Father and Mother make sense. Life, that is immortal has a threefold consciousness one being male with the body to go with it, one being female, with the body to go with it and the oneness of the two. This is the only life pattern and in the beginning humans were like this as well. Each of us walks around being half of our whole self waiting for the union with our opposite. Everyone is somehow connected to their opposite and can see hints of them in relationships with others. Yes I do believe everyone has soulmates but one complete mate that is their whole spirit soul and body mate.
Origins of Jesus Christ
- Thread starter Tommy Shue
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Miracles with a divine being incarnated into the human egg reveal they are divine in origin. This is why these events, one reason why, there are witnesses to the events. Bodily transformations done by flashes of light ect that transform the body and do not harm it.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
I find it hard to beleive in an historical Jesus-as-man-as-Church-says. What a remarkable bunch of coincidences would have had to have happened. Probably named Joshua, probably a Pharisee with strong Hellenic "wisdom-teaching" associations. Probably he was very close to his brother James who actually ran the early Jewish-Joshua movement. Probably would really, really be mad that Saul-Paul rewrote his story (and John, Chrysostom and Ambrose who totally mis-interpreted his association with his people).
The whole point is that by the time of Marcion and Irenaeus and Clement whatever and whoever Joshua was, the man had been mis-replaced by the myth.
Peace, Radarmark
The whole point is that by the time of Marcion and Irenaeus and Clement whatever and whoever Joshua was, the man had been mis-replaced by the myth.
Peace, Radarmark
Are you saying miracles are a myth or that the story of jesus is a myth or both?
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
The story we have of Jesus is myth. The truth lays somewhere underneath it. One must intllectually excavate to find the real Jesus.
Pax et amore vincunt omnia... radarmark
Pax et amore vincunt omnia... radarmark
Its not a myth he really does exist and is alive and can do miracles, do the miracles have a scientific explanation....I believe they do
Out of curiosity what would you do if he actually just popped up?
You actually saw him and he did a miracle right in front of you. Would you believe it if you saw it for yourself?
Have you ever heard of hidden stigmata. Out of curiosity good men wouldnt allow a woman to be hurt so the one who does it hides it correct? The body of christ on earth is good men who would never allow that but watch out for the male who pretends he got hurt but is secretly harming the woman...hes the man of sin. Christ is the man who is righteous, kind ,compassionate loving ect. Helmet of righteousness, sheild of father sword of truth. A woman some years back was literally crucified hidden from the men around and fooled by the one who did it.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
I said the story we have is a myth. Not Jesus. He lives at every meeting of two or more good people. I experience that in my Meetings (Quaker services) and my individual practice. Now, having said that (remember consistency is not something I am well known for) if He transported down in front of me, halo, robes. wounds and all, I know I am a die-hard skeptic. So like Thomas I would probably want to check out the wounds.
I love the metaphor of the hidden stigmata. Where I grew up (a little white Jewish kid in very rural Northern New Mexico) Los Hermanos de la Fraternidad Piadosa de Nuestro Padre Jesús Nazareno (the penitentes, an obscure heretical catholic sect) were alledged to spend Holy Week on their knees. The metaphor was quite real there (there are no abused women in their villages).
Pax et amore omnia vincunt.
I love the metaphor of the hidden stigmata. Where I grew up (a little white Jewish kid in very rural Northern New Mexico) Los Hermanos de la Fraternidad Piadosa de Nuestro Padre Jesús Nazareno (the penitentes, an obscure heretical catholic sect) were alledged to spend Holy Week on their knees. The metaphor was quite real there (there are no abused women in their villages).
Pax et amore omnia vincunt.
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Divos
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The usage of "Divine Mother" and "Divine Father", is a Roman Concept
And Venus was the Daughter of Iove
Venus and Iove are believed to be the Divine Ancestors of Julius Caesar and of the Romans, therefore "Venus" was known as "Venus Genetrix" meaning Mother Venus and "Iove" as "Jupiter" (Father Yove), in deed Jesus used the term "Father" when calling upon GOD, not because he is an Ancestral God, and the Roman God "Yove" is rendered Yahweh in Hebrew, whom was worship upon the same location Jesus wandering about.
The Festival of Venus Genetrix is "September 26th" and coincides with "Virgo the Virgin", Venus or Virgo where not Actually Virgins, the term "Virgo" is derived from "Virga" which means "Twig" or a Green Branch, in fact Virgo is shown holding a Green Branch, which represents Family and Harvest, and the Family Tree of the Julian Family
Temple to Venus Genetrix(Mother Mary) was actually built within Temple Mount next to the Clementia Caesar(Divos Iulius/Iove Temple)(Now the Dome of Rock), also known as Herod's Temple.
And Venus was the Daughter of Iove
Venus and Iove are believed to be the Divine Ancestors of Julius Caesar and of the Romans, therefore "Venus" was known as "Venus Genetrix" meaning Mother Venus and "Iove" as "Jupiter" (Father Yove), in deed Jesus used the term "Father" when calling upon GOD, not because he is an Ancestral God, and the Roman God "Yove" is rendered Yahweh in Hebrew, whom was worship upon the same location Jesus wandering about.
The Festival of Venus Genetrix is "September 26th" and coincides with "Virgo the Virgin", Venus or Virgo where not Actually Virgins, the term "Virgo" is derived from "Virga" which means "Twig" or a Green Branch, in fact Virgo is shown holding a Green Branch, which represents Family and Harvest, and the Family Tree of the Julian Family
Temple to Venus Genetrix(Mother Mary) was actually built within Temple Mount next to the Clementia Caesar(Divos Iulius/Iove Temple)(Now the Dome of Rock), also known as Herod's Temple.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Needless to say, Divos has not a leg to stand on. Both Mother and Father Divinities existed before the Romans and exist into the 20th century without the impact of the Romans (check out Isis/Osiris or "Black Elk Speaks").
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
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Divos
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The Egyptian Pharaohs claimed to be descended from Horus, or sometimes Seth, Son of Atum(sometimes), thus they "Seth, son of Adam"
Why does the Torah list all of these Genealogies, because the Torah was written under the command of the Royals, to proclaim themselves as the Divine.
In the "Torah" everyone is upon on one Giant Family Tree, a Pantheon, and each Culture and there very own, whom the Royals claim descent, thus the Right to rule.
Greek GOD Tree, its ONE BIG Family Tree, full of birthright crap
Hebrew
Rome
The Hebrew and the Greek Family Tree, is the same concept, the only difference is that Abraham/Moses are not Gods, why not classed as God?. Biblical Adam/Seth should be classed as Gods, for the same reason Zeus and Poseidon are classed as Gods.
bob x
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Yeah, same concept. Parents having children, gee nobody would ever have thought of such a thing, if you hadn't pointed it out!
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Divos, my friend, once again, totally unresponsive. To wit, you stated that "Divine Mother" and "Divine Father" is a Roman Concept. I pointed out it existed both before the Romans and, independently, since the Romans (unless you can explain how Lakotas could have possibly been inflkuence by latin). Get your facts straight and learn to communicate, not toss off opinions and evasions.
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
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Divos
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It is obvious that GODS are Dead Ancestors, they stories mutated throughout time, and they start looking like myths, and today, they classed as Gods.
Some believed that the God "ODIN" is King DAN I
Krishna = Cyrus
Aegyptos = Ramses II = Jacob
Yahweh = Aya
Adonay =Akhenaton
etc
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Again, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGUS response. Where is the proof?
Show "Divine Mother" and "Dinive Father" are Roman Concepts. Not hard.
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
Show "Divine Mother" and "Dinive Father" are Roman Concepts. Not hard.
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
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Divos
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Jupiter (Father Yahweh)
Venus Genetrix (Mother Venus) (Ancestral Mother Venus)
Julius Caesar claimed her as an ancestor (Venus Genetrix); possibly a long-standing family tradition, and Venus, is the daughter of Yahweh
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Are you now saying Jupiter/Venus is a parallel myth? That is, that the concept of Divine Mother and Divine Father are not uniquely Roman, but part of a broader-based (more ancient tradition)? If you are, fine, nuff said.
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
Jayhawker Soule
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Thanks Bob. I didn't see it at first, but now I think I get it. Parents have offspring who, in turn, have offspring, and eventually you have a family tree. Is that about right? (That Divos is one sharp cookie!)
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Divos
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Duh, but I am talking about in the Context of Gods and Royalty
If you look at the Greek/Egyptian/HEBREW/Egypt Family Tree of Gods, and go up the Tree, you will find,they all point to numero Uno.
In Fact, if you took all the Family Trees of European Royalty, its one family Tree, in fact, there is no such thing as Dynasties, its all in the Family, its these families that produce the Torah, the Gospels and Religious Institutes.
Julius Caesar was considered Divine, because for he is believed to be descended from Venus, Aeneas, and Jupiter, notice that the Family Tree of Gods and Man intercept, because they are no Gods, they are Dead Royals of the Past.
Jesus claims to be Son of David, Abraham, GOD, Adam, therefor automatically makes him Divine