Why is Christianity loosing the cultural war ?

soleil10 said:
Angels were created before humans. Lucifer was placed as a teacher for Adam and Eve. Unfortunately as Adam and Eve were growing , Lucifer became jealous of God's love for his children. He started to feel a lack of love and this is why trouble started.

God did not leave A&E alone without guidance.
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I just did a search through Genesis 1-3, King James Version, 2000, on the words: Lucifer, Satan, Angels, Jealous, Jealousy and Love. Not one of those words were found.

Sleil10, you do quite a bit of reading between the lines. Perhaps that's why you can't give SG what she asks for.
 
wil said:
Namaste S10,
I removed the link from your post. We are not advertising your blog here.
This method of circumventing a direct question by SG is baloney. She's asked three times, for three different statements of yours and you've ignored them all.
The only reason she is asking...our queen of research and instant availability of information...is because what you are stating is contrary to what she knows. And she'd like you to prove your point.
Feel free to post your responses here, and you can easily copy them to your blog, surely cntrl c/cntrl v isn't out of your realm of ability...so time consuming it is.
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It is my experience that when someone just post in 3 words at the end of a long post that they just want scriptures without making the effort to be specific which part or which point of the post they are talking about, it is a waste of my time to respond.

When I posted many scriptures before after this kind of request, it did not make any difference because the request was not serious to begin with since the content of the post was not even aknowledged.
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wil said:
Interesting by the definition at Unificationist.org it appears you are not...a unificationist that is. I just haven't seen that from you here.
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OK, Wil whatever you say.
 
citizenzen said:
I just did a search through Genesis 1-3, King James Version, 2000, on the words: Lucifer, Satan, Angels, Jealous, Jealousy and Love. Not one of those words were found.
Sleil10, you do quite a bit of reading between the lines. Perhaps that's why you can't give SG what she asks for.
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Ok, citizen, why dont you explain what was Lucifer's motivation to tempt Eve and mislead her? What was the fruit ? Why is the fall (original sin) transmited from generation to generation until today
Why did Eve respond to him. Why she became afraid and went to Adam ? etc.....

Please do a search and if this answer is not there then ........

You can even google it if you want.

Your computer has all the answers.
 
soleil10 said:
Ok, citizen, why dont you explain what was Lucifer's motivation to tempt Eve and mislead her? What was the fruit ? Why is the fall (original sin) transmited from generation to generation until today
Why did Eve respond to him. Why she became afraid and went to Adam ? etc.....

Your computer has all the answers.
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Computers don't have all the answers.

But they are helpful in exposing the false claims of people who think they do. ;)
 
greymare said:
My apologise, Sol, sometimes, i spell not so good.
I neva dun much book lernin.
The only name i dont seem to mispel is bobx.
There doesnt seem to be much unification going on here, does there?
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Oh yes there is. It is usually against me
 
soleil10 said:
That was not an answer but a cope out
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I had to "cope" out... I'm the atheist. I don't think you'd have appreciated my answers to your questions. But if you wish, I could give them a go.

soleil10 said:
Oh yes there is. It is usually against me
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Could it be because you are using self-invented pseudo-scripture as a basis for denying civil rights in a country governed by secular law?

MMMmmmmmmmm... could be.
 
Sol, I try to take people as I find them. I try to not think little of them because their life choices etc are different to me. If people are nice to me, then i try to be nice as well. I try not to judge people, tho I am only human and I do err. I have met many people whose lives are completely different to mine, i have friends who are muslims, athiests, homosexuals, all these things are different to me. While i do not partake in their differences, It doesnt make a difference to my opinion of them. Mainly because these people arent trying to tell me that my life is wrong because it is different from theirs. I love haveing these people as friends and one of the reasons is because they are so different from me. DIVERSITY BABY!
 
s10 said:
It is my experience that when someone just post in 3 words at the end of a long post that they just want scriptures without making the effort to be specific which part or which point of the post they are talking about, it is a waste of my time to respond.
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S10,

SG took the time to cull out of your posts the paragraph she had questions on. She highlighted the text she requested info on. And then wrote "Scriptural reference please"

I don't see how that is an overly burdensome on you. You are trying to prove a point, she if you've read anything here has an amazing ability to find texts and scripture and poetry from any number of sources to prove her points. She is merely asking you to validate your statements.
 
citizenzen said:
I had to "cope" out... I'm the atheist. I don't think you'd have appreciated my answers to your questions. But if you wish, I could give them a go.
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I think you should

citizenzen said:
Could it be because you are using self-invented pseudo-scripture as a basis for denying civil rights in a country governed by secular law?MMMmmmmmmmm... could be.
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You say you are atheist, then you say that I uses invented-pseudo-scripture. For an atheist I would think that all scriptures are pseudo.
 
soleil10 said:
That was not an answer but a cope out
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Oh, I just love irony! :cool:

{I'd use this quote as a signature line if Brian allowed signatures!}

I would like to know your references for Lucifer being placed as a teacher for Adam and Eve, as well as jealousy being Lucifer's sin, rather than pride.
 
wil said:
S10,SG took the time to cull out of your posts the paragraph she had questions on. She highlighted the text she requested info on. And then wrote "Scriptural reference please"
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That is not the case. Go back and check
 
soleil10 said:
You say you are atheist, then you say that I uses invented-pseudo-scripture. For an atheist I would think that all scriptures are pseudo.
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Well, if it's actually in the Bible, then I can't call if pseudo-scripture.

Scrip⋅ture
–noun
1. Often, Scriptures. Also called Holy Scripture, Holy Scriptures. the sacred writings of the Old or New Testaments or both together.
2. (often lowercase) any writing or book, esp. when of a sacred or religious nature.
3. (sometimes lowercase) a particular passage from the Bible; text.​

When it's pulled out of your behind, then it becomes pseudo-scripture.

And I do look forward to offering you my interpretation of the Fall. It will however, have to wait until I've finished my dinner.
 
soleil10 said:
wil said:
S10,SG took the time to cull out of your posts the paragraph she had questions on. She highlighted the text she requested info on. And then wrote "Scriptural reference please"
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That is not the case. Go back and check
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SG said:
S10 said:
Angels were created before humans. Lucifer was placed as a teacher for Adam and Eve. Unfortunately as Adam and Eve were growing , Lucifer became jealous of God's love for his children. He started to feel a lack of love and this is why trouble started.

God did not leave A&E alone without guidance.
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Scriptural reference, please.
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I did, she did.
 
soleil10 said:
This is not the post I was talking about. Go back and look further
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Oy! How about this clarification?
seattlegal said:
soleil10 said:
That was not an answer but a cope out
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Oh, I just love irony! :cool:

{I'd use this quote as a signature line if Brian allowed signatures!}

I would like to know your references for Lucifer being placed as a teacher for Adam and Eve, as well as jealousy being Lucifer's sin, rather than pride.
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Or would rather just continue to cop out on answering this?
 
seattlegal said:
I would like to know your references for Lucifer being placed as a teacher for Adam and Eve, as well as jealousy being Lucifer's sin, rather than pride.
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Seattle, I would be more than happy to respond
The revealing of the identity of the serpent takes place in Isaiah 14:12 “how you have fallen from heaven O Lucifer son of dawn.
Lucifer the archangel is the serpent who tempts the daughter of God to eat the fruit that God said not to eat.
So rather than a “serpent” tempting the daughter of God to eat the fruit…we are dealing with a revered presence in the Garden…. Lucifer the Archangel.
What was Lucifer’s role in Eden ?
Ezekiel 28:12-19 is very revealing. Lucifer is referred to as a “covering cherub.” This is akin to guardian angel. Lucifer was there to “protect, serve and share his wisdom”.
Why would scripture use the symbol of “serpent”to represent the archangel Lucifer ?
We can see the consistent use of the symbol as a methaphor for wisdom. Jesus said be “wise as serpents” but gentle as doves

Ezekiel 29:8-17 reports about the “covering cherub” in Eden. “Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to earth.”
So it is Lucifer who was placed in the Garden, a most revered angel of wisdom and light, to protect, to “cover” the son and daughter of God during their growing period.
How utterly convoluted is his actual demeanor. Something has so affected him that now, rather than protecting and serving, he becomes”serpent” bent on corrupting the daughter of God; enticing her with the very fruit God had instructed them not to eat

I will respond to the next question on another post
 
citizenzen said:
Well, if it's actually in the Bible, then I can't call if pseudo-scripture.Scrip⋅ture–noun1. Often, Scriptures. Also called Holy Scripture, Holy Scriptures. the sacred writings of the Old or New Testaments or both together.2. (often lowercase) any writing or book, esp. when of a sacred or religious nature.3. (sometimes lowercase) a particular passage from the Bible; text.
When it's pulled out of your behind, then it becomes pseudo-scripture.
And I do look forward to offering you my interpretation of the Fall. It will however, have to wait until I've finished my dinner.
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Citizen, beside being rude, you comment is ultra conservative . It implies that God has been dead since 2000 years and has not spoken since ?
 
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