Then would you show me the verse that animals having souls?
What is a Soul?
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Then would you show me the verse that animals having souls?
Sure.
"Texts such as Genesis 1:21,24
>are often mistranslated to read "living creatures." The exact Hebrew used
>in reference to animals throughout the Bible is "nephesh chayah," or
>"living soul." This is how the phrase has been translated in Genesis 2:7
>and in four hundred other places in the Old Testament. Thus, Genesis 1:30
>should more accurately read: "And to every beast of the earth, and to
>every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth,
>wherein there is a living soul, I have given every green herb for meat."
>God breathed the "breath of life" into man, and caused him to become a
>living soul. (Genesis 2:7) Animals have the same "breath of life" as do
>humans. (Genesis 7:15, 22) Numbers 16:22 refers to the Lord as "the God
>of spirits of all flesh." In Numbers 31:28, God commands Moses to divide
>up among the people the cattle, sheep, asses and human prisoners captured
>in battle and to give to the Lord "one soul of five hundred" of both
>humans and animals alike. Psalm 104 says God provides for animals and
>their ensoulment.
>"O Lord, how innumerable are Thy works; in
>wisdom Thou hast made them all! The earth is
>full of Thy well-made creations. All these look to
>Thee to furnish their timely feed. When Thou
>providest for them, they gather it. Thou openest
>Thy hand, and they are satisfied with good things.
>When Thou hidest Thy face, they are struck with
>despair. When Thou cuttest off their breath, in
>death they return to their dust. Thou sendest
>Thy Spirit and more are created, and Thou dost
>replenish the surface of the earth."
>Similarly, the apocryphal Book of Judith praises God, saying, "Let every
>creature serve You, for You spoke and they were made. You sent forth Your
>Spirit and they were created." Job 12:10 teaches that in God’s hand "is
>the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."
>Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 says humans have no advantage over animals: "They
>all draw the same breath...all came from the dust, and to dust all
>return."
>The verse that immediately follows asks, "Who knows if the spirit of man
>goes upward, and the spirit of the beast goes down to the earth?" The
>exact Hebrew word for "spirit," "ruach," is used in connection with
>animals as well as humans. Ecclesiastes 12:7 concludes that "the spirit
>shall return unto God who gave it."
This position was taken by Paul, who called himself an apostle to the
>gentiles. Paul spoke of God as the "giver of life and breath and all
>things to everyone." (Acts 17:25) In his epistle to the Romans 8:18-25,
>Paul wrote that the entire creation, and not just mankind, is awaiting
>redemption.
>Revelations 16:3 also refers to the souls of animals: "The second angel
>poured out his bowl upon the sea, so that it turned to blood as of a
>corpse, and every living soul that was in the sea died." The exact Greek>word for soul, "psyche," was used in the original texts."
Wow, I need verses instead of human teachings.
Job 12:10 could be up to something, other verses don't seem to refer directly to animal souls. Even with Job 12:10, it only shows that the word 'soul' can have other uses, instead of referring to animals souls.
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
The question is, does amoeba have a soul? I don't think that verse 'soul of every living thing is referring to this', rather it refers to 'life' in this verse. That won't destroy the specific meaning of soul when it refers to our souls as an entity. Just like how we sometimes describe that people are soulless.
Moreover, if the specific meaning is not used, spirit and soul can be interchangeable terms.
You asked for "verses" depicting human and animal as having souls. I gave them to you straight up. Whether you choose to accept them or not, is NOT my problem.
Take care.
Of course, everyone is entitled to his own opinions. All I said is about a point of view I believe that can be consistent through out the whole Bible. Thanks for the 'verses' quoted anyway.
Well I think that I've said what I should say, whether you accept/believe it or not is out of my concern and none of my business either.
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3rd heaven
A 3D space created in front of the first room of the heavenly Tabernacle. This place is commonly called Abraham's Bosom, or Paradise (the first part). From here, you can enter the first room of the heavenly Tabernacle. Those saints without tasting death will live here, including Moses and Elijah.
Hades
A 3D space created for the accomodation of the souls of the dead. This place is commonly referred to as the darkness or gloomy dungeons. Those wicked who failed to enter His rest will be sitting in the darkness here waiting for the coming of the final judgment. For those wicked, this place is their Hell.
Hebrews 3:11
So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'
Maybe to your surprise, the second part (the virtual part) of the Paradise is built here. Christians will be here, they are said to be entering God's rest or sleeping in Christ. To simply put, they are put to a sleep by His Grace till they are resurrected. For those Christians, this place is thus their paradise.
Hebrews 4:3
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.' "
Daniel is put here.
Daniel 12:13
"As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."
The heavenly Tabernacle:
Hebrews 9:11
When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
You can go from here to the Most Holy Place, but at this moment, the seond curtain will block your way to go there.
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3rd heaven
A 3D space created in front of the first room of the heavenly Tabernacle. This place is commonly called Abraham's Bosom, or Paradise (the first part). From here, you can enter the first room of the heavenly Tabernacle. Those saints without tasting death will live here, including Moses and Elijah.
Hades
A 3D space created for the accomodation of the souls of the dead. This place is commonly referred to as the darkness or gloomy dungeons. Those wicked who failed to enter His rest will be sitting in the darkness here waiting for the coming of the final judgment. For those wicked, this place is their Hell.
Hebrews 3:11
So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.'
Maybe to your surprise, the second part (the virtual part) of the Paradise is built here. Christians will be here, they are said to be entering God's rest or sleeping in Christ. To simply put, they are put to a sleep by His Grace till they are resurrected. For those Christians, this place is thus their paradise.
Hebrews 4:3
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.' "
Daniel is put here.
Daniel 12:13
"As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance."
The heavenly Tabernacle:
Hebrews 9:11
When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
You can go from here to the Most Holy Place, but at this moment, the seond curtain will block your way to go there.
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Lol, you don't know anything about any of us...
I am not curious about who you (and the 'us') are either, I care only about what truth is.
That's fine. As long as you remain respectful of others' thoughts here.I am not curious about who you (and the 'us') are either, I care only about what truth is.
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Q
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I am respectful is far from saying that I will not point out what flaws are in other's thoughts. Unless pointing out the truth is a problem here.
You are welcome to point out your opinion, as this is a discussion forum. However, that only goes so far. For more information pertaining to the Code of Conduct here at CR: http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/code-of-conduct-7047.html
Hope you enjoy your time here Courage, and maybe come away with more than you realized is out there.
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Q
From my speculation, the doctrine of a 'mortal soul' is all about a spiritual war where the anti-Christ camp advocates that Jesus Christ is not needed, God is so loving that you can always find your relief/escape without Jesus Christ.
In the doctrines a 'more authenticated' interpreter is emphasized other than the authenticated GodHead of Church, the Holy Spirit and the Bible itself. So in order for the doctrine to stand, you will see the denial of the Church. They will throw out smoke bombs by attacking that how corrupted today's churches are. Yet what they violate is the Bible view not developed by today's Church but rather developed by the early Church.
So in order for their doctrine to stand, there are two versions of Gospel and Truth, one Gospel and Truth believed by the early Church and Christians from AD33 till now. And another version believed by those advocating the 'mortal soul' and thus the message 'no Jesus Christ is needed' behind the scene.
You are welcome to point out your opinion, as this is a discussion forum. However, that only goes so far. For more information pertaining to the Code of Conduct here at CR: http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/code-of-conduct-7047.html
Hope you enjoy your time here Courage, and maybe come away with more than you realized is out there.
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Q
Ok, thanks for the reminder.
Vajradhara
One of Many
Namaste seattlegal,
whilst it may be that the soul is the self that answer really just shifts the discussion to what the self is.
metta,
~v
Vajradhara
One of Many
And therein lies the koan.
are you sure it's not a mondo? it seems like it to me...
metta,
~v
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
I find it rather interesting that (uncompassionate) behavior we label as 'soulessness' is often associated with what we call 'selfishness.' Hmm...And therein lies the koan.
are you sure it's not a mondo? it seems like it to me...
metta,
~v
Vajradhara
One of Many
Namaste seattlegal,
i cannot say that such a thought has ever occurred to me to label unskillful actions as soulless that is.
nevertheless, doesn't soul=self just move the discussion to what the self is?
metta,
~v
seattlegal
Mercuræn Buddhist
Not necessarily. Soul=self might actually be an instance of interdependent co-arising. It might be worth investigating from that standpoint.