Face of god...

[wil]

Yes it is.

For without man there would be no religion, no talk of god, and no talk of heaven and hell.

It is man that has animated religion, brought it into being.

heehee, and without man...there wouldn't be this forum and wouldn't be you or me...what's your point? Man made is evil, take off them clothes, quit driving that car, quit typing on that keyboard...they are man made.

Is it suddenly an enlightened view that religions were the interpretations of man?

 

[c0de]

Yes it is.

For without man there would be no religion, no talk of god, and no talk of heaven and hell.

It is man that has animated religion, brought it into being.

You forgot to add: "... according to atheists."

 

[enlightenment]

You forgot to add: "... according to atheists."

Um.

No.

According to logic.

Had there been no mankind, who do you suppose would have fussed themselves with the whole concept? Do you see many Muslim ants or Jewish birds...

 

[enlightenment]

No tirade, no pinning words, as long as you are coming from an atheist perspective you can't be neutral...your atheist, hence your reasoning for questioning all things religious.

Really?

Tsk. Isn't misrepresentation a form of lying, and therefore a sin? In which case, can you please show me when I have ever used these particular words...



"Your contention is we are all nuts"

 

[c0de]

Um.

No.

According to logic.

You sure you want to start this train again?

Had there been no mankind, who do you suppose would have fussed themselves with the whole concept? Do you see many Muslim ants or Jewish birds...

A lot of suppositions there. Suppose this, suppose that...
Are you trying to make an actual argument?

 

[enlightenment]

You sure you want to start this train again?

There is no 'train'. Shut your eyes. Imagine that mankind had finally managed to blow themselves up, so there was no more homo sapien. Or that a virus had killed us all off. There would be no mankind. Religion would die. There is no other species that knows of the concept, therefore it would die.




A lot of suppositions there. Suppose this, suppose that...
Are you trying to make an actual argument?

Um.

Ya.

I was kinda guessing that since insects and animals don't go to church now, that they may not do so if man had ceased to exist!

 

[c0de]

Um.

Ya.

I was kinda guessing that since insects and animals don't go to church now, that they may not do so if man had ceased to exist!

(what is with the bold again? Are you the kind of person
who starts yelling when you are trying to make a point?)

How do you know that insects don't pray?
What sort of "logic" are you applying to deduce
these facts?

If God created all creatures, then LOGICALLY we can
deduce that all creatures have their own methods of recognizing
His existence. This is clearly outlined in the Quran.

Your turn. (and give the bold a rest dude)

 

[enlightenment]

(what is with the bold again? Are you the kind of person
who starts yelling when you are trying to make a point?)

*Sigh. No, but with you I could see how it might be easy. I haven't figured out how to break up quotes here, no biggie. No surprise that you look past the obvious, and make an ad hom assumption. *

How do you know that insects don't pray?
What sort of "logic" are you applying to deduce
these facts?

I can barely be bothered to credit this with an answer. Well, first of all, I have studied insects over many years. Yet to see one do a single thing that would constituate as prayer. In other words I assert it, since there is no evidence to support any other position. But that doesn't matter to you, I suppose.

If God created all creatures, then LOGICALLY we can
deduce that all creatures have their own methods of recognizing
His existence. This is clearly outlined in the Quran.

Then it is an utterly absurd notion. Do we follow that thought then, and does an errant earwig go to hell?

Your turn. (and give the bold a rest dude)

Your turn. The bold is no biggie. Relax about it.

Thanks

 

[c0de]

*Sigh. No, but with you I could see how it might be easy. I haven't figured out how to break up quotes here, no biggie. No surprise that you look past the obvious, and make an ad hom assumption. *

LOL Talk about laziness!
just do it manually man.
It takes like 2 seconds.

I can barely be bothered to credit this with an answer. Well, first of all, I have studied insects over many years. Yet to see one do a single thing that would constituate as prayer. In other words I assert it, since there is no evidence to support any other position. But that doesn't matter to you, I suppose.

I asked you to prove to me that insects do not
recognize God's existence in their own way.
Do you speak bee? If you do, and can talk
to them, tell me what they think about that Seinfeld
movie.

Then it is an utterly absurd notion. Do we follow that thought then, and does an errant earwig go to hell?

It is not a notion, it is application of logic in an argument.
You asserted that non-human creatures do not recognize
the existence of God. I countered by saying you have no
proof of this. If God exists (and I believe He does) then
according to His scripture He has said that all creatures
recognize His existence in their own way.

The only thing left for you to do, is to disprove God's existence.


Your turn

(and learn how to quote! Your on a forum dude... seriously)

 

[enlightenment]

Code.

Breaking up quotes. I really don't care. Patently you are able to read what I write, why be such a pedant?

Btw.

If there is a fly on my window next time, should I think twice lest it is having a little prayer.

PMSL..

 

[c0de]

Code.

Breaking up quotes. I really don't care. Patently you are able to read what I write, why be such a pedant?

Btw.

If there is a fly on my window next time, should I think twice lest it is having a little prayer.

PMSL..

I noticed your reply avoids everything besides
responding to the quip about your quoting abilities
(or the lack thereof).

What happened? I thought you were going to attempt
to disprove God. Alas... this isn't the first time you have
backed away from a challenge... is it?

 

[Marsh]

I can barely be bothered to credit this with an answer. Well, first of all, I have studied insects over many years. Yet to see one do a single thing that would constituate as prayer. In other words I assert it, since there is no evidence to support any other position. But that doesn't matter to you, I suppose.

In the Bible, there is a verse from Revelation that says...

And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:

“Blessing and honor and glory and power
belong to the one sitting on the throne
and to the Lamb forever and ever.”


I don't believe that worshipping God is limited to the traditional human methods of singing, praying, etc. These are important to those of us who find importance in them, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the living world does not, unconsciously or even consciously, worship and honour God. In fact, out of all of God's creatures we are the only ones, I think, that consciously sin against him by deliberately hurting others. God was pleased with what he created, says the book of Genesis. And then we outsmarted ourselves.

I don't necessarily think that the flies on your window are going to sing this song, E. However, the sentiment remains that, in my beliefs, wickedness will be removed from the Earth, and that is something that all of God's creatures will have a share in. Remember: people inflict violence on animals every day; they wouldn't be very sad to see the wicked among us removed.


By the way, have you multiplied lately? God's still waiting to exist.

 

[enlightenment]

I noticed your reply avoids everything besides
responding to the quip about your quoting abilities
(or the lack thereof).

What happened? I thought you were going to attempt
to disprove God. Alas... this isn't the first time you have
backed away from a challenge... is it?

More misinformation.

At no time have I ever promised that I could DISprove god.

Show me a link to when I have used those words?

Thanks

 

[c0de]

More misinformation.

At no time have I ever promised that I could DISprove god.

Show me a link to when I have used those words?

Thanks

LoL, did I say that you said that?
I said I thought you will actually try to.
Of course, I was being sarcastic, I know you can't.

 

[enlightenment]

I am going to add this to the cyber cake.

According to christian beleif, god impregnated mary, she had a son, and that son was to be called 'jesus', the son of god, and his prophet on earth.

Let's go with that for a moment...

If this is so, could it be that satan, the nemesis of god, also has the potential to impregnate an ordinary women, and spawn the son of his seed?

The archetypal birth of the anti christ (sic), as it were.


Of course, he would need a motive.

God's apparent motive was to send his son here to be killed, so that he could 'die for our sins'. Whether that strategy was a winner or not, is up to you to decide..

So Satan would need a motive.

How about mayhem? Make the right women pregnant, he could finish up as President of the US, think of the potential for havoc there?

Just a thought..

 

[enlightenment]

LoL, did I say that you said that?
I said I thought you will actually try to.
Of course, I was being sarcastic, I know you can't.

Fella.

No offence, but this is getting boring for me, and maybe for you, I would expect.

I have looked at your join date.

And the number of posts that you have made.

Strikes me that you have too much time on your hands...

 

[c0de]

Fella.

No offence, but this is getting boring for me, and maybe for you, I would expect.

I have looked at your join date.

And the number of posts that you have made.

Strikes me that you have too much time on your hands...

LoL what makes you think replying to the likes of you takes time?
I am actually doing research for an essay in the other window and
reading at the same time, taking down quotes I want to use.
See, my generation can actually do this thing called "multi-tasking"
Maybe if you weren't spending your youth learning about bugs, you might
have picked this trait up too : p

Also, when you actually have a response to the challenge
of proving your own views, let me know.


p.s. I am also watching Assasination of Jesse James on the satt by the way.
now that I think about it, maybe I should try to focus a little on actually writing the essay.

 

[enlightenment]

LoL what makes you think replying to the likes of you takes time?
I am actually doing research for an essay in the other window and
reading at the same time, taking down quotes I want to use.
See, my generation can actually do this thing called "multi-tasking"
Maybe if you weren't spending your youth learning about bugs, you might
have picked this trait up too : p

Also, when you actually have a response to the challenge
of proving your own views, let me know.


p.s. I am also watching Assasination of Jesse James on the satt by the way.
now that I think about it, maybe I should try to focus a little on actually writing the essay.

Chap, as I have said, I don't know you personally, but I think you need to relax a little.

Try less multi tasking.

It only ever means that you get lots of jobs done moderately well, rather than one done with excellence.

*waves*

 

[c0de]

Chap, as I have said, I don't know you personally, but I think you need to relax a little.

Try less multi tasking.

It only ever means that you get lots of jobs done moderately well, rather than one done with excellence.

*waves*

No its ok... I am not here to relax, I can do that in my actual life.
Your the one who seems to need this venue to relax.... Why is that?
Real life not treating you well? Is coming on the net and berating
religion your way of getting your kicks? thats... sad.

 

[enlightenment]

No its ok... I am not here to relax, I can do that in my actual life.
Your the one who seems to need this venue to relax.... Why is that?
Real life not treating you well? Is coming on the net and berating
religion your way of getting your kicks? thats... sad.

*Yawns*

Know what?

This is boring for everyone.

I am going to ignore you.