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Looks to me that all you feel is militarism and hatred.
You will either not respond or respond in a way that proves my statement true.
Everyone sees what is reflected within himself/herself, Dogbrain
Looks to me that all you feel is militarism and hatred.
You will either not respond or respond in a way that proves my statement true.
Who said ANYTHING about US government? This is Islamic scripture that specifically states the muslim will LIE to the un-believer in order to protect the Muslim heart. And Dialogue can not deny that passage in the Q'uran, and neither can you. And I hope you have some vestigial knowledge of the Q'uran, before you go putting me in my place, Salt...because Dialogue has not denied one thing I've said this entire thread...so why should you?
I may have been born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.
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by the bye, reading the entire thread might prove interesting to you.
There are many my friend. How shall I start?
Let's start with the soldier:
Matthew 8:5-13 is long, but I encourage your to take the time to read it.5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7 Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." 8 The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." 10 When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour. (Matthew 8:5-13; see Luke 7:1-10)We can learn at least five truths from this inspiring episode.
First, the centurion was kindhearted, for he cared for one of his servants. The centurion asking help for a servant indicates desperation as if he were a moral father, perhaps. He certainly was a caring head of household and commander. Also, the parallel passage in Luke says that some elders of the Jews encouraged Jesus to help the soldier, pleading, "This man deserves to have you do this, because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue" (Luke 7:4-5).
What is the timeless truth drawn from this first point? It is fitting for a soldier to be helpful to a nation that he enters. The (local) elders of the Jews praise this gentile who built their synagogue. It is possible to be godly and to serve in the military, wielding a sword.
Second, the centurion shows some humility. He tells the Lord that he is not worthy of Jesus coming under his roof. This wins the heart of Jesus, catching his attention. Such humility is doubly important for persons in command. Sometimes power corrupts good character, causing us to become arrogant (which is different from confidence, a virtue).
Third, the centurion understands the chain of command. If he tells a soldier to do something, then the soldier does it. In a similar, but spiritual way, if Jesus tells the disease to depart, it will obey. The centurion recognizes that Jesus has spiritual authority that transcends time and place. Jesus does not have to be on location to heal, so the centurion wisely discerns. This is truly a remarkable insight.
Fourth, it is now important to note what Jesus says and does, and what he does not say or do. He honors the centurion’s request and heals his servant. Next, he praises the centurion to high heaven for his insight, using superlative language: "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith" (verse 10), not as great as the gentile commander’s faith. What does Jesus not say or do? He does not denounce the centurion as a military servant of Rome. He never says, "Leave the army, for it is corrupt and intrinsically evil! If you don’t, I’ll never heal your servant!" As a moral example and teacher, if he wanted to point out behavior and practices that harm the people doing them, then he would have done so. But he didn’t.
Fifth and finally, we civilians must honor soldiers and other military personnel. If they need help in practical ways, then let’s pitch in and help. Let’s bring healing not only to a soldier himself or herself, but to his or her household, as well. If Jesus did this, then why should we ignore his example?
Peter and Cornelius, a centurion
Doesn’t a Roman centurion deserve divine censure on the face of it? After all, we’re reading the New Testament that teaches nothing but "peace and love," right? Note God’s assessment of the commander:1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. 2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. 3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, "Cornelius!" 4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. "What is it, Lord?" he asked. The angel answered, "Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. (Acts 10:1-4)big hopes for all mankind (and all men). Christian beliefs that allow for no vengeance.
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Not to be apart of them.And many christians are not... Which is good..
I would rather be seen a "traitor" than go and kill others. And those motivated by love and peace also should be like this. For god's kingdom is not of this realm... So why would those of faith fight and die for a kingdom that they wish not to be part of?
Do you mean that people of faith shouldnt fight (even if they are subject to slavery, attack and exploitation), and that those who fight are of no faith??!! How come??!!![]()
Who said ANYTHING about US government? This is Islamic scripture that specifically states the muslim will LIE to the un-believer in order to protect the Muslim heart. And Dialogue can not deny that passage in the Q'uran, and neither can you.
Which passage is that?
The eposide you have stated with, Quahom1, is quite interesting. Also, the interpertation is more interesting.
So now we may draw some conclusions:
1- Since Jesus (pbuh) praised that soldier, then "love your enemies" may have another meaning.It may be similar to this hadith wherein the prophet Muhamed (pbuh) said:"Assist your brother, whether he be an oppressor or an oppressed. 'But how shall we do it when someone is an oppressor?' Muhammad said, 'Assisting an oppressor is by forbidding and withholding that person from oppression.This is how you help him”. Narrated by Anas.
2- Mosab converted to Christianity because he sees that "love your enemies" is the solution to the Palestinian/ Israeli struggle. Now, with what you have said, Quahom1, we learn that conflict and war are matters of life, and Christians have to get to the field to defend their rights. And that's their right, of course. So, Christianity praise those who fight for their lands, and dignity. And that's logic and reasonable.
3- This fact may lead us to another important question:" since Christianity supports soldiers, and fighters, and since those soldiers are Christians, what is about the "HOW" to fight in the Christian perspective? What are "to do" or "not to do" in conflicts and wars according to Christianity?
didn't see the post Dialogue. Sorry. I'm going to read it and consider my responses...I am still waiting for your reply,Quahom1![]()
The eposide you have stated with, Quahom1, is quite interesting. Also, the interpertation is more interesting.
So now we may draw some conclusions:
1- Since Jesus (pbuh) praised that soldier, then "love your enemies" may have another meaning.It may be similar to this hadith wherein the prophet Muhamed (pbuh) said:"Assist your brother, whether he be an oppressor or an oppressed. 'But how shall we do it when someone is an oppressor?' Muhammad said, 'Assisting an oppressor is by forbidding and withholding that person from oppression.This is how you help him”. Narrated by Anas.
2- Mosab converted to Christianity because he sees that "love your enemies" is the solution to the Palestinian/ Israeli struggle. Now, with what you have said, Quahom1, we learn that conflict and war are matters of life, and Christians have to get to the field to defend their rights. And that's their right, of course. So, Christianity praise those who fight for their lands, and dignity. And that's logic and reasonable.
3- This fact may lead us to another important question:" since Christianity supports soldiers, and fighters, and since those soldiers are Christians, what is about the "HOW" to fight in the Christian perspective? What are "to do" or "not to do" in conflicts and wars according to Christianity?
Dialogue...I think someone just turned up the "heat" on that kettle of fish I'm sitting in...lolHm, sounds like a new thread idea.![]()
1. If you are regarding Jesus helping the centurian as a way of keeping him from becoming frustrated and opressive in order to try and get his way, the validity of the statement Mohammad made, is logical. However, consideration must be given to the fact that the centurian approached Jesus not as a soldier per se, but as a man, who was humble in his knowledge of who he was, standing before Jesus. The centurian felt unworthy before the Son of God, yet decided still to ask for Jesus' help. There was no guile or arrogance in his heart. He didn't care that he was a foriegner, asking a Jewish man for help. He was a man, asking the Lord for help. He also had no doubt that Jesus could help him, but I suspect there was a part of him concerned about whether Jesus "would" help him. Yet he asked anyway, and his petition was granted.
Blaze, he wasn't asking for help on a spiritual level (he knew Jesus as Lord God), he was petitioning Jesus for physical help for one he loved and cared for, as well as confirmation that he (the centurian), could approach the Lord, and be received well. He wanted to know from God, that he and his, mattered to God...i find this scenario very interesting considering that romans were occupying jerusalem, and this roman soldier had power over other soldiers and allegiance to caesar, we find humbling himself before Jesus, and asking Him for help on a spiritual level because he recognized His authority beyond this world.
Which brings the thread right back to Mosab (the OP). Mosab is the centurian, asking Jesus for help, in healing that which he loves most. The only "person" he has found, that stated could and would help if asked, and Mosab sounds like he has taken a "leap of faith", for that which he loves most...Blaze, he wasn't asking for help on a spiritual level (he knew Jesus as Lord God), he was petitioning Jesus for physical help for one he loved and cared for, as well as confirmation that he (the centurian), could approach the Lord, and be received well. He wanted to know from God, that he and his, mattered to God...
The centurian's faith was never in question...the strength of that faith however, amazed even Jesus, as it came from an outsider.
Blaze, he wasn't asking for help on a spiritual level (he knew Jesus as Lord God), he was petitioning Jesus for physical help for one he loved and cared for, as well as confirmation that he (the centurian), could approach the Lord, and be received well. He wanted to know from God, that he and his, mattered to God...
The centurian's faith was never in question...the strength of that faith however, amazed even Jesus, as it came from an outsider.
Ok, that makes perfect sense.I understand what you are saying; however, to know Jesus is Lord God is thru the Spirit, and although the healing is physical, it is thru the power of the Spirit, so it is spiritual.