agnosticism

Lunitik said:
To "raise up" simply means to ascend.
These verses say also that Jesus will descend.
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The only One Who can ascend is the One Who descended - Christ Jesus, Who has descended and ascended, from whence He is coming, judging the heavens and the earth.
 
Edward Palamar said:
Christ multiplied the fishes and loaves through faith. This offers hope, that we may love while not giving into despair.
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I believe the parable is an indication of the faith he provided in abundance. All were thinking lack, there isn't enough, therefor I will not share what I have for my family. Once the baskets moved around, and they saw the generosity and faith of others, they put more in the basket from their own stores than they took out.

I love the comment 'should we go to town and get food?' the indication of the amount of money Jesus had in his treasury that the desciples would ask...well should we feed the lot?

Edward Palamar said:
The point is that agnosticism is a form of murder - bottom line.
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What form? Exactly who or what is being murdered?

Edward Palamar said:
I'm not your son.
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No? I am the reincarnation of John the Baptist's mother, surely you recognize me. And if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times, quit playing in the puddles.

Oneness is a wonderful thing brother!
 
Edward Palamar said:
But you didn't answer the question - you deflected only to present reverence for Christ as the Life being second fiddle to your perception of how humanity handles population.
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Do you think Christ is handling the population issue?

As to your question of the definition of a Catholic, I personally could care less. I don't try to put people in little religious boxes and only allow them to get married in my church, or have a funeral in my church if they are X or Y denomination. I prefer to be open and accepting to all faiths and denominations.
 
Ya know it appears John the Baptist ain't very patient. I can't imagine how he would have developed a following 2,000 years ago with the attitude he has today. Nor how in the past 2,000 years he didn't develop any really enlightening words of wisdom towards peace on earth and unconditinal love of his fellow man/neighbor.

Seems John Lennon, Jim Rohn, and Swami Beyonanonda have got it more together during their incarnations than the wisdome we've seen here to date.
 
Edward Palamar said:
Not so in your pro-agnosticism campaign.
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I have said the only true path to know That is to admit you don't already know - which is agnosticism. Now, which this admittance, a true seeking can happen. There is a certain openness, willingness to approach whatsoever you can find on the matter. Without this acknowledgement before you begin the journey, your ego will come in and you vastly decrease the possibility that you will encounter That.

Now I have experienced That, I know that God is, I know what God is. All a book can provide is fuel for your imagination, you have showed your continued clinging to a particular book though. You have showed that it is not your experience, you are still relying on someone elses.
 
Lunitik said:
It is a state of being, not a place.
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That is what agnosticism tells you, the next step being to swallow your own head. It also makes agnosticism a pack of lies because Heaven is a real physical place.
 
Edward Palamar said:
That is what agnosticism tells you, the next step being to swallow your own head. It also makes agnosticism a pack of lies because Heaven is a real physical place.
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Alrighty roo...

You tell us you live there....and it is a physical place....

What does it look like?

Do you have skin?

Do you have air?

Are aliens (intelligent life from another planet) there as well?

Do plants grow?

Are they saved?

Do you eat?

How do you get around?

Internal combustion engines, like the jetsons, or think your way from spot to spot.

Is it in this universe?

What is your nearest star?
 
Edward Palamar said:
I am in heaven - it is physical.
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Edward - since you have been to heaven, you are in a unique position to clear up a few ongoing questions in Catholicism, in addition to Wil's questions:

1.) are there any babies in heaven that died before they were baptised?

2.) Catholics are said to have invented the concept of purgatory, which is not mentioned in the bible. Does purgatory exist and where is it located?

3.) Are there any Native American people in heaven, those born before Jesus' time? Are there any Jews in heaven?
 
"...a pack of lies..."

--> It is clear that you are not here to have open-minded discussions, you are just here to insult people who disagree with you.
 
Edward Palamar said:
That is what agnosticism tells you, the next step being to swallow your own head. It also makes agnosticism a pack of lies because Heaven is a real physical place.
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No, it is what my experience tells me... I have known oneness with God, that oneness is heaven.
 
Nick the Pilot said:
"...a pack of lies..."

--> It is clear that you are not here to have open-minded discussions, you are just here to insult people who disagree with you.
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That is just what agnosticism tells you - like the dope dealer - that your mind will be opened - just like the serpent devil.

"GROW A BRAIN, NICKY!"
 
I have some questions regarding John the Baptist (and Edward Palamar) that are not directly related to this (agnosticism) thread and have thus spun another thread here.
 
If agnosticism is the understanding that we are born without the evidence or understanding of who God is, let alone the world we live in, or the repulsion of a religion due to the character and words of its adherents, then I am still an agnostic to this day.

If agnosticism is the belief that we can not know or understand who God is, the world that we live in, and the spirit of those who present the character that we detest, then I believe I have never been, and hope that I have never been, an agnostic.

I find, with proof, that it is valuable to search, and to search with good character. Good? Yes, good in the eyes of God.
 
seattlegal said:
Looks like you are just looking to kick people around, Edward.
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Seattlegal,

Edward must be forgiven, for He knows not what he does or says.
Edward's psychological makeup is one of Right Hand Path and indoctrination. He cannot see any further than what he has been told to see, to feel, to Be.
I feel not contempt for such a non-individual as Edward, but rather compassion in that someday He may break free from the chains of ignorance and delusion, and embrace His True Being which is not the Being from a fabricated archetypal structure such as the Abrahamic god.
 
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