Suicide in the name of Religion

[Resigned]

Thanks for proving me right. As far as your accusations are concerned, as they say, it takes two to tango.

You seem more like those people who shout at the Hyde Park. Keep preaching buddy, somebody will eventually convert.

What a silly discussion. The point is that you, like a lot of apologists like to believe you’re a persecuted martyr with very individual and unique beliefs, hence, the refusal to offer anything relevant to my comments.

I offered you a logical progression of historical fact that connects jihad, intonations of allahu akbar, “god willing” and piles of dead bodies. If you are refusing to acknowledge that terms such asallahu akbar and “god willing” are not religious appeals than I cannot help you move beyond intransigent apologetics.

If the results of attitudes such as yours were not so terrible, it would be comical.

It's just a deadly cycle of denial and deceit. Respect for dissenting opinions doesn't mean we ought to be obsequious buffoons and not acknowledge what is evident and obvious.

 

[c0de]

I offered you a logical progression of historical fact that connects jihad, intonations of allahu akbar, “god willing” and piles of dead bodies.

I would substitute that word for any of the following:

cosmetic,depthless, empty, frivolous, glib, half-baked*, hasty, ignorant, inattentive, lightweight,one-dimensional, on the surface, perfunctory, peripheral, quick-fix, seeming, shallow, silly, sketchy, skin-deep*, slapdash*, slight, surface, tip of the iceberg, trivial, uncritical, warped

... any of these would make that sentence sound much more logical.

 

[Netti-Netti]

But as we know, Islam's jihad is a matter of historical record.

When did the Palestinians first invoke "Jihad" ? Did they have a different ideology before that?

There simply isn't any other movement in the world today, religious or secular, whose adherents willfully and regularly murder unarmed civilians en masse.

How many Palestinians did Israel kill and maim last month?

 

[Resigned]

When did the Palestinians first invoke "Jihad" ? Did they have a different ideology before that?

I wasn’t aware that the “Palestinians” had any connection to the Madrid bombings. But of course, your hoping to deflect is pretty transparent.

How many Palestinians did Israel kill and maim last month?

If you have an aptitude for mathematics, you could represent that number as a function of the total rockets fired at Israel. Of course, you can’t bring yourself to even acknowledge that Hamas et al. has any responsibility for their actions.

Yet another failed attempt on your part to side-step addressing the roots of jihad, Islamic politico-religious ideology and the resultant bodies littering the ground.

 

[farhan]

What a silly discussion.

You are in a habit of calling your monologue a discussion.

The point is that you, like a lot of apologists like to believe you’re a persecuted martyr with very individual and unique beliefs,

Who believes that?

hence, the refusal to offer anything relevant to my comments.

Seven pages & you think nobody has "offered" you anything relevant?

I offered you a logical progression of historical fact that connects jihad,

c0de has "offered" some substitutes of this word logical for you. If you ever get tired of preaching, do "offer" your consideration. You realize that other than uber-convulated language, you dont have anything else to "offer".

If the results of attitudes such as yours were not so terrible, it would be comical.

It's just a deadly cycle of denial and deceit. Respect for dissenting opinions doesn't mean we ought to be obsequious buffoons and not acknowledge what is evident and obvious.

The feeling is mutual.

If you have an aptitude for mathematics, you could represent that number as a function of the total rockets fired at Israel.

Could you give any statistics of arrows thrown by Indians upon Europeans. They were obviously responsible for their own eradication.

BTW are you doing some study on us humans? You sound very zombie-ish, keep repeating the same stuff over & over. Thats very unnatural for common "thinking" humans.

 

[Resigned]

You are in a habit of calling your monologue a discussion.

Who believes that?

Seven pages & you think nobody has "offered" you anything relevant?
c0de has "offered" some substitutes of this word logical for you. If you ever get tired of preaching, do "offer" your consideration. You realize that other than uber-convulated language, you dont have anything else to "offer".

The feeling is mutual.


Could you give any statistics of arrows thrown by Indians upon Europeans. They were obviously responsible for their own eradication.

BTW are you doing some study on us humans? You sound very zombie-ish, keep repeating the same stuff over & over. Thats very unnatural for common "thinking" humans.

If you're going to bail at any attempt to address the thread subject just be honest, say so, and avoid wasting bandwidth . Paragraphs of your hand-wringing is boring.

Any response to my historical examples that connect jihad, intonations of allahu akbar, “god willing” and piles of dead bodies?

 

[farhan]

If you're going to bail at any attempt to address the thread subject just be honest, say so, and avoid wasting bandwidth . Paragraphs of your hand-wringing is boring.

You are getting crazier with each new post. Try to open your eyes & look into the previous seven pages. Learn to learn....

Any response to my historical examples that connect jihad, intonations of allahu akbar, “god willing” and piles of dead bodies?

Historical examples? Do you even comprehend the words you type?

 

[Resigned]

Historical examples? Do you even comprehend the words you type?

Yes. Which is why you won't even attempt to address the thread subject but instead stagger and reel.

 

[c0de]

BTW are you doing some study on us humans? You sound very zombie-ish, keep repeating the same stuff over & over. Thats very unnatural for common "thinking" humans.

You know... your rite dude...

Now that I think about it, he has been repeating the same thing over
and over and over again... like he just pretends like no objection to his
point exists!

Its actually starting to creep me out...

 

[farhan]

Yes. Which is why you won't even attempt to address the thread subject but instead stagger and reel.

You still haven opened your eyes, or mind. Get a cup of coffee, & an eye cleaning solution.

You are an interesting character BTW. I thought fundamentalist Zionist Christians were the worst of the lot, least on the scale of rationality. You have indeed made me change my mind. God must love crazy people .... he makes so many of them.

 

[Resigned]

You still haven opened your eyes, or mind. Get a cup of coffee, & an eye cleaning solution.

You are an interesting character BTW. I thought fundamentalist Zionist Christians were the worst of the lot, least on the scale of rationality. You have indeed made me change my mind. God must love crazy people .... he makes so many of them.

... and still no attempt to address the thread topic.

 

[farhan]

You know... your rite dude...

Now that I think about it, he has been repeating the same thing over
and over and over again... like he just pretends like no objection to his
point exists!

Its actually starting to creep me out...

I recently saw a movie. Humans were on some planet, & aliens had build human looking machines with limited intelligence. They infiltrated among humans , kept repeating a few sentences (they had the capacity of reorganizing words), & at the right time blew humans up. At the end of the movie, the hero realized that the lady he loved was an alien too.

The only way of knowing the person is alien or not was to ask him different questions, & he will answer the same

(Hint:see the post above )

 

[Resigned]

I recently saw a movie. Humans were on some planet, & aliens had build human looking machines with limited intelligence. They infiltrated among humans , kept repeating a few sentences (they had the capacity of reorganizing words), & at the right time blew humans up. At the end of the movie, the hero realized that the lady he loved was an alien too.

The only way of knowing the person is alien or not was to ask him different questions, & he will answer the same

(Hint:see the post above )

It's a shame that you're spamming the thread because of an inability to address the thread topic.

Instead, you chose to waste so much time in a vigorous attempt to prove your ignorance of the subject. You just aren’t honest enough to admit that's the case.

 

[Netti-Netti]

It's a shame that you're spamming the thread because of an inability to address the thread topic.

Please cite an example of a suicide bombing that was influenced by political/religious ideology.

 

[Resigned]

Please cite an example of a suicide bombing that was influenced by political/religious ideology.

Is this tag team spamming with you and farhan?

 

[Netti-Netti]

Is this tag team spamming with you and farhan?

You pointed out the need to stay on track. I agree, we should stay on track. And I'm confident that you will demonstrate your ability to address the thread topic.

In the OP you write: "I was curious to know what dynamic others may think cause these acts to be so closely tied to one particular politico-religious ideology." I'm merely asking you why you believe there is a connection. Please provide a previous example that has suggested to you that there is a connection.

I believe your starting point would be to establish the politico-religious ideology that calls for suicide. Procedurally, this shouldn't be very difficult - especially for you because you have been actively researching Islam for some time.

I expect we'll get this settled very quickly... especially if you would just go ahead and address the question and refrain from polemics, distracting lectures, rhetorical evasions, and irrelevant comments.

 

[Resigned]

You pointed out the need to stay on track. I agree, we should stay on track. And I'm confident that you will demonstrate your ability to address the thread topic.

It’s obvious you don’t agree. You feel an entitlement to spam this thread with off-topic piffle and then make buffoonish demands that “we” stay on track. Your entire participation in this thread has been for the purpose of spamming.

You’re incapable of addressing the very examples of the proof you are desperate to avoid.

I'll thank you to cease with your juvenile pranks.

 

[Netti-Netti]

You’re incapable of addressing the very examples of the proof you are desperate to avoid.

Examples of what and where are they?

 

[Resigned]

Examples of what and where are they?

Do you mean the ones your avoiding - the ones you're side-stepping by spamming the thread?

 

[Netti-Netti]

Do you mean the ones your avoiding - the ones you're side-stepping by spamming the thread?

I'm not sure why you're being evasive. Where are these examples you're referring to?

Btw, the news story at the top of the thread tells us nothing about a connection between suicidal acts and politico-religious ideology. Did you have other examples in mind?