Boston Bombers Muslim??

[AdvaitaZen]

Do not let the mind answer, or rather, see this answer as something else appearing.

Do not try to recall scripture, just see the mind is trying to escape the enquiry.

Seeing the nature of the "I" is awakening, enlightenment, whatever you want to call it.

It is home.

You never left.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

The real problem is our imaginations about what religions mean, what particular philosophies mean, probably even what my words mean. When we do not know, it is very easy to create such great pictures in our minds, such magic can be in the way we look at these topics. The mind is so powerful we can even make much of it real in our experience.

Really, they are all talking about the most simple thing possible.

They are all just speaking about the you which is beyond ego.

That awareness alone.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

When you finally see, you will be amazed.

Can all these texts really just be pointing to this?

It is absurd.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

When you see, though, you know nothing else can be true.

All else depends on this, without this, nothing else can be.

There is certitude because any argument is just something arising in them, in front of this.

It is the very source of it all.

And where it all returns.

Unmanifest, truth.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

detach, renounce, surrender, be humble, let go

you are the underlying yes which allows all to be

the very fact it is there is that yes

no need to engage
no need to judge
that is ego

all happens of its own accord without the intent of ego

 

[Etu Malku]

No Thing cannot be a goal, it has never ceased to be the case. It is always no-thing-ness pretending to be something, choosing a path that creates this illusion of somethingness, walking that path to arrive at some imaginary destination. In the end what is seen is that it was just false ideas which created the whole play.

Sure . . . uhmmm, what?

I wonder if you realize though that your problem with this actually is about your ego?

I don't see it as a problem . . . but thanks for looking out for me!

Your whole path is about confirming the ego, about creating the perfect ego, but it doesn't work that way.

You mean, "YOUR" path doesn't work that way . . . mine works perfectly through Ego & Pride.

We will continue to clash until you understand the ego is simply an illusion, it doesn't exist, it is just a series of thoughts, there is no consistency in it at all.

Go see a psychologist so that (s)he can explain to you how an Individuated human being needs a healthy and balanced Ego. How your Ego is NOT an illusion, but rather a very very important aspect of your human life.

Similarly, identification with the body is delusion, it is never constant either.

Constant? Of course it isn't, it is always in a state of transformation.

All I am really pointing at is the real nature of why life has coherence at all. There is something which is constant, unchanging, throughout the process of growing up, maturing, something is there which doesn't move. Everything else is a flux, depending on this for its appearing.

I don't necessarily disagree with this statement . . . Individuated human beings are the goal of 'growing up' (whatever that means).

When the foundation of delusion falls, the house built atop it cannot remain standing. I am not someone concerned with removing each brick one by one, it is just a prolonging of delusion - there are no bricks, nor any house, just truth. All that is necessary is to cease clinging. I can go into this and that around this topic, but for what? What emerges naturally from the realization of no-thing-ness is always unique.

When you realize that delusion is actually a delusion, that we are ALL entitled to our own Paradigms, then you'll realize what We really are . . . a God Within Our Self.

For me, it is a crime to bring the house crumbling down, then build it with your own opinions.

You prefer building it back up with the opinions of another? Not me . . . I like My Self.

This only creates slaves, and there are enough slaves. This is all that is accomplished by long winded answers though, inevitably ego will come in and assert things which are outside the realm of truth.

Quite the opposite, relying on your Self Frees yourself from the bondage of another. As long as you are under the influence of another, you are bound to that paradigm and have not Become Your Own Self.

For this reason, freedom is all I am interested in addressing.

Then why continue to cage yourself?

 

[AdvaitaZen]

You mean, "YOUR" path doesn't work that way . . . mine works perfectly through Ego & Pride.

Where do you think this will get you, though?

Then why continue to cage yourself?

Definitions, identifications ARE the cage.

You think you are free because you can do what you want.

This isn't freedom, for what you want is based on what is available only.

True freedom lies in not wanting, seeing you already have all you need.

Chasing this way and that for some temporary fulfilment, it gets old, I have danced that dance.

The basic movement is self destructive.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

For me, true spirituality does not start until you see firmly that every activity is pointless.

For me, every action resulted in a question: What is the point?

Even if our society lasts millions of years, even if our universe lasts for trillions of years, ultimately none of this will exist one day. What was the point of it all? Why care about what man is accomplishing, why care about anything when ultimately it all fades to black?

Death consumed me, I had to know why all this is.

If your path is just about having more fun in this place, I don't understand. Just keep having fun, there is no problem, for me the spiritual search is more existential.

Only when the seeking is a matter of life and death can true transformation come of it.

Otherwise it is just a hobby, more information to devour.

I wasn't interested in the details, I wanted to know the point.

Why am I here?

Why is any of this here?

Why bother.

It was literally a case of either finding the reason or killing myself.

In the end it turned out these were the same.

 

[seattlegal]

Definitions, identifications ARE the cage.

Wow, something else we agree on!

{Although I prefer the term "untraceable" instead of your line of reasoning.}

 

[AdvaitaZen]

Wow, something else we agree on!

Just so it doesn't become a habit...

{Although I prefer the term "untraceable" instead of your line of reasoning.}

I cannot agree to this terminology.

Samadhi is exactly the source, it is the result of tracing all back to its origin.

It is unknown and unknowable because there is no mind there, there is no perception there, it is - as I've said before - very much like deep sleep. Yet, it is certainly traceable, this is the whole purpose of the "Who am I?" enquiry.

 

[Etu Malku]

Where do you think this will get you, though?

The Left Hand Path of Luciferian is towards a personal form of apotheosis.

Definitions, identifications ARE the cage.

Identifying something, by labeling it is assigning meaning to it by our subjective universe . . . that is what we do, we assign meaning to the objective universe with our subjective universes.

You think you are free because you can do what you want.

I don't know about you, but I can't do what I want while in the objective universe . . . I can't fly, I can't turn red, I can't make a right and end up all the way to the left.

Although, in my subjective universe I can do all of these things.

This isn't freedom, for what you want is based on what is available only. True freedom lies in not wanting, seeing you already have all you need.

I don't have everything I need.

The basic movement is self destructive.

Which basic movement would that be?

 

[AdvaitaZen]

The Left Hand Path of Luciferian is towards a personal form of apotheosis.

It is an imagination, it cannot happen.

The person is an appearance only, it can never become that which it appears for.

Apotheosis - since you want to use this term - is the result of surrendering the personal identifications, and seeing that you were always the one it appeared for.

You have never been that which you think can become God, you have always been God pretending to be you. The illusion cannot become a reality, it only ever appears to be.

Identifying something, by labeling it is assigning meaning to it by our subjective universe . . . that is what we do, we assign meaning to the objective universe with our subjective universes.

That is what the ego does, and this is how the perception of separation has arisen in the first place. It was always just a perception, it has arisen in our first memory and we spend the rest of our lives trying to prove it is so.

It was always a wrong perception, we cannot be something other, we are an arising in the one.

I don't know about you, but I can't do what I want while in the objective universe . . . I can't fly, I can't turn red, I can't make a right and end up all the way to the left.

This separate you is a fallacy, this distinct experience is a fallacy. You are everything appearing, and as such your point of perception needn't be fixed. If you want to fly, simply enter the perception of the bird, if you want to be red, enter the perception of the flower. All is available to us because we are the all.

Although, in my subjective universe I can do all of these things.

Imagination is not reality.

I don't have everything I need.

Hence your continued striving as something separate.

Which basic movement would that be?

Separation.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

As something distinct, we are limited to time and space, for we make ourselves something within consciousness.

Time is a measurement of movement, and space is the area in which movements move.

What we are is beyond both, eternal and infinite.

Just the potential for everything else to be experienced.

This I call awareness.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

Eternal meaning without time.
Infinite meaning unmeasurable.

We are not subject to time and space, we are the potential for both.
We are the container in which all we are conscious of comes and goes.
We are only the witness to it all.

 

[AdvaitaZen]

Witness meaning (to be, but more correctly that which is) present.
This same is the meaning of "am" and "be", both are popular ways of saying it.
It is that which knows all else.
It is the source of all that is knowable.
It is the fundamental sentience.
Exploring itself.

 

[Etu Malku]

It is an imagination, it cannot happen.

you seem to place way too much importance on the physical, objective universe as if IT were the only thing 'real'! It just isn't so.

The person is an appearance only, it can never become that which it appears for.

The 'person' you describe is the "me" not the "I" . . . there is a big difference.

Apotheosis - since you want to use this term - is the result of surrendering the personal identifications, and seeing that you were always the one it appeared for.

You have never been that which you think can become God, you have always been God pretending to be you. The illusion cannot become a reality, it only ever appears to be.

I did say "a form" of apotheosis if you care to actually read my posts.
Apotheosis is usually referring to the elevation of someone to a divine status, such as Yeshua the Nazarene.

Apotheosis (from Greek "to deify"; in Latin deificatio "making divine") is the glorification of a subject to divine level. In theology, the term apotheosis refers to the idea that an individual has been raised to godlike stature.

Why would you as a god, pretend to be something less? That is just stupid.
We all have a god within, it is our Monad, our Perfect Highest Self detached from all dualism and the objective universe. It far from a delusion, it is the actual reality of Self and highest consciousness.

That is what the ego does, and this is how the perception of separation has arisen in the first place. It was always just a perception, it has arisen in our first memory and we spend the rest of our lives trying to prove it is so.

It was always a wrong perception, we cannot be something other, we are an arising in the one.

Separation from the objective universe is not an illusion, it is very real and very important.

This separate you is a fallacy, this distinct experience is a fallacy. You are everything appearing, and as such your point of perception needn't be fixed. If you want to fly, simply enter the perception of the bird, if you want to be red, enter the perception of the flower. All is available to us because we are the all.

You keep referring to our objective reality as the only reality . . . it isn't, you should try to understand that.

Imagination is not reality.

You need to understand what reality means to you . . . because that is the only reality you can ever understand, to think you understand someone else's is truly delusional.

Placing utmost importance on only the objective experience enables us to see the shallowness of your beliefs. Imbalance of the soul only leads to imbalanced thoughts.

For someone who endless babbles about non-dualism, you are one of the most dualistic speaking persons I have ever come across. I can only arrive at one conclusion . . . you know not what you are talking about.

 

[seattlegal]

Separation from the objective universe is not an illusion, it is very real and very important.

As fleshly creatures, the objective universe and our subjective universe go through various stages of entanglement throughout our lifetime.

You keep referring to our objective reality as the only reality . . . it isn't, you should try to understand that.

Um, it seems to me that he is claiming objective reality to be illusion, not true reality.

You need to understand what reality means to you . . . because that is the only reality you can ever understand, to think you understand someone else's is truly delusional.

The funny thing about reality is that it persists even if we don't understand it.

Placing utmost importance on only the objective experience enables us to see the shallowness of your beliefs. Imbalance of the soul only leads to imbalanced thoughts.

Back to the objective universe entangled with the subjective universe and balance--diurnal cycle--we develop daily habits/patterns of wakefulness and sleep. Disruption of sleep patterns can certainly lead to imbalanced thoughts--as can disruption of other daily cycles--such as eating, etc.

If you are a female, you become entangled with the lunar cycle at puberty, and don't get freed from it until menopause. While this entanglement can certainly lead to imbalanced thoughts, disruption of this pattern can certainly lead to worry!

There is the annual cycle of variation between light and dark/length of day and night. Some people become manic to the point of suffering during the long days and depressed to the point of suffering during the long nights. Others manage without experiencing those extremes, but are still affected by this cycle. (Is this one component of the so-called "collective unconscious?")

These cycles are not an illusion--they are real.
Subjective effects people experience from these cycles are not an illusion--they are also real. However, you do have some power over the way you subjectively deal with these cycles--you have some power to create balance with these entanglements. You also have some power to create balance when you break from these entanglements--to a point. (Objective reality is quite persistent--sleep disruption will have real effects, hormones tied to the lunar cycle will keep being produced, etc.)

 

[AdvaitaZen]

you seem to place way too much importance on the physical, objective universe as if IT were the only thing 'real'! It just isn't so.

I place no importance on physical or spiritual, objective or subjective. What you are suggesting here seems to be that the internal world is also real, yet these are just as much objects in consciousness as a chair.

What I am interested in is pointing you towards what is seeing all this, THAT is the only reality.

The 'person' you describe is the "me" not the "I" . . . there is a big difference.

It is the me which clings to beliefs, to words and ideas.

The "I" is a pure presence, without modification.

Yet even this is seen by something...

I did say "a form" of apotheosis if you care to actually read my posts.
Apotheosis is usually referring to the elevation of someone to a divine status, such as Yeshua the Nazarene.

Yeshua has surrendered, he has realized his nature as the whole, as the source of all that appears. Clinging to what appears makes this impossible.

Apotheosis (from Greek "to deify"; in Latin deificatio "making divine") is the glorification of a subject to divine level. In theology, the term apotheosis refers to the idea that an individual has been raised to godlike stature.

These are of course just more ideas.

What does it actually mean?

It simply means this person has surrendered their dream and entered reality. It is never the case that we're not God, there is no glorification of the individual, it is only a seeing that behind the individual God already was.

Why would you as a god, pretend to be something less? That is just stupid.
We all have a god within, it is our Monad, our Perfect Highest Self detached from all dualism and the objective universe. It far from a delusion, it is the actual reality of Self and highest consciousness.

Yes.

Just believing this isn't helpful though, gaining knowledge about it won't help.

The surrender of all that isn't the monad must still take place. You cannot become a God, you can only drop the ego - the me - and see it was always a persona of God.

There is not two or more Gods, there is only one.

Separation from the objective universe is not an illusion, it is very real and very important.

Experientially false here.

You keep referring to our objective reality as the only reality . . . it isn't, you should try to understand that.

All that appears in consciousness is objective to us.

We make a false distinction between subjective and objective, we take everything seemingly within us and say this is subjective - sensations, feelings, thoughts. We say everything outside the body is objective - whatsoever these are responding to. This is false, the only reality is that for which all appears - if you want to take other plains into account, fine, other realms, ok... it is all objects within consciousness.

Consciousness is secondary to what we are.

You need to understand what reality means to you . . . because that is the only reality you can ever understand, to think you understand someone else's is truly delusional.

I think that believing there are many realities is delusional.

There are many perceptions, many projections onto reality, but reality is only one.

Placing utmost importance on only the objective experience enables us to see the shallowness of your beliefs. Imbalance of the soul only leads to imbalanced thoughts.

You project something which is untrue.

You have only misunderstood me.

For someone who endless babbles about non-dualism, you are one of the most dualistic speaking persons I have ever come across. I can only arrive at one conclusion . . . you know not what you are talking about.

Again, you have misunderstood, but language is dualistic so it is difficult to express truth through it. I do not blame you for seeing duality where there is none, for this is the projection of your mind onto my words.

 

[radarmark]

Consciousness is experience, reflexation (subjective thought) is experience, watching and catching a fly ball is experience.

Reality is a collection of these kinds of actualities (in my opinion, from quantum singularities to relativistic cosmology to seeing anew-born open their eyes to loving G!d).

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Hello again Radar!