Etymology of the name Jesus

The Primary Source for Messianic Prophecies is The Book of "Isaiah" which believed to depict the coming of a Future Messiah, in matter in fact, it does not, the Roman Piso Twisted Isaiah, to make it So, thus for them to create the Illusion of Jesus(Divus Iulius), and thus for the Jews to accept him in there Religion

There is indeed a Messiah in Isaiah, but, it only referred to an Individual , the "Persian" King Cyrus


"This says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1-13)

God had foreordained this man to be his anointed servant (Isa.45:1)

In verses 1-3, we see that Cyrus is called the Lord's anointed (Heb. mashiyach [maw-shee'-akh])


Text of the Charter of Human Rights of Cyrus

Now that with the grace of Mazda I am crowned for the kingdom of Iran ,
Babylonia and the four cardinal countries , I declare that :

As long as I am alive and favoured by Mazda for the kingdom of Iran , Babylonia and the four cardinal countries

Notice the usage of "FOUR Cardinal Countries, and mirrors this of Isaiah

Isaiah 12:14
And he(CYRUS) shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

There is no Ancient Word for the name of our Planet, Earth means Land, thus theoretically means "Countries"

The usage is also shown here
"I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, mighty king, king of Babylon, king of the land of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four quarters, son of Cambyses, great king, king of Anshan, grandson of Cyrus, great king, king of Anshan, descendant of Teispes, great king, king of Anshan, progeny of an unending royal line, whose rule Bel and Nabu cherish, whose kingship they desire for their hearts' pleasures.'

Cyrus is "King of the Four Quarters" which parallels with "Isaiah" "4 Corners" and Daniels "4 Beasts", which the stupid Revelation Author(Josephus) plagiarized, Revelation depicts the Fall of Babylon which already Occurred in Isaiah by CYRUS, Its not a Prophecy at all, its pure Plagiarism

Isaiah is most likely derived from the Military Campaign of Cyrus (nothing to do with Future Events), thus not Prophetic Literature, but instead Poetic Literature of Cyrus, this is also similer to how the Gospels depict the Military Campaign of Julius Caesar(Book of John) and Titus Flavius(Book of Matthew)

"Cyrus" was a King, and a LORD, for example here is ISAIAH Chapter 11

2 And the spirit of the LORD(CYRUS) shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD(CYRUS)

Cyrus Interchanges with the biblical term "LORD GOD"

Cyrus was a Zoroastrian, thus this verse here

"This says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1-13)

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"This says the AHURA to his Anointed, to Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1-13)

The term "Messiah" is a odd term, and i believe it to be a Misinterpretation of the Persian term "Mazda"

Mazda > Meshdah > Messiah, it is not "Cyrus Messiah" it is in fact "Cyrus Mazda"
(I have seen "D" become an "I" for example ZEUS is interchangeable with DEUS and "IEUS"(iove) or YHWH(Dhwh).

This says the AHURA to his MAZDA, to Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1-13), or maybe
This says the AHURA MAZDA, to Cyrus (Isaiah 45:1-13)

Ahura Mazda is most likely the Deified form of Cyrus(Koresh), and Cyrus means "Sun-Like" thus also possible sprang into "Krishna"
 
Both of these last posts fail to pass a heading check. First of all, I once did a presentation pointing out how the now-in-theaters Bacon-wrote-Shakespeare idea was bogus by donig a similar alphabetic manipulation with Winston Churchhill's name (all four) being hidden in the names of GB Shaw's plays.

Jesus being in Julius Caesar's name is similar flim-flamery (at least mine was).

Second of all "Entymology of Jesus" has little to do with Mazda or Meshdah. If we are looking at the Entymology of "Christ", try a few Greek sources, since that is the language containing that word.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt.
 
radarmark said:
Both of these last posts fail to pass a heading check. First of all, I once did a presentation pointing out how the now-in-theaters Bacon-wrote-Shakespeare idea was bogus by donig a similar alphabetic manipulation with Winston Churchhill's name (all four) being hidden in the names of GB Shaw's plays.

Jesus being in Julius Caesar's name is similar flim-flamery (at least mine was).

Second of all "Entymology of Jesus" has little to do with Mazda or Meshdah. If we are looking at the Entymology of "Christ", try a few Greek sources, since that is the language containing that word.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt.
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The Greek Source being Chrisma means "OIL", the Greek for Wax is "Keru" which is made of OIL, which seems to correlate with Caesar's Funeral, more then anything, in fact, the Romans Created Figures out of Wax(Oil), the most Famous of which being that of Caesar's


By making Caesar into a Wax Effigy, which poetically turned him into a CHRIST,
which means "OIL MAN or WAX MAN" or "Covered with Oil" obviously this is not to referring to a Living Human

You must Remember that Jesus is a ROMAN deity, not a Egyptian/Greek or even Jewish, its ROMAN, the Greek Language was considered Sacred, and also widely used by the Jews, whom was the Target Audience for the Gospels.

Here is a passage around C.95 from Appian the Alexandra
When the crowd were in this state, and near to violence, someone raised above the bier a wax effigy of Caesar - the body itself, lying on its back on the bier, not being visible. The effigy was turned in every direction, by a mechanical device, and twenty-three wounds could be seen, savagely inflicted on every part of the body and on the face. This sight seemed so pitiful to the people that they could bear it no longer. Howling and lamenting, they surrounded the senate-house, where Caesar had been killed [5], and burnt it down, and hurried about hunting for the murderers, who had slipped away some time previously.

Wax _ Effigy (Most likely placed upon a Cruciform Trophy) (As Shown on Hundreds of Coins, including the Bacchus Amulet, even on coins found in Jerusalem)

The term "Effigy" is related to the terms " "suffixit/Affixed" meaning "Fixed upon Something".

Whilst Caesar's Effigy was Shown upon the Cross, they Cremated his Real Body upon a Bier, Cremate from latin "Cremo", which is similar to "kremô" meaning to "To Hang",

Instead of Jesus being Cremated(Cremo), he was Hung(Kremo) upon a Cross(As a Wax Figure), this is how Jose-Piso tricks people when he wrote the Gospels

Keru-Suffixit = Crucifix = Wax Figure = Christ = Julius Caesar



After the Funeral, A Comet appeared, and He was Deified as Divus Iulius, and many temples where built for his Honor, INCLUDING Herods Temple (Which is now, the Dome of Rock), the Evidence is shown on Coins Depicting the Temple, (4 Pillers and a Star upon the Top), the Star of which being Comet of Caesar, also known as "Sidus Iulium" or "Sidus Divus", which is confused with the "Star of David", I have seen many Archeological Items from Jerusalem, and many of them (including the Tomb of (not V)Mary) features Sidus Iulium Symbol, even the "Tomb of (not)Jesus" is built like a Clementine Caesar Temple.


Originally Posted by bob x
What makes you think there were Zoroastrians in Syria during the Parthian era? Some Mithraists, I'm sure, but Roman Mithraism was not particularly faithful to any Persian tradition
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Julius Caesar reformed the Calender, by Switching the Lunar to then Solar Calender, essentially in doing so, he in fact created (not directly) "SOL INVICTUS" and "MITHRAS" whom born on "December 25th", a Date, Created, by Julius Caesar, In Fact they are theories that the term "Yule" is derived from the name of Julius Caesar , which occurs around Dec25

Julius Caesar was Deified as "Divos Iulius", which mutated into "Sol Invictus", and with the Persian Mitre, Mithras.


Jesus told them to break bread, remembering how his body was broken, and to drink wine, remembering how his blood was spilled; they were never to forget that he had been put to death gruesomely, and had accepted this voluntarily. This is the very core of Christianity
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Caesar was Killed on March 15th, the Day before the Bacchus Wine Festival, which ends on the 17th, which was the Day of Caesar's Funeral, this is why "Bacchus" is Crucified on the Amulet that was Found.

Only a handful of those concepts ("angels" and "demons" and "hell") are Zoroastrian, and Christianity only has them as they were filtered through the Jews.
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Not Exactly, Christianity sprang from the Roman Empire, why completely Ignore Roman Culture, and assume Zoroastrian or Aryan

Angels (yet again) correlates to Funeral of Caesar, there is a Coin depicting his Funeral Bier,they are Winged Beings symbolizing his Ascension towards heaven, the Angelic Forms are Eros/Cupids/Sons of Venus, found everywhere in the Roman Empire

Hell means Burial, to put someone in the Grave(Hell), the Idea of "Heaven" is in fact a reference to Cremation, where the Body is lifted towards Heaven in a Flame (Fire Chariot) (was Muhammad Cremated?)
 
Divos, etymology is not a matter of coincidences or opinion. How in the heck is the fact that Ceasar was modeled in wax relate at all to the Greek word "Χριστός"? Do you see any relationship besides some non-sensical metaphor?

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 
radarmark said:
Divos, etymology is not a matter of coincidences or opinion. How in the heck is the fact that Ceasar was modeled in wax relate at all to the Greek word "Χριστός"? Do you see any relationship besides some non-sensical metaphor?

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
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Is not "Wax" a product of "Oil", which in Greek is "Chrism" which is the Root word for "Christ", bare in mind, Jose-Piso twists many words in the Gospels.

The fact the Caesar was modeled in Wax, Related to his Passion, Caesar Betrayed by his fellow Disciple Brutus whom with a bunch of other including Longinus, Stabbed Caesar 23 Times.

At His Funeral at the Capitol, they created a WAX FIGURE of Caesar, and placed it upon a Cruciform for all to See him, for he was there Savior and Clementine.

In Fact, Jesus was Crucified at a place called "Golgotha" and Caesar was Crucified at "Capitol"

Golgotha is derived from Aramaic "Gulgulta which means "Place of Skulls"
Capitol, form "Caput" means "Head" or "Skull" (Place of Skull)

The Romans derived Capitolium from caput. The tale is that an Etruscan king, Olus (i. e. Aulus Vulcentanus) was killed and buried there, and that the Capitoline temple and hill received its name after his skull was later found: ‘the head of Olus’—caput Oli—Capitolium
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Coincidences
 
Coincidences is all they are, not etymology. They have no bearing to the words "Jesus Christ" (unless one shares some consipiracy theory I cannot see in everything you say).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt
 
radarmark said:
Coincidences is all they are, not etymology. They have no bearing to the words "Jesus Christ" (unless one shares some consipiracy theory I cannot see in everything you say).

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Jesus means "Yahweh Saves" or "Yahweh the Savior" in Hebrew

There was a Temple called "Jupiter Conservator Orbis" which means "Jupiter, Savior of the World".

The name "Jupiter" is two words "Iove and Piter", the name "IOVE" perfectly renders in Hebrew as "Yahweh", the same reason that "John" is rendered Yahu'nan.


Jupiter is "Iove the Father" as the Legand States he is the Divine Ancestor of the
Julian Family

1 John 4:14-15
14 And we have seen and testify that the FATHER(IOVE) has sent his Son(JULIUS) to be the Savior(CONSERVATOR) of the world(ORBIS)

John 4:42
2 They said to the woman(Venus Genetrix), "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior(CONSERVATOR) of the world(ORBIS)"

On coins Jupiter is usually depicted standing naked with only a chlamys hanging over his shoulder he's often holding out a victoriola and holds a long scepter. His symbols include the eagle and thunderbolt. The most common used Jupiter inscription is IOVI CONSERVATORI (AVG or CAES) meaning Jupiter the protector of our Augustus or Caesar.

Another Coincidence
 
radarmark said:
(unless one shares some consipiracy theory I cannot see in everything you say)
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He has been advertising his book for years (I see the ads in Nation magazine). His hobby-horse is that some Roman named "Piso" wrote the Antiquities and Jewish War of Josephus, and all four canonical gospels, and the Gospel of Thomas as well. His "reasoning" for this claim consists of the kind of pseudo-linguistics (mojobadshah on steroids) that you see here; he takes it for granted that everybody knows what he is talking about, and finds his arguments as impressive as he does.
 
Dream said:
Here are a few reasons:
1. Jesus is probably named after Joshua because in Christianity Jesus is supposed to be the prophet that comes to follow up after Moses. (I realize that in Islam it is not Jesus but Muhammad[P]). The original Joshua character partially carried out Moses duties. Jesus is figured as doing the same thing only more-so, so the name fits because of that. There is an account in which Jesus meets with Moses and Elijah on a mountain, meaning that both original Joshua and Jesus were working based on work that Moses had begun.

2. The account in Matthew 1 of why Mary's baby is named Jesus is that he would save his people. That is where the Oshea (or the Esu) comes from. Hebrew Oshea means 'Preserve' and is the same thing as 'Save', but in addition the account also says Jesus is Emmanuel which it says means 'God with us'. That is why he is not called just Oshea but J'Oshea. Its probably where the J for 'Jehova' comes from in his name. J for Jehovah and Oshea for Preserve -- the contraction makes J'Oshea, which through long lingual processes has become recognized as Jesus in the English we are using right now. Moses personally changed the original Oshea's name to J'oshua, so it is significant that Matthew 1 cites passages to explain both parts of Jesus name -- the same parts as the original Joshua of the Canaan conquest.

3. Fulfillment. Jesus is supposed to fulfill the promise to bring Israel into realization of the promises to Abraham, an important aspect of Christianity. It is argued in Hebrews 4, for instance, that the original Joshua did not really 'Give rest' to the people of God but that Jesus will in the future and in a sense has already, sort of, uh.(its a theological debate) The main thing is that Original Joshua is a central figure against whom Jesus is compared.

Jesus is in type like Joshua, in naming like Joshua, and he is in purpose supposed to be a larger version of Joshua. Jesus is compared to Joshua in multiple ways, so that there is really no reason to look for another origin for Jesus name.

Respectfully yours,
Dream
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The prophet like unto Moses, whom God promised to raise from among the Israelites was Joshua, and he was no partial fulfilment of Moses' role but even exceeded Moses in the role of a Messianic Leader. Why? Because Moses was only a prophet and Messianic leader. Joshua performed those activities and more the one of a warrior. So much so as to become the first among the greatest Generals of ancient and modern History. Next to him, only Alexander the Great, Hanibal, Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonapart, and Robert Lee.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
The prophet like unto Moses, whom God promised to raise from among the Israelites was Joshua, and he was no partial fulfilment of Moses' role but even exceeded Moses in the role of a Messianic Leader. Why? Because Moses was only a prophet and Messianic leader. Joshua performed those activities and more the one of a warrior. So much so as to become the first among the greatest Generals of ancient and modern History. Next to him, only Alexander the Great, Hanibal, Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonapart, and Robert Lee.
Ben
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the name jesus really refers to 888 which is the number of the ascended body that is one with the soul and spirit.
 
Ben Masada said:
The prophet like unto Moses, whom God promised to raise from among the Israelites was Joshua, and he was no partial fulfilment of Moses' role but even exceeded Moses in the role of a Messianic Leader. Why? Because Moses was only a prophet and Messianic leader. Joshua performed those activities and more the one of a warrior. So much so as to become the first among the greatest Generals of ancient and modern History. Next to him, only Alexander the Great, Hanibal, Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonapart, and Robert Lee.
Ben
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Thanks for the information which reminds me he was 'Exalted' in the eyes of Israel according to Joshua 3:7, a verse which in English says of him "As I was with Moses so I will be with you." So there we go, a passage about Joshua taking over for Moses. Joshua even did the same miracle as Moses of making a water passage, the Jordan, open up to walk through. The man was legendary in scope. Also Joshua 4:14 says "they stood in awe of him, as they had stood in awe of Moses, all the days of his life." Its also clear that he gave orders to priests.
 
Dream said:
Thanks for the information which reminds me he was 'Exalted' in the eyes of Israel according to Joshua 3:7, a verse which in English says of him "As I was with Moses so I will be with you." So there we go, a passage about Joshua taking over for Moses. Joshua even did the same miracle as Moses of making a water passage, the Jordan, open up to walk through. The man was legendary in scope. Also Joshua 4:14 says "they stood in awe of him, as they had stood in awe of Moses, all the days of his life." Its also clear that he gave orders to priests.
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Moses was a variation of the Avestan Mazda [Ahura] which developed into the Assyrian [Assara] Mazas. Moses is said to have spoken to Yahweh as a burning bush and fire and the luminaries are symbolic of Ahura Mazda in Zoroastrianism. And Joshua was a worshipper or Mazdayasna "Mazda worshipper" < Mazda "Wisdom" + yasna "worship." Genesis was written sometime around the 810-781 BC when the Assyrians attest to the Mada "Medes" and the Gimiri "Cimmerians" both Aryan (Irano-Afghan) tribes mentioned in Genesis.
 
mojobadshah said:
Moses was a variation of the Avestan Mazda [Ahura] which developed into the Assyrian [Assara] Mazas. Moses is said to have spoken to Yahweh as a burning bush and fire and the luminaries are symbolic of Ahura Mazda in Zoroastrianism. And Joshua was a worshipper or Mazdayasna "Mazda worshipper" < Mazda "Wisdom" + yasna "worship." Genesis was written sometime around the 810-781 BC when the Assyrians attest to the Mada "Medes" and the Gimiri "Cimmerians" both Aryan (Irano-Afghan) tribes mentioned in Genesis.
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Moses was a heavenly being who incarnated into the human body . Hes alive and well and in immortal condition.
 
donnann said:
Moses was a heavenly being who incarnated into the human body . Hes alive and well and in immortal condition.
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Sorry for the double posts. This is why they can never find the bodies of these ones of this line.
 
donnann said:
Its good though. I believe it increases intelligence. Most have the intellect but cannot go to college.
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Also colleges and high schools are in need of some competition. They aren't what they ought to be. Even so, there is no comparison with a college education, and the triumphant graduation ceremony celebrates the power and responsibility placed upon the graduate. In the ancient times only the privileged scholars and nobility learned even to read, but a college teaches anyone regardless of any imagined rank. Anyone can become part of the higher classes, thus college is a fantastic institution. The professors make it their goal to seek the betterment of the students.
 
Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Im well aware of the sanskrit name for God "Isha" [Controller . . etc]...
Do you want my sanskrit references for "Isha"
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Originally Posted by bob x [Post 136]
Yes, please. I'd be interested to see the contexts in which it occurs.
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Here are excerpted verbatim from my volume of the Bhagavata-purana references [for brevity I’ve omitted chapter/verse reference numbers, but the excerpt is in tact so google-able]:

Isa (pronounced, ee-sha --- Spelt éça )

The word jagad-isa refers to the proprietor of all the universes.
Isa —O supreme controller

Everyone in this world is more or less guilty of the syndrome called Isa-mana, or proudly considering oneself the Lord.

Isa —O ultimate God

yoga-Isa —O master of all mystic power

Isa-tattva — the Supreme Lord, the supreme living force

Isa means Lord

Isa —O Lord

The Supreme Lord, being the supreme possessor of spiritual senses, is the master of the senses, Hrsikesa (Hrsika + Isa). ‘Hrsika’ means the senses, and ‘Isa’ means the master.

My little Sanskrit dictionary lists:
Eesh (eesh) – To rule, to goven.
 
Dream said:
Also colleges and high schools are in need of some competition. They aren't what they ought to be. Even so, there is no comparison with a college education, and the triumphant graduation ceremony celebrates the power and responsibility placed upon the graduate. In the ancient times only the privileged scholars and nobility learned even to read, but a college teaches anyone regardless of any imagined rank. Anyone can become part of the higher classes, thus college is a fantastic institution. The professors make it their goal to seek the betterment of the students.
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I think college is great. However the internet is a great resource for self study.
 
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