardinal Camerlengo during an interregnum). Since its assets are not considered property of the Holy See, it is not overseen by the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See,[1] and it is listed in the Annuario Pontificio together with foundations such as the John Paul II Foundation for the Sahel, which provides funds for training people to fight drought and desertification in nine African countries.[2] The current President is Angelo Caloia.

The Vatican Bank was involved in a major political and financial scandal in the 1980s, concerning the 1982 $3.5 billion collapse of Banco Ambrosiano, of which it was a major share-holder. The head of the Vatican Bank from 1971 to 1989, Paul Marcinkus, was under consideration for indictment in 1982 in Italy as an accessory of the bankruptcy.[3]

Vatican Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

see also:

Vatican Bank Claims
http://www.vaticanbankclaims.com/4ac.pdf

which highlights a legal action against the Vatican Bank

The Great Vatican Bank Mystery - TIME

which touches on the collapse of Banco Ambrosiano

To answer your question directly Thomas would require getting the bank to release an accounting. Seems not very likely without an Italian court order.

While some Protestant denominations may indeed have financial holdings (the Mormons for example are into several large scale investments), none come close to holding a bank as collateral. ;)
 
Found this too:

Cover story: Catholic real estate bonanza

An Italian-owned Manhattan real estate development company claiming ties to high-ranking Vatican officials is bidding on properties owned by dozens of U.S. dioceses and religious orders. Some church real estate professionals have questioned the company’s tactics, while others praise the firm for its promise to revitalize vacant church property.

The Park Avenue-based Follieri Group, founded nearly three years ago by Raffaello Follieri and his father, Pasquale Follieri, has “entered into contracts for the acquisition of over $100 million of church property in three U.S. cities” and is “actively bidding on an additional quarter billion dollars of church assets,” according to the company’s Web site.

Same story from a Catholic source:
National Catholic Reporter: For sale – Developer with Vatican ties seeking U.S. church property - Catholic Online

Hmmm, just one venture with one U.S. company...talking $350 million dollars. I know of a whole lot of churches for whom such a figure is a fantasy and a pipe dream. I wonder how much real estate the Vatican owns in Europe?
 
so, what is the difference between, catholics, presbytarian, lutheran, anglican, born again christians, baptists etc. or perhaps i could ask,, what are the similarities.
Well i can give you a wholly biased Catholic viewpoint:

Assuming the 'Church' was founded on Pentecost, around 33AD (the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the disciples), the 'orthodox' (Gk: ortho = 'right' and doxa = 'thinking') doctrine was that taught by the Apostles and their successors — they're the ones who got it from the horse's mouth, as it were.

The Church soon settled into a common profession of faith — a life founded in and focussed on the liturgy and the sacraments. From this teaching emerged the Gospels and the Letters that comprise the New Testament.

As the Roman Empire began to fragment, local and national interests began to impact upon theology, so that what theology became the rule became something of a national interest.

The first really big dispute, the Arian crisis (Arius taught that Christ is created, 'there was a time when he was not', whereas the teaching of the Church until then was that Christ was eternally in the Father). The dispute very quickly became a political one, and even Arius noted that no-one was really interested in what he believed, what was more important was poilitiocal influence in the Church ... something the Church resisted.

Later schisms, such as the Copts, the Nestorians etc., emerged along geo-political boundaries as much as theological difference — I am in discussion with a Copt on another site and we both hold somewhat simplified and wholly erroneous views about the other's theology ... in fact now the Copts are united with Rome, although they still have local autonomy under their own Pope ... Nestorians are another kettle.

Then The Reformation which was wholly motivated by political concerns — Martin Luther objected to moneys being raised in the German states that went to Rome. (He had no problems with indulgences when they were financing his local bishop)

Luther also had deep psychological issues, one being he could not believe that Christ could forgive us our sins ... so he developed a theology in which some were pre-destined to be saved, others pre-destined for damnation.

Very quickly, Luther got left behind as others followed his example and declared their own versions of Christianity ... Calvin 'justified' the emerging Swiss bourgeoise middle classes, for example...

And so it goes on ... in my view the two things that mark the differences between denominations are:
1 - Geopolitical determinations (The Greek Orthodox Church is now the religion of state, to such a degree that theological decisions have to be viewed according to how they might impact on Greek nationalism — and of course the Christian denominations of the US variety assume that the 'saved' will be drawn from their own race and class.)
2 - Rationalism — each denomination tends to 'reduce' the element of the Mysteries central to traditional and orthodox Christianity to something more rational and acceptable to its own powers of reason and logic ... in short they explain the mystery away ... what you're left with bears a greater resemblance to humanism than anything else — Christ is reduced to a sentimental 'nice guy' who paid a high price for being a good bloke.

So modern Christianity regards traditional Christianity as subject to myth, superstition and ritual ... whereas traditional Christianity looks at modern Christianity and sees and empty shell ...

Thomas
 
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