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Edward Palamar
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Lucius Caecilius Firmianus Lactantius tells you no differently in the eloquent writing giving to him through the Holy Spirit in the 4th century.
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Excuse me? You seem to have an unknown definition of agnostic. Please provide a link to the dictionary you are using, an agnostic is one that says they don't know. They do not deny G!d, that would be the atheist. An agnostic simply says they don't know. Secondly why does it trouble you so? If you know better it shouldn't be an issue.
again, some example would be handy.
And yet again...I would think John would have learned something by now....seems 2,000 years hasn't done much, you haven't taken any opportunity to learn anything from Jesus or others in heaven in all this time?
It isn't indecision, they've simply decided they don't know.
The most interesting thing here is that you have quite the unique position, you could easily help the atheist and the agnostic, and the Christian for that matter. You claim to be John, but have done nothing but prove if this is true than John was an ass. You claim to have lived in a physical place called heaven....with a little patience and answering some questions you could enlighten us all.
Instead you debate with such weak arguements that you don't even appear to have faith in your beliefs.
It is really beyond words...
Nick the Pilot
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Wil,
The issue here is not religion any more. Edward is just using religion as an excuse to spread his hate and negativity. Don't get sucked into his manipulation of using you to spread more hate and negativity, and using religion as his excuse.
Sometimes the best thing for us to do is just walk away and say nothing.
The issue here is not religion any more. Edward is just using religion as an excuse to spread his hate and negativity. Don't get sucked into his manipulation of using you to spread more hate and negativity, and using religion as his excuse.
Sometimes the best thing for us to do is just walk away and say nothing.
Seriously??
You got nothing?
Nothing?
Come on, again, if you believe you are what you claim, you've got a great opportunity, to date this incarnation is making out John the Baptist to be a bag of wind.
Fancy that...it was my idea, and IG obliged.
I thought it would be good to give you chance to explain yourself.
It appears we just gave you enough rope....
I can't imagine how it must feel, that not one here has expressed any interest in gettin in the river with you.
Excepting Edward I have amicable or at least productive discussions with about 90% of folks on this forum....and have for years.
With the current tenor of your posts it'll take another 2,000 years of failed incarnations prior to your being able to say the same.
But yet again we can move beyond that....answer the questions above or how about the one below to start..
How did Jesus forget to be clear on Reincarnation, was turning water into wine really more important??
With the current tenor of your posts it'll take another 2,000 years of failed incarnations prior to your being able to say the same.
But yet again we can move beyond that....answer the questions above or how about the one below to start..
How did Jesus forget to be clear on Reincarnation, was turning water into wine really more important??
Nick the Pilot
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Edward, I'll not make any assumptions just because your posts would comply with about 70% of the description on the site.
Now you could fix this by deciding to actually take part in discussion answer our questions or insuring your posts no longer indicate agreement with the link...
twould be your choice....
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Edward Palamar
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And if they tell you to swallow your head, you'll be the first to do that, right? That is a rhetorical question. But for you to rant about my lack of sanity, try this. They begin with the indecision factor only to launch a further attack : the reason being, if there are those who believe and I choose to "toe the line", then I can continue in non-belief, even spread my non-belief to no end. And this is what agnosticism does, yet it is based on Theism, as is atheism. Neither agnosticism nor atheism can exist without Theism. This is a logical progression - not a whim of fancy, nor of insanity. The entire existence of agnosticism and atheism can then clearly be seen only to challenge (attack) Theism.
In the first statement it appeared you believe moral responsibility is owned by the person giving orders in a chain of command, as if people were merely a machine. I think even the people who watch and do nothing carry responsibility. In your statement that the Bible reports God has killed people, it appeared to me that you presume the dead, or God, see death the same way that you do.
Did you understand what I was saying? I was trying to point out that with your viewpoint of death to the body, that the overwhelming majority in history have thus far died. If per the bible you accuse God of killing a few, then why not all?
IowaGuy
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This thread is actually a good example of the benefits of being agnostic (skeptical).
If we believed every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Edward that came along claiming to have a message from "God", knowing when the rapture is coming, claiming to be able to predict the future, etc; we would be very lost and confused. Better to be skeptical in life unless presented with convincing evidence or personal experience.
I met many of Edward's kind while living in Los Angeles, they are on nearly every street corner. Extraordinary claims but no extraordinary evidence to back it up.
If we believed every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Edward that came along claiming to have a message from "God", knowing when the rapture is coming, claiming to be able to predict the future, etc; we would be very lost and confused. Better to be skeptical in life unless presented with convincing evidence or personal experience.
I met many of Edward's kind while living in Los Angeles, they are on nearly every street corner. Extraordinary claims but no extraordinary evidence to back it up.
Nick the Pilot
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Some people find solace, love, and peace in religion, a purpose for living, a means for practicing compassion, etc., in religion.
Other people are, simply put, very angry and spiteful people. They use religion as a way to lash out at others, and as a way to release some of the anger and frustration they have stored up within them for decades.
Edward seems to be in the second group.
It's important to not confuse the two groups of people, which is exactly what IG is saying.
IG, I would not say that people in the second group are a good justification for taking an agnostic view of religion, although it is something to think about.
Other people are, simply put, very angry and spiteful people. They use religion as a way to lash out at others, and as a way to release some of the anger and frustration they have stored up within them for decades.
Edward seems to be in the second group.
It's important to not confuse the two groups of people, which is exactly what IG is saying.
IG, I would not say that people in the second group are a good justification for taking an agnostic view of religion, although it is something to think about.
Nick the Pilot
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"...Tom, Dick, Harry, and Edward..."
hahaha
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Edward Palamar
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There are no benefits for being agnostic, even if you try to pass off agnosticism as mere skepticism. One can be skeptical without having a hell-bent attitude.
Be scientific as compelled by Christ : "Try Me in this."
The facts are in, however, at this thread - agnosticism is heresy.