Suicide in the name of Religion

c0de said:
This a very offensive statement.
Not to mention: a false statement.



p.s. Mr. Resigned, you have some unanswered objections on your thread.
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well different beliefs can sometimes be offensive.
 
GlorytoGod said:
well different beliefs can sometimes be offensive.
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No one on this thread attacked your beliefs.
Your the one who made this comment,
which was totally uncalled for.

I am not asking you to take it back, as it is
your belief. I am not asking for an apology
or anything. I just wanted to get it on the
record that we Muslims do reject this opinion
of yours. That is all. I also wanted to make sure
people understood that not all Christians share
your views.
 
GlorytoGod said:
perhaps you could start by explaining the context of this particular scripture that you were originally talking about Gen 19 I think you said. I am interested to hear your view.





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I'm instead going to drop this as it`s irrelevant to the thread.
 
Resigned said:
Although in context, we’re told that only Noah and his immediate family
survived the adventure cruise. In context, that means only Noah and his
immediate family were left to repopulate the earth. In context, that
suggests some implications regarding procreation that are… how shall we say... Kinda` creepy.
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No creepier than expanding the metaphor of Adam and Eve... anytime we take mythology, metaphor, parables literally they have issues that fall apart.
 
Suicide in the name of Religion
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I don't understand the headline. Who said is was done in the name of religion? You?


Resigned said:
The most recent suicide bombing / mass murder to make the MSM involved the splodin’ of Afghan policemen in the nascent state of Taliban’istan. This one was relatively low yield in comparison to other, more spectacular splodins' and I was curious to know what dynamic others may think cause these acts to be so closely tied to one particular politico-religious ideology.


Bomber in police uniform kills 21 Afghan policemen

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090202/ap_on_re_as/as_afghanistan
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Is there another article besides the one cite ? I see no information at all about religious ideology or religious motive.

This is the third time in a matter of a couple of days that I've caught you making things up or simply assuming essential facts that you are unable to document. I suppose there are games where players keep going after three strikes.


Resigned said:
That’s true. But the purpose of the thread was to explore suicide bombing.
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Based on the headline and the first post, it seems to me that you have a different agenda.

Btw, how were you going to make sense of the suicide bombing without a statement made by the suicide bomber? Ridiculous.
 
Resigned said:
I'm instead going to drop this as it`s irrelevant to the thread.
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well if you are not prepared to justify and explain the basis for your views then I guess that you dont have any knowledge or understanding and are just making flippant comments as an attempt to wind people up.

I believe the term is trolling.
 
c0de said:
I also wanted to make sure people understood that not all Christians share your views.
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Arabic Christians, first and foremost, I suppose.:rolleyes:

But then again, if Muslims use Allah to refer to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it wouldn't be right to say he isn't the Abrahamic God of Judaism and Christianity.

But heck, Jews and Muslims could just as well say the Christian God isn't the same God either. If one can say Allah is a different God (people bring up the moon-God argument or something like that) one might as say Christianity associates partners with God.

I said:
"Allah" is the arabic word for "God".

It's almost like saying "God is not God". :)
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People have spoken often about Allah, Jehovah and Yah-weh, but what about HaShem, the Jewish name for God? Doesn't that deserve a mention here on this web site? It's hardly ever discussed.

There's also Adonai which I read is used in prayer as equivalent to HaShem.

Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Saltmeister said:
Arabic Christians, first and foremost, I suppose.:rolleyes:

But then again, if Muslims use Allah to refer to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it wouldn't be right to say he isn't the Abrahamic God of Judaism and Christianity.

But heck, Jews and Muslims could just as well say the Christian God isn't the same God either. If one can say Allah is a different God (people bring up the moon-God argument or something like that) one might as say Christianity associates partners with God.
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The thing is that, for middle easterners, Eloh & Allah arnt much different. Its more like different pronunciation of same concept. What Muslims/Jews & Christians differ in is model of God, not God. Christian God begets a son, Judeo-Islamic God doesnt. Its like I say,"Tom is a singer". And you say."no he isnt". It will be hilarious to say that singer & non-singer Toms are different people. We have just got different models of "the same tom" in our heads.
 
GlorytoGod said:
well if you are not prepared to justify and explain the basis for your views then I guess that you dont have any knowledge or understanding and are just making flippant comments as an attempt to wind people up.

I believe the term is trolling.
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Oh my. Such melodrama. When you and the other religionists are done bludgeoning each others ` gods with snide epithets, let me know
 
Resigned said:
Oh my. Such melodrama. When you and the other religionists are done bludgeoning each others ` gods with snide epithets, let me know
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... and then you will do what?

As I already reminded you, you have MULTIPLE objections
pending to your entire argument here from different people
who have completely destroyed your entire thesis.
 
Resigned said:
Oh my. Such melodrama. When you and the other religionists are done bludgeoning each others ` gods with snide epithets, let me know
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oh come on mate, if you cant justify your opinions of scripture with some measure of understanding or at least an attempt to, then I can only conclude that your opinions are based on nothing but unbalanced prejudice.
 
Netti-Netti said:
I don't understand the headline. Who said is was done in the name of religion? You?



Is there another article besides the one cite ? I see no information at all about religious ideology or religious motive.

This is the third time in a matter of a couple of days that I've caught you making things up or simply assuming essential facts that you are unable to document. I suppose there are games where players keep going after three strikes.



Based on the headline and the first post, it seems to me that you have a different agenda.

Btw, how were you going to make sense of the suicide bombing without a statement made by the suicide bomber? Ridiculous.
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One of the strangest dynamics one encounters in dealing with apologists
is their refusal to acknowledge that their beliefs can be a wellspring
of hate and derision. While you may prefer to float a conspiracy theory
about this mass murder and the countless others that preceded it, I’m
not inclined to lend an assist to your conspiratorial musings.

It’s important to understand that these mass murders are committed by
deeply religious people who have very narrow and specific motivations
which define their worldviews. Making excuses for this behavior only
increases the damage.

This is the first I’ve heard of your unsupported claim that I’ve “made
something up”. I think more likely you made that up because you think
being inflammatory will garner you attention.

Is this all about you needing attention?


I wasn’t aware that there was an established protocol whereby suicide
bombers were obligated to pen a note as they were on their way to those
carnal rewards.

Perhaps you could author the draft of a form letter… something of a fill
in the blank template that we could save in Microsoft Word.
 
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