Boston Bombers Muslim??

radarmark said:
Consciousness is experience, reflexation (subjective thought) is experience, watching and catching a fly ball is experience.

Reality is a collection of these kinds of actualities (in my opinion, from quantum singularities to relativistic cosmology to seeing anew-born open their eyes to loving G!d).
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No, reality is that for which it all appears.

What you have listed is impermanent, consciousness itself is impermanent - it is not there in deep sleep.

How can the impermanent be called reality?

Whatsoever is subject to time is a wave, find out what is the ocean.

Eternal means timeless, not subject to time.

That is what you are.
 
Amica said:
Etu Mulku,

Here are some links to Muslims protesting against terrorism:

Muslim Protests Against Terror (mirror) - YouTube

'This Does Not Represent Us': Moving Photos of Pro-American Rallies in Libya - Elspeth Reeve - The Atlantic Wire

Millions of Indian Muslims Protest Terrorism, Surrender Holiday Spirit: Media Silent | MarcGopin.com

Muslims Against Terror.com - From Nigeria To The World: We Denounce Terror!
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I am glad you posted this. I have been saying that not all muslims are violent and radical with much resistance because no one ever reports the things you posted here on national news.
 
Thank you, donnann.

There is no question about the fact that Muslims should ensure they are heard when protesting. However, we must keep in mind:

a. Many Muslims in the West come as refugees or immigrants, and do not know the laws in the new country. Very often they come from places where protesting is illegal and may result in jail time or worse.
b. Many Muslims in the West live in small, disorganized communities and to organize a protest may take time and lots of effort to get everyone on the board.
c. Muslims in the West have received lots of negative attention. Bringing more attention to themselves, for some, may be very scary.

Of course, none of these are excuses. Just may explain the common psychological response when one is put on the spot, as well as specific circumstances.
 
Amica said:
Thank you, donnann.

There is no question about the fact that Muslims should ensure they are heard when protesting. However, we must keep in mind:

a. Many Muslims in the West come as refugees or immigrants, and do not know the laws in the new country. Very often they come from places where protesting is illegal and may result in jail time or worse.
b. Many Muslims in the West live in small, disorganized communities and to organize a protest may take time and lots of effort to get everyone on the board.
c. Muslims in the West have received lots of negative attention. Bringing more attention to themselves, for some, may be very scary.

Of course, none of these are excuses. Just may explain the common psychological response when one is put on the spot, as well as specific circumstances.
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I understand that and it is sad.
 
donnann, similarly I have a prejudice towards Christians. What the Wahabbis are to Islam perhaps you are right and what I see as "Christians" (Evangelicals and Fundamentalists) are to the bulk of Christians (RCs, OOs, EOs, UUs, etc).
 
radarmark said:
donnann, similarly I have a prejudice towards Christians. What the Wahabbis are to Islam perhaps you are right and what I see as "Christians" (Evangelicals and Fundamentalists) are to the bulk of Christians (RCs, OOs, EOs, UUs, etc).
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One thing I have to say about christianity is that they preach and teach and try to live according to the life of Jesus. Jesus healed the sick, he didnt make people sick, he preached the forgiveness of sins not the condemnation of people, he rose somebody from the dead he didnt keep them from rising. This is what god does and doesnt do. So I do not have a problem with christians holding to these doctrines and teachings.
 
this was an al-Qaida rationale attack so nothing to do with most muslims!
 
donnann said:
One thing I have to say about christianity is that they preach and teach and try to live according to the life of Jesus. Jesus healed the sick, he didnt make people sick, he preached the forgiveness of sins not the condemnation of people, he rose somebody from the dead he didnt keep them from rising. This is what god does and doesnt do. So I do not have a problem with christians holding to these doctrines and teachings.
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Wouldn't it be nice.

Ahmad232 said:
this was an al-Qaida rationale attack so nothing to do with most muslims!
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agreed.
 
Well the Koran does allow such attacks. There's probably two dozen or so verses that encourage Muslims to commit terror attacks. It also depends on what version of the Koran you read. Many versions today are watered down and have lightened up on their animosity toward infidels. Islamic terrorism is also prophesied in the bible.

Qur'an 8:5 "The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them."

Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."

The difference between Westboro Baptist, the KKK, or any one else who uses any book or ideal to kill people is that Islam's goal is world domination through demographics and terrorism. They are the only religion on the planet that wants to dominate the world.
 
33:60 is about Medina...those that travel to the holy city to do harm...doh...they are instructed to fight back. But that is only when all other avenues are exhausted.

Your 8:5 reference is wrong...it is 8:59...and why don't you tell us what leads upto 8:59 and what 8:60 says??

Or didn't you read that far??
 
Stop undermining him! He's just trying to spread prejudice, ignorance and hate, as is his right as an internet personality!
 
donnann said:
I am glad you posted this. I have been saying that not all muslims are violent and radical with much resistance because no one ever reports the things you posted here on national news.
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Not all Muslim's are violent and not all Muslim's are terrorist but why is it that nearly all terror attacks are committed by Muslim's?

According to "The Religion of Peace" in 2013 there were...

2801 jihad attacks in 51 countries against 5 religions with 16,710 dead bodies and 29,432 people critically injured.

When Daniel Pipes was asked the question, "how many terrorist are there in the world," he said...

In 2006 it was estimated that there were 300 million JIHADIST in the world and 400 million radicals. That's roughly half the Muslim population of the world at that time.
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A radical is different than a jihadist. They won't strap bombs on themselves or fly planes into buildings but they logistically support them.

According to The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan...
Muslim women are treated as second-class citizens in Islam.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) says hundreds of women were killed in so-called honor killings in the country last year. In its annual report, the HRCP said 913 girls and women, including 99 minors, were killed in 2012.

The report said 604 were killed after being accused of having
illicit relations with men.

Around 191 were reported slain for marrying their own choice of husbands and going against their families' wishes. Honor killings are illegal in Pakistan, but such killings are still carried out in remote tribal areas. The number of honor killings in Pakistan usually ranges between 600 and 900 each year.

In Kolkata India on December 7 another killing in the name of "honor" and there has been a surge in such attacks over the past several months.

Nilofar Bibi, 22, was only 14 years old when she left home in an arranged marriage. Alleging torture carried out by her in-laws, Bibi returned to her parents on November 28, but vanished days later.

Her brother, Mehtab Alam, 29, had discovered his sister was living with an old boyfriend, Firoz, an auto-rickshaw driver. Alam stormed into the home and dragged Bibi onto the street in broad daylight.

Passers-by looked on in horror as he cut off Bibi's head while saying "she had sinned and had to be punished".

Alam left his sister's body in a pool of blood on the road, and calmly walked to the police station, her head in hand, to surrender himself. The siblings' family expressed support for Alam, saying they were proud he upheld their honor.
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How many friends did you lose on September 11, 2001?
 
My friend lost his Maid of Honor in the plane that hit the south tower.

Most people don't know that the word LOVE is not found in the Koran!

What's not reported on very much is that they fear biological terrorism in Sochi.
That could light the fuse!
 
It appears we have folks that are not prepared for interfaith dialogue or discussion.

Fear and hate mongering is not what we do here. There must be a misconception.

Muslims speak out about violence every day, around the world...speak out against the radicals and suicide bombers....but our media sees no need to display it...and if they did their are fear and hate mongers that would be whining.

back to verse 60....was the actual reading of the Koran not part of the script you were given??
 
wil said:
It appears we have folks that are not prepared for interfaith dialogue or discussion.

Fear and hate mongering is not what we do here. There must be a misconception.

Muslims speak out about violence every day, around the world...speak out against the radicals and suicide bombers....but our media sees no need to display it...and if they did their are fear and hate mongers that would be whining.

back to verse 60....was the actual reading of the Koran not part of the script you were given??
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This section of Islam says...

Islam and Islamic issues...

You accuse me of hate but I don't hate people and Muslims are people. I hate the religion of Islam as I believe it is "Babylon the Great." What I've posted are all documented facts. I'm a Catholic and even my "Protestant piers" accuse my Church of being evil. They accuse my Church of producing the anti-Christ and the false prophet and call Catholicism "the whore of Babylon!" I'm use to their attacks on my religion even though my religion is not "committing the abominations of the earth" today...ISLAM IS!

Maybe if it were your 14 year old sisters head that was cut off and brought to the police station, or maybe if it were your maid of honor that was on the plane that struck the south tower...you would think different about this!
 
kaoticprofit said:
This section of Islam says...

Islam and Islamic issues...

You accuse me of hate but I don't hate people and Muslims are people. I hate the religion of Islam as I believe it is "Babylon the Great." What I've posted are all documented facts. I'm a Catholic and even my "Protestant piers" accuse my Church of being evil. They accuse my Church of producing the anti-Christ and the false prophet and call Catholicism "the whore of Babylon!" I'm use to their attacks on my religion even though my religion is not "committing the abominations of the earth" today...ISLAM IS!

Maybe if it were your 14 year old sisters head that was cut off and brought to the police station, or maybe if it were your maid of honor that was on the plane that struck the south tower...you would think different about this!
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I myself do not like the attacks against the catholic church because they are false accusations. There are peaceful muslims though and yes actually cutting someones head off is really a gross misinterpretation of the Koran. The catholic church used to communicate with the peasants by using paintings because a lot of them could not read. They had one picture of john the Baptist holding his head on a platter while his head was attached to his body. The head on the platter he was holding represented the carnal mind and the head on his body the divine mind. So in holy scripture a beheading doesn't mean to kill someone literally it is symbolic to represent replacing the carnal mind with the divine mind. Muslims who take it literally are doing the opposite of what the Koran is actually telling them what to do. Jesus is a great example though because his actions show what you should and shouldn't do. It is a shame that the peaceful muslims do not make themselves more known. Even one of the popes kissed the Koran because he knew the true interpretation of the book. The attacks are really more political than they are religious hiding behind some false religious motive.
 
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