why cant i ignore moderators ?

[iBrian]

I'm not knocking the website... I'm knocking your behavior, the behavior of a person like Quahom1, and other moderators who have followed suit. I'll rebuke that behavior here, in places more distant, and in places more closer to home.

I know - I remember you invited yourself to my home and travelled a long distance here despite my insistence that it was not welcome.

We met instead in public, I discussed matters, and thought I'd explained to you what happened. I continued to give you a chance to be a part of the forums, if you wanted it.

However, all you seem to do is continue to decry myself and staff here, spreading falsehoods, and condemning us as "liars", "hypocrites" and "evil."

And then you spend the rest of your time here sitting in judgement on other members and condemning them.

None of which is at all welcome.

The internet is a big place, and you're welcome to continue that attitude on your own forum, should you ever build one.

But I'm making it plain, here and now, that any member whose sole reason for being here appears to be to slam the site and members, has no place on this website.

So ask yourself whether you really want to take part on an interfaith site, discussing issues of faith and religion. If you do, you're welcome - but if you add one more post slamming this place to the dozens you've already posted, then I can only show you the door.

It's your decision, but I can't allow this situation to continue.

then why have it.

Well, when you were a Christian you were happy to complain about the behaviour of non-Christian members and ask for my attention - remember SacredStar?

And now you act as if nothing was ever done on this site to try and accommodate you, which is not simply false, but completely ungrateful.

You've become a very bitter person, bandit, but all you seem to be doing now is treating this place as somewhere to vent negatively at the community.

If all you want to be is a tyre kicker, then it's not welcome here, and you'll have to decide whether you really want to be a part of the community here, or apart from it.

 

[Tao_Equus]

Brian,

I agree with you that Ciberpi has become tedious. His dogged determination to chew on one bone and one bone alone a bit obsessive. But that is because there has been no resolution to the ongoing issues. There is a balance to be struck between moderation and censorship that this site, despite the complaints, does pretty well in. But it seems to me you take things a bit too personally at times. I know it is your baby but I think you have to relax a bit...
You are entitled to stick to your rules but if you are going to get upset every time someone challenges them you are going to be doing a lot of banning... is that what you want?

Your 'personal attack' on Bandit seems uncannily familiar to me. I disagree with your prognosis entirely. Bandit's posts have undergone a distinct evolution toward rationalism. I can only applaud that.

 

[iBrian]

The problem is that I know there are established members of the site who are getting tired of the sense of community being repeatedly challenged by a small number of people who seem only interested in challenging it, and have spoken about taking leave from the site.

So it's increasingly looking at a choice of whether I continue being tolerant to those who insistence on intolerance here, and lose constructive members - or move the place forwards.

IO exists to provide a platform for discussion of issues relating to faith and religion - that's what we should be focused on.

 

[Saltmeister]

However, all you seem to do is continue to decry myself and staff here, spreading falsehoods, and condemning us as "liars", "hypocrites" and "evil."

And then you spend the rest of your time here sitting in judgement on other members and condemning them.

None of which is at all welcome.

The internet is a big place, and you're welcome to continue that attitude on your own forum, should you ever build one.

But I'm making it plain, here and now, that any member whose sole reason for being here appears to be to slam the site and members, has no place on this website.

So ask yourself whether you really want to take part on an interfaith site, discussing issues of faith and religion. If you do, you're welcome - but if you add one more post slamming this place to the dozens you've already posted, then I can only show you the door.

It's your decision, but I can't allow this situation to continue.

My theory is that cyberpi seems to like playing with words, but I'm not being fault-finding here.

I believe cyberpi does what you call this "condemnation," "liars," "hypocrites," and "evil" because of what happened when he first came to CR (now called Interfaith.org/IO). You wouldn't understand this as well unless you actually spent time watching the discussions to see how they started or if you actually got involved. I haven't said much to cyberpi since then but we did exchange a few discussions at the very beginning when he was a new member.

I believe that we are shaped by our first impressions, and I believe that cyberpi's posting style was shaped by my posting style when we first exchanged posts and had a conversation. Cyberpi's impression of what it meant to post here was shaped by my posts. This is something that you would not understand unless you had actually had any intense or heated exchange with cyberpi three years ago when he first signed up.

What happened in the next three years doesn't really matter. That's because cyberpi hadn't really changed since then. His mentality was still based on his first impressions when he came here. He never moved on from the experience he had with my rather weird posting style back then.

Soon after me and cyberpi's "weird discussions" with each other, cyberpi started getting into heated confrontations with Quahom. One thing about my early exchanges with cyberpi was that we both over-analysed topics of discussion. I was proud of my over-analytical and convoluted views.

But the surprise comes when you meet someone else who wants to be just as over-analytical and convoluted in their views as you. The problem, however, is that their views are different to your's. I stopped having my weird, convoluted discussions with cyberpi because well . . . I decided that I just couldn't compete.

But cyberpi just didn't know when to stop. He thought that everybody was just as weird and convoluted as me in their views and ideas. He didn't know that I had given up and that he had won.

I believe the constant experience of heated discussions with Quahom has had a deep influence on cyberpi. He allowed his experiences as well as his posting style to be influenced by his interaction with Quahom and myself.

Things got worse as cyberpi's convoluted posts diverged towards commentary on the way moderators dealt with members who weren't a constructive presence. That's when the encounters with Quahom got really heated.

What I suggest is this: cyberpi needs to move on from that experience. We need to give cyberpi a fresh start.

 

[Bandit]

I know - I remember you invited yourself to my home and travelled a long distance here despite my insistence that it was not welcome.

We met instead in public, I discussed matters, and thought I'd explained to you what happened. I continued to give you a chance to be a part of the forums, if you wanted it.

However, all you seem to do is continue to decry myself and staff here, spreading falsehoods, and condemning us as "liars", "hypocrites" and "evil."

And then you spend the rest of your time here sitting in judgement on other members and condemning them.

None of which is at all welcome.

The internet is a big place, and you're welcome to continue that attitude on your own forum, should you ever build one.

But I'm making it plain, here and now, that any member whose sole reason for being here appears to be to slam the site and members, has no place on this website.

So ask yourself whether you really want to take part on an interfaith site, discussing issues of faith and religion. If you do, you're welcome - but if you add one more post slamming this place to the dozens you've already posted, then I can only show you the door.

It's your decision, but I can't allow this situation to continue.



Well, when you were a Christian you were happy to complain about the behaviour of non-Christian members and ask for my attention - remember SacredStar?

And now you act as if nothing was ever done on this site to try and accommodate you, which is not simply false, but completely ungrateful.

You've become a very bitter person, bandit, but all you seem to be doing now is treating this place as somewhere to vent negatively at the community.

If all you want to be is a tyre kicker, then it's not welcome here, and you'll have to decide whether you really want to be a part of the community here, or apart from it.

You only accomodate in your mind & your preaching of diplomacy isn;t what you actually do. I don't care what you do or dont do with your religion forum. This is a public forum, not a home to me. If you dont like certain people here then throw us out & make it permanent.

However, all you seem to do is continue to decry myself and staff here, spreading falsehoods, and condemning us as "liars", "hypocrites" and "evil."

And then you spend the rest of your time here sitting in judgement on other members and condemning them.

that is your own falsehood you created and I would expect nothing less as it isn't the first time you have thrown false accusations at people.

 

[greymare]

FAIR DINKUM!!!
If you dont like what someone has written, and you want to ignore them, just do it.
dont respond.
its not hard.
Ignore them the old fashioned way.
Or go crying to mama, your choice.
Plenty ignore me all the time, and I have ignored some as well. i know there are some ignoring me right now, yes, you know who you are. and thats fine.
JUST GIVE IT A REST OR SHOULD I CALL THE WAAAAAHMBULANCE.

 

[17th Angel]

lol I think they want some cheese with their whine Greymare.

 

[wil]

Forum, community.

What is the difference?

Either way it seems to me we come, we move in, we try, we stay, we leave.

All based on what the community provides for us.

If I like what the community provides I stay and assist.

If I like most of what the community provides I stay and work from within the bounds to foment change.

If I bump heads, get nowhwere, or don't like what the community provides...I leave.

I don't understand why others choose to stay just to disrupt. Of course I don't understand hackers that create malicious viruses. And I don't understand folks that do the same in physical environments and not just virtual ones.

btw, I don't know if I am one that many would like to ignore or not...

but I have yet to use the ignore feature on anyone... I find my eyes and mouse have the ability to gloss over or move beyond those posts or folks that prattle on on whatever...

My keyboard also has a delete key. Just like my TV can get different channels, my internet can get different forums, can't understand why some are stuck here...another thing I don't understand.

There is just a lot of stuff I don't understand.

 

[17th Angel]

Creating viri is nothing like this...

I for example stay here (for the time being) because it is just a habit I hae got stuck into. *shrugs* I most likley disrupt, I guess most of the time I don't mean to, it's just boredom.... And without that "motivation" to make me look elsewhere I kinda just hang around.

Perhaps that is the same for others to.

 

[Bandit]

I don't understand why others choose to stay just to disrupt.

it is only disrupting because any comments or suggestions not liked here are viewed that way. There are 4 people here saying the same exact thing about some of the mods being obnoxious & out of line. This is not acceptable feedback. Now, if those 4 people post -All the Mods are great & do no wrong, CR is heaven with streets of gold-, then that is acceptable feedback.

What people have suggested here are all perfect suggestions & I do not view them as disrupting. On the other hand I know this place well enough to know that making a complaint or any kind of feedback not liked is not heard & is a waste of time, which is why I would never bother starting a feedback thread but the newer people have yet to learn that.

 

[Bandit]

Creating viri is nothing like this...

I for example stay here (for the time being) because it is just a habit I hae got stuck into. *shrugs* I most likley disrupt, I guess most of the time I don't mean to, it's just boredom.... And without that "motivation" to make me look elsewhere I kinda just hang around.

Perhaps that is the same for others to.

You just like to have a good time at whatever it is you are doing. I view it as cheap entertainment.

 

[17th Angel]

lol I am nothing but a cheap entertainer.... lol But hey good timing you say? That's at least one thing eh!

(ps. lol I know what you meant.)

 

[iBrian]

Bandit, which mods are currently out of line in your opinion?

 

[Bandit]

lol I am nothing but a cheap entertainer.... lol But hey good timing you say? That's at least one thing eh!

(ps. lol I know what you meant.)

Right. religion debates/forums are a dime a dozen & are cheap entertainment, not you. There is only one you

 

[Bandit]

Bandit, which mods are currently out of line in your opinion?

like it matters

 

[wil]

like it matters

Now I would think that as the owner was willing to ask, this is an indication that it matters.

I could see where one would prefer to PM and not respond in an open forum. But complaining there is an issue and than deciding not to detail the issue when asked.

This seems counterproductive for the rant. Lack of response is an indication to me that the complaint was not valid and just venting in the first place.

Which to me seems out of place for you.

 

[Bandit]

Now I would think that as the owner was willing to ask, this is an indication that it matters.

I could see where one would prefer to PM and not respond in an open forum. But complaining there is an issue and than deciding not to detail the issue when asked.

This seems counterproductive for the rant. Lack of response is an indication to me that the complaint was not valid and just venting in the first place.

Which to me seems out of place for you.

i think their feedback & suggestions are very valid & I agree with them & would definately put a couple of mods on ignore, but at the same time...
there will always be issues, the same old issues as they ever were. the lack of response is because i already know -it is what it is and no matter how much i respond to the king and the kings men, it will remain what it is- & I accept what will never change. and I said, that I dont care how this place is run or not run. I explained that unliked feedback is not acceptable here & I know this from experience. That is what I am indicating.

 

[iBrian]

i think their feedback & suggestions are very valid & I agree with them & would definately put a couple of mods on ignore, but at the same time...
there will always be issues, the same old issues as they ever were. the lack of response is because i already know -it is what it is and no matter how much i respond to the king and the kings men, it will remain what it is- & I accept what will never change. and I said, that I dont care how this place is run or not run. I explained that unliked feedback is not acceptable here & I know this from experience. That is what I am indicating.

You claim that none of us listen to feedback - and yet when SacredStar was a prolific poster on the Christianity board, you were appealing for help in keeping the board more Christian-focused - something I certainly helped address after requests from yourself and others.

And yet now you claim that no one ever listens to feedback raised, and I will contest that.

I ask for specifics - you can't provide any - so you just fall back into general invective - and that's not feedback.

 

[Bandit]

You claim that none of us listen to feedback - and yet when SacredStar was a prolific poster on the Christianity board, you were appealing for help in keeping the board more Christian-focused - something I certainly helped address after requests from yourself and others.

And yet now you claim that no one ever listens to feedback raised, and I will contest that.

I ask for specifics - you can't provide any - so you just fall back into general invective - and that's not feedback.

-and you just fall back into your general invective-
you did that because you were personally also fed up with SS & everyone complained about that including yourself. stop trying to charge me alone with that crap as you listening.

I ask for specifics and you cant provide any.

 

[wil]

-and you just fall back into your general invective-
you did that because you were personally also fed up with SS & everyone complained about that including yourself. stop trying to charge me alone with that crap as you listening.

I ask for specifics and you cant provide any.

Namaste Bandit.

I'm seriously confused. First over the years I've appreciated your input and discussion. I've enjoyed our conversations and look forward to continuing to do so.

But your continuing without offering some constructive solutions and specifics on your problem gets us nowhere and provides exactly the situation you indicate you'd like to eradicate.

If you were to say, I have a problem with X and the way s/he does things, and I have a problem with this rule and the way it is administered.

And if those things were not addressed, discussed, modified. You'd have a valid argument and more ammo than you need to actually state your case.

But this tit for tat does not fit my perception of you.

I'm confused.