There is no G!d...

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‎"Heart" is merely another name for the Supreme Spirit, because He is in all hearts. The entire Universe is condensed in the body, and the entire body in the Heart. Thus the Heart is the nucleus of the whole Universe. ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi

There is no G!d with what we are here to plead or worship, but a G!d within, that is the ocean of consciousness, that we live an breathe and have our being. Seeking is an activity of becoming aware of the realization the I am in G!d and G!d is in I am (my being) there is no me, and there is no G!d, there is only G!d...and G!d is all there is.

What we are looking for is what we are looking with...
 
taijasi said:
Yep ... a wonderful point of connection between East and West, Earth and other planets, Cosmos manifest and `the Eternal Tao.' :)
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It is the very reason for our self-awareness, that I, that pure self, it is the true reality.
 
wil said:
notes from the day....

‎"Heart" is merely another name for the Supreme Spirit, because He is in all hearts. The entire Universe is condensed in the body, and the entire body in the Heart. Thus the Heart is the nucleus of the whole Universe. ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi

There is no G!d with what we are here to plead or worship, but a G!d within, that is the ocean of consciousness, that we live an breathe and have our being. Seeking is an activity of becoming aware of the realization the I am in G!d and G!d is in I am (my being) there is no me, and there is no G!d, there is only G!d...and G!d is all there is.

What we are looking for is what we are looking with...
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I can sort of appreciate this line of thinking. I'm inclined to think of Carl Jung's archetype theory, although I'm not so sure this theory extends to abstract ideas. I equate the heart with the mind and soul, spirit or psyche. I would agree that we are in God or Supreme Spirit in the sense of a collective subconscience the forefathers conveyed to us through the conscience, the material, which in turn shapes our own subconscience, spirit. It gives the words "the Father and I are one" a new meaning.
 
wil said:
‎"Heart" is merely another name for the Supreme Spirit, because He is in all hearts. .. What we are looking for is what we are looking with ..
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In that case why have you used the word G!d so many times in your post and AdvaitaZen talks about divine? Get out of this bondage. :)
 
God is a useless concept. No one knows what God is. I think we need to stop searching for the divine "other" and try to self-actuate from the ground up. I'm finding this difficult I must admit, but searching for something outside of me that will come and change me doesn't work. There must be joy in self-understanding. I don't seem to be able to get to the roots of my cynicism by examining things outside of myself. I need to figure out what I want. That's harder than it sounds because I'm driven by social and cultural programming that I never signed on to, but it controls me regardless of my efforts at self reflection. Transferring that to an invisible friend isn't going to help, and I'm beginning to feel that I'm running out of time to make sense of it all.

Whatever God may be, It doesn't help me.

Chris
 
I feel for ya Chris...and appreciate your journey. I spent my days in the wilderness thinking G!d was something out there up there as we were taught....I now come to understand the understanding (for me) is found within... there is power within each of us far greater than anything outside of us...that one challenged me until I grokked oneness....in him we live and breathe and have our being...

Peace my brother and big hugz....may you find solace on your path.
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
God is a useless concept. No one knows what God is. I think we need to stop searching for the divine "other" and try to self-actuate from the ground up. I'm finding this difficult I must admit, but searching for something outside of me that will come and change me doesn't work. There must be joy in self-understanding. I don't seem to be able to get to the roots of my cynicism by examining things outside of myself. I need to figure out what I want. That's harder than it sounds because I'm driven by social and cultural programming that I never signed on to, but it controls me regardless of my efforts at self reflection. Transferring that to an invisible friend isn't going to help, and I'm beginning to feel that I'm running out of time to make sense of it all.

Whatever God may be, It doesn't help me.

Chris
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Hi Chris, an old-timer who doesn't post much. I know I've seen some of your posts around through.

Looking at the sections I highlighted, I'm not certain I see the connection. First though: even though I don't know what God is I know that a lot of people claim to know, to have felt enough to make that judgement. And, personally, they might actually know.

But what I was going to ask was the connection between your outlook on life and God. Aren't they totally different aspects, possibly mutually exclusive? Can't you wonder about divinity and examine the world around you while you figure out what you want?

I do hope you figure out what you want, and I hope that helps you.
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
God is a useless concept. No one knows what God is. I think we need to stop searching for the divine "other" and try to self-actuate from the ground up. I'm finding this difficult I must admit, but searching for something outside of me that will come and change me doesn't work. There must be joy in self-understanding. I don't seem to be able to get to the roots of my cynicism by examining things outside of myself. I need to figure out what I want. That's harder than it sounds because I'm driven by social and cultural programming that I never signed on to, but it controls me regardless of my efforts at self reflection. Transferring that to an invisible friend isn't going to help, and I'm beginning to feel that I'm running out of time to make sense of it all.

Whatever God may be, It doesn't help me.

Chris
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Lol! Great points. :) There is a school of thought that if we are to see God, we must be like God. That doesn't mean sat about on little fluffy clouds, but instead to consider our place, our impact - our works - in the world.
 
I said:
Lol! Great points. :) There is a school of thought that if we are to see God, we must be like God. That doesn't mean sat about on little fluffy clouds, but instead to consider our place, our impact - our works - in the world.
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Most schools which bring us to direct realization speak of getting beyond the mind, teaching nondual meditation to that end. Ultimately we find all that is attributed to God applies to us, but if what you say is true, it is only in realizing nothing you list is us.
 
Beyond mind is madness. (Don't take it seriously, what I mean is that beyond mind has no meaning for humans)
 
Aupmanyav said:
Beyond mind is madness. (Don't take it seriously, what I mean is that beyond mind has no meaning for humans)
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It is a sort of madness, but only the mind goes mad, simply watch it - you will know you aren't it. For me, what is found is true humanity, the very root of sentience, what many call God.

Every Zen koan, every nondual contemplation, every inquiry into the nature of 'I' is only to stop the mind, to confuse it until it gives in. Automatically, when the mind falls, all veils to Reality are dropped, truth remains alone.

To not take these devices seriously is to stay as ego, is to maintain only an intellectual understanding at best - essentially you only waste your time, there are far more useful topics to acquire information about.

This is the same as silencing the mind, coming to no-mind, you have to permit the dissolution of mind - this is dhyana.

When even dhyana falls, there is samadhi.
 
How can dhyana - the experience of oneness - fall?

In seeing you are the experiencer, and thus duality remains. Ultimately, in nonduality, there is nothing to say because there is nothing to describe. To know anything, there must be duality, consciousness and awareness ultimately fall and we are left with void, emptiness. No deeper can we go because there is nothing to go deeper. No solace is found, we simply see that what we fear most - death - is ultimately what life is. In embracing this, we are free, there is nothing more to avoid, nothing to fight, we can simply be.

Yet, it is still not mahasamadhi, because we have died in life we can cherish the fruits until the body falls.
 
China Cat Sunflower said:
God is a useless concept. No one knows what God is. I think we need to stop searching for the divine "other" and try to self-actuate from the ground up. I'm finding this difficult I must admit, but searching for something outside of me that will come and change me doesn't work. There must be joy in self-understanding. I don't seem to be able to get to the roots of my cynicism by examining things outside of myself. I need to figure out what I want. That's harder than it sounds because I'm driven by social and cultural programming that I never signed on to, but it controls me regardless of my efforts at self reflection. Transferring that to an invisible friend isn't going to help, and I'm beginning to feel that I'm running out of time to make sense of it all.

Whatever God may be, It doesn't help me.

Chris
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God isn't a totally useless concept. The concept God is a free good, but technically it has the potential to be converted into a scarce good. Kind of like mp3s. Moreover if you want to write a song about God, or a book about God, or a movie about God there is also money in it. Politicians use God. Priests, and mullahs, and rabbis all use God to make a living :)
 
wil said:
G!d, the one, Allah, the divine....in reading my post surely you understand they are all placeholders for the same idea...
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Wil :rolleyes:

You have to use the correct terminology or you will be lynched by the non duality fundamentalists :rolleyes:
 
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