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for mee the internal is something much better . it builds up :) the external is nine times out of ten designed to tear down and be in opposition .
with nothing at all to offer.
And also nine times out of ten the external is promoted by those who have rejected Gods visible channel on earth.
I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, but at least here at CR I don't know how you could say this? All of us here, or to be most truthful *most* of us here, wholly accept G-d's channel on earth (the Holy Spirit), and have a great deal to offer, and are not intent on tearing each other down.

What methods do apostates use to achieve their aim?

They often resort to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehoods.
One should tread very lightly here mee...I have already shown you some distortions, half-truths and outright falsehoods within your own teachings...IOW, you might want to watch where your finger is pointed, you have three more pointed right back at you.

Jesus knew that his followers would be victimized by those who would "tell all kinds of evil lies against" them. (Matthew 5:11, Today’s English Version)
Ah, the standard misquote that assuages the martyr complex...when in doubt, retreat to "they're picking on me...I must be on the correct path for G-d then."

Did it ever occur that maybe brothers and sisters in Christ are reproving one another? And that such reproof is G-dly and good?

Such malicious opposers would tell what is not true with the intent to deceive others.
Another fallacy...opposition doesn't automatically imply malicious intent or deception. The idea that opposition is malicious is a dangerous brainwashing propaganda, it should serve as a red flag warning to *really* take a good hard dispassionate look at who is telling you what.

The apostle Peter warned about apostates who would use "counterfeit words," spread "deceptive teachings," and ‘twist the Scriptures’ to their own ends. (2 Peter 2:3, 13; 3:16)
Right back atcha, dude. ;)

What is it that apostates want?

Most are not content to leave the faith that they once perhaps viewed as true.

Often, they want to take others with them. Rather than going out and making their own disciples, many apostates seek to "draw away the disciples [that is, Christ’s disciples] after themselves." (Acts 20:29, 30)
Even if this were true, don't you think a comparative religion forum would be a rather strange place for such a person to seek out to enact his diabolical scheme? If I were apostate, the last place I would seek of my own volition would be anything to do with religion. Least of all a place seeking peaceful dialogue among all religions.

mee likes to be built up in bible based spiritual food , that is why mee feeds from the channel that Jesus is feeding matthew 24;45-47
That is true of everyone here that professes Christianity.

I luv ya, bro. Sometimes some of the stuff that comes out of you (and I know where it is coming from) scares the bejeebers out of me. In any other context I would seriously be thinking *mind-control* and *brainwashing.* Feeding on the Word of G-d is one thing, being spoon fed a bunch of pablum hardly fit for a child and being denied the proper food to grow spiritually is quite another. I am not angry with you, I write this to you with loving concern for a brother in Christ.
 
I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, but at least here at CR I don't know how you could say this? All of us here, or to be most truthful *most* of us here, wholly accept G-d's channel on earth (the Holy Spirit), and have a great deal to offer, and are not intent on tearing each other down.

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mee likes the channel that the bible speaks about matthew 24;45-47 and it is being fed straight from the hand of Jesus . only the best will do for mee:) mee likes to be inline with what the bible really teaches .

and it is very good
 
One should tread very lightly here mee...I have already shown you some distortions, half-truths and outright falsehoods within your own teachings...IOW, you might want to watch where your finger is pointed, you have three more pointed right back at you.


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mee likes to stick to what the bible really teaches. its better :)
 
Ah, the standard misquote that assuages the martyr complex...when in doubt, retreat to "they're picking on me...I must be on the correct path for G-d then."

quote] its amazing how the words of Jesus are always correct right down the line.

the visible channel of God has great opposition, in more ways than one.
 
I luv ya, bro. Sometimes some of the stuff that comes out of you (and I know where it is coming from) scares the bejeebers out of me. In any other context I would seriously be thinking *mind-control* and *brainwashing.* Feeding on the Word of G-d is one thing, being spoon fed a bunch of pablum hardly fit for a child and being denied the proper food to grow spiritually is quite another. I am not angry with you, I write this to you with loving concern for a brother in Christ.
i like to be brainwashed by Gods word the bible , it is pure and washes away the stuff that is dirty.:) then mee can hopefully go on into something better, which is a paradise earth under God kingdom goverment .
 
That is true of everyone here that professes Christianity.

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nice , matthew 5;5
being built up in the promises of the bible are upbuilding indeed.


"Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. psalm 37;11​

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away." revelation 21;3-4



:) they are nice :)

 
If I were apostate, the last place I would seek of my own volition would be anything to do with religion


quote] the greatest apostate of all (satan the devil) has used religion to serve his purpose ,and it has worked very well to decieve the whole world .

1 john 5;19
 
You see the world as a sinking ship? Fair enough... I see it in dry docks needing repair.
Up keel! Steady the blocks! Chalk that rail wheel, we don't need a runaway hull wasting harbor water...

Good analogy.

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If I were apostate, the last place I would seek of my own volition would be anything to do with religion


quote] the greatest apostate of all (satan the devil) has used religion to serve his purpose ,and it has worked very well to decieve the whole world .

1 john 5;19
I can think of some others who are damn close...
 
You see the world as a sinking ship? Fair enough... I see it in dry docks needing repair.



IMAGINE being trapped on a sinking ship.


Just when you think that there is no hope, a rescuer arrives and pulls you to safety.

How relieved you feel as your rescuer takes you away from the danger and says "You are safe now"!

Would you not feel indebted to that person?
In a very real sense, you would owe him your life.


In some respects, this illustrates what Jehovah has done for us.

Surely we are indebted to him.

After all, he has provided the ransom, making it possible for us to be rescued from the clutches of sin and death.

We feel safe knowing that as long as we exercise faith in that precious sacrifice, our sins are forgiven, and our eternal future is secure. (1 John 1:7; 4:9)
 
IMAGINE being trapped on a sinking ship.

Just when you think that there is no hope, a rescuer arrives and pulls you to safety.

How relieved you feel as your rescuer takes you away from the danger and says "You are safe now"!

Would you not feel indebted to that person?
In a very real sense, you would owe him your life.


In some respects, this illustrates what Jehovah has done for us.

Surely we are indebted to him.

After all, he has provided the ransom, making it possible for us to be rescued from the clutches of sin and death.

We feel safe knowing that as long as we exercise faith in that precious sacrifice, our sins are forgiven, and our eternal future is secure. (1 John 1:7; 4:9)
Um, I am a rescue diver mee, and I've pulled many from sinking ships, and fish trawlers and overloaded Hatian sail boats filled with desperate people trying to find a better life...

and your point was?...

Try looking up my profile...you might be surprised.
 
mee likes to stick to what the bible really teaches. its better :)
Juan agrees what the Bible teaches is better, that isn't the problem.

Let's consider for a moment, which of these comments is from the Bible? Which are commentary on a part of the Bible (which means interpretation of, not explicit rendering; OPINION)? Which is not Bible related at all, but spurious propaganda?:

for mee the internal is something much better . it builds up :) the external is nine times out of ten designed to tear down and be in opposition .
with nothing at all to offer.
And also nine times out of ten the external is promoted by those who have rejected Gods visible channel on earth.
Opinion.

What methods do apostates use to achieve their aim?

They often resort to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehoods.
Opinion.

Jesus knew that his followers would be victimized by those who would "tell all kinds of evil lies against" them. (Matthew 5:11, Today’s English Version)
Opinion supporting itself with a half verse out of context.

Such malicious opposers would tell what is not true with the intent to deceive others.
Propaganda.

The apostle Peter warned about apostates who would use "counterfeit words," spread "deceptive teachings," and ‘twist the Scriptures’ to their own ends. (2 Peter 2:3, 13; 3:16)
Opinion attempting to support itself with a badly cobbled verse, hinting very strongly at propaganda.

What is it that apostates want?

Most are not content to leave the faith that they once perhaps viewed as true.

Unfounded supposition supporting propaganda.

Often, they want to take others with them. Rather than going out and making their own disciples, many apostates seek to "draw away the disciples [that is, Christ’s disciples] after themselves." (Acts 20:29, 30)
An attempt to support the unfounded propaganda with another misconstrued and cobbled verse(s).

mee likes to be built up in bible based spiritual food , that is why mee feeds from the channel that Jesus is feeding matthew 24;45-47
Bible reference is well and good (haven't checked, but I have caught you a number of times in the past quoting verses that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand...misleading at best). Can you see yet how just in this one post there are so far three misconstrued and out of context verses quoted soley for the purpose of supporting unfounded propaganda.

Again, if this were another group the automatic conclusion is that of cult brainwashing. I am saying this with love, not an accusation.

I desire no less for you than that you retain your core beliefs...but I would honestly and forthrightly question some of the motivations behind why there is so much propaganda designed to alienate you from thinking for your self.

Let's be clear, there is nothing wrong with opinion, everybody here freely expresses their own, and I think most times that opinion is at least informed by each person's understanding of the Bible. But opinion is not the Bible, there is a distinction, they are not the same. I think sometimes people fall into the habit of believing their opinions *are* the Bible, and that is simply not the case...as I have demonstrated in this post.

and it is very tasty and healthy good food:)

Taste and see that Jehovah is good, O YOU people;
Happy is the able-bodied man that takes refuge in him.
psalm 34;8
Now see, this is a healthy thought founded on a Bible verse, I cannot argue with. (Leaving aside the name of G-d issue) Do you not see this very same thing in the rest of us here?

I ask this last question sincerely desiring an answer. If you honestly and sincerely do not believe that I am tasting of the Lord and taking refuge in Him, then I am wasting my efforts.

I don't like to waste anything...least of all my effort. :o
 
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IMAGINE being trapped on a sinking ship.

Just when you think that there is no hope, a rescuer arrives and pulls you to safety.

How relieved you feel as your rescuer takes you away from the danger and says "You are safe now"!

Would you not feel indebted to that person?
In a very real sense, you would owe him your life.


In some respects, this illustrates what Jehovah has done for us.

Surely we are indebted to him.

After all, he has provided the ransom, making it possible for us to be rescued from the clutches of sin and death.

We feel safe knowing that as long as we exercise faith in that precious sacrifice, our sins are forgiven, and our eternal future is secure. (1 John 1:7; 4:9)

See the beautiful thing about the human mind, is that, it reacts differently to the next, so no, if I were in a situation where lives were indanger, I would refuse to take the victim role. I would sacrafice my efforts to help more surivive.. If I die but in my efforts many are saved then I can die well, if I allow myself to be saved and not attempt to help the others on this sinking ship I will not die, but when I die I will die with regret. In those kind of situations I naturally do what I can to help others putting them before me. *shruggs* Just how it is. Maybe it's the soldier in me... Maybe it's something bigger.
 
The coward dies a thousand deaths, the valiant dies but once.
-(I thought it was Kipling, Google says Shakespeare; either way it is not originally mine)
 
See the beautiful thing about the human mind, is that, it reacts differently to the next, so no, if I were in a situation where lives were indanger, I would refuse to take the victim role. I would sacrafice my efforts to help more surivive.. If I die but in my efforts many are saved then I can die well, if I allow myself to be saved and not attempt to help the others on this sinking ship I will not die, but when I die I will die with regret. In those kind of situations I naturally do what I can to help others putting them before me. *shruggs* Just how it is. Maybe it's the soldier in me... Maybe it's something bigger.
Maybe a little of both...

There are victims, and there are victors...We choose our paths ;)
 
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