Kosmos is just a hellenic term for all that there is. Yes there is order but there is also an entirely unknowable disorder called quantum theory and chaos or complexity theory.
There is much truth to be found in the various Hellenistic lines of thought, but again it is restricted to mind. Greek thought is very interesting indeed, and I especially enjoy that they view all as a whole, they have not yet split the outer and the inner trains of thinking...
Our perceptions create a chaos or complexity, this reality is very simply in reality. All things much balance because they come from a singularity. This means that if we fight to take things in one direction, there must then be a response of reality to take it equally in another direction somewhere else. From this basic design, all of this has arisen. Starting first with unmanifest and manifest becoming a balance, as there is growth of That knowing itself, so the existence itself grows.
You can say that existence itself is also on a spiritual journey to find itself, we are the expressions of the investigation.
"I have encountered it already"... since your postings show no evidence of this allow me to doubt. We hav had this discussion before, my "space" or "beyond" is not copasetic with yours. I seek only experience and knowledge of the Divine. And have no pre-determined dogma or beliefs to model that beyond with. "The tao that can be spoken of is not the tao" works for me.
What exactly are you expecting as evidence? I have attempted to cause it to arise in you, this is the only way to prove it that I see, but you are unwilling to go into what I point at.
For me, knowledge of the divine is not good enough, but experiencing it is all I have pointed at since I signed up on this site. It is exactly for this reason that I do not tell any myths or whatever else, I simply talk about how to encounter what all the scriptures point to.
It is funny then that you seek the divine, yet when you are pointed at it you object.
You are quite mistaken. Number one I used no label. Number two, do you not find it a little difficult to keep a straight face and say "mind does not exist..only brain" and "the only thing that exists is consciousness, pure awareness"? See my post #248 at "Can...evolution" thread. Consciousness is (usually, at least among philosophers of the mind) defined as the relationship between mind and not-mind. So per the commonly accepted rules of English you statement is null and contradictory. Look up "David Chalmers" or "The Hard Problem of Consciousness".
I do not find it difficult at all, because I have encountered this truth. Mind is only a collection of thoughts, how can it exist without them? Where do these thoughts arise from, if not the brain? Yet, is a computer aware? This is all a brain really is, it is the computational center of the body. What then allows us to experience all that we encounter, to develop an identity, to form our own individuality?
Furthermore, quantum mechanics says matter is perception only, that our perception of solidarity in objects is merely one energy repelling another. If all is only energy, what is the nature of that energy? Another thing science has found is that all atoms are 99.999999% empty, what are the ramifications? If you are over 99% not there at all, what is it that you experience as yourself? Furthermore, what is the nature of that emptiness? Can you go into it? Its nature is pure love, but what knows this?
Some call it God, some call it divine, others call it many other things. What we can experience of it while in this place is that of the observer of all that arises and leaves, as if it is the ocean which all waves arise on and blend back into. Some call it the witness, but what are the qualities of God? One is that He is omniscient, it means he watches all things, not merely the relational things which we can be aware of - that we are looking at a computer screen, reading this word, sitting on this seat, etc. This can be raised a great deal for humans, you can be aware of all things for several hundred feet, including others feelings and thoughts etc... but this will have to be worked on. To manage this, simply be utterly aware of every single action, when you type, know exactly what key is pressed, what finger is doing it, the process of formulating the words being placed on the screen. When you eat, be aware of taking up the food from the plate, placing it in your mouth, chewing, and even the food going down into your stomach. When walking, be aware of every muscle involved in every step...
As you go into this more and more, you will see just how much happens without mind actually interfering. Gradually it will feel as though nothing happens because of you, not mind or body... you merely are watching them from a distance. What is the nature of that which is watching all of this? Enlightenment is the awareness of awareness itself - it is to turn the mirror back on itself and reflect its own nature...
Now to the point, I reject (do not hold that it is either reasonable to beleive or that it is factual) the notion that consciousness exists without mind. One needs a container for water, the mind is the container of consciousness (be it my puny consciousness or the consciousness that is all-inclusive). Consciousness can be individual (as can be experience). It can also be goup (as can be experience). If there is "one entity" (not something I claim) that one entity is the Kosmos (everything that is physcial and mental, the universe, and everything that is beyond).
You can watch mind, can you not? Can the eye see itself without a mirror? How then can consciousness be from mind, it is observing mind.
I think you have said you consider yourself a skeptic? This is the Buddhist method, whatsoever you can watch cannot be you, just as eye cannot watch itself. Go into this deeply as well, what can you be aware of? All of it is something arising and falling in you, feelings, thoughts, actions... all of it.
Eventually, there will be pure consciousness, but again you are aware that you are. From where is this assertion arising? If you go deeply into this, you will encounter non-duality, consciousness aware of consciousness, awareness aware of itself. This is the purpose of our existence, will you fulfill it or stay as a mediocre mind?
By your linear logic, if it is consciousness it must have a physical brain, where is it? Again, by your linear logic (an the definition of consciousness usually used in rational discourse in English) if there is consciousness there must be something to be conscious of and therefore the consciousness is either of everything except itself or of itself and all the above is meaningless. I do not care to believe that G!d or the Kosmos is so sinister that H! or Sh! would trick us in such a manner (this is similar to my problem with "G!d made the fossils to trick us" rap of various anti-evolutionists).
No, this is your logic, my logic is more similar to Quantum Consciousness combined with the Unity Field - although it is not from logic at all, it is from direct experience. You assume that what I say is from mind because what you say comes from mind, this is why you cannot accept what I say. Read my words from your heart and you will perhaps feel their truth.
God has not tricked us at all, he has tricked himself, because only he is. He has become completely identified with a particular experience of himself, he has forgotten this was merely a particular inquiry into himself. You are the result of that confusion - can you remember it again?
As far as my experience goes... reality is real. Reality is made up of the universe and that beyond the universe. The universe consists of the physical, the mental and the spiritual (which can be considered a apecial case of the mental) as made manifest in actual occasions or experiences. I believe the beyond is the mind of G!d (perhaps G!d H!rself) which contains the consciousness of all and, since it is consistent (a tautology of sorts), it is reasonable to believe this. But I do not know (it is unknowable in that I cannot prove it to be true), hence my claim to be agnostic. I do not claim this is the tao, it is rather my humble attenpt to model it in English.
This does not say much, during a dream, you will behave as if it is perfectly real - even when you wake up from some dreams, you will think it is continuing until you can snap out of it and realize it was not so. It is not very different at all.
What you have said here, however, is close to truth. All I say is that you can experience the absolute truth of this theory you have discussed.
