In pursuit of the mystical

[donnann]

Obviously you have your reasons for being here and sharing your words, even if it is personal.

You are strongly entrenched in a religion which requires your belief and participation, for something which you cannot see, and by your own words experience, and you tell me I am having problems with brain chemistry?

Simple truth is that there is a purpose to incarnating in the physical, and it has very little to do with being saved by another. Just my perspective.

My experiences are, quite obviously to me, going to be unique. They are also however, typical in more way than one.

I believe with your state of mind, religion is more than appropriate for you. I however, have released my needs and fears concerning what will happen to me upon death, and realize that my own actions and desires will affect me in a very direct way. I have no need to reach for something I cannot see and trust what someone else tells me about the Truth. I can experience that for myself, as well as the rest of the folks reading this. They just don't realize it.

Which of course brings me to what I am doing here: sharing something that could be potentially valuable for the right folks - from my own experience.

One who was previously in the habit of tricking seekers could indeed have considerable problems verifying what I am saying: but that is consequences of actions, not punishment.

Considering the concepts I have introduced, for you to feel you have heard anything near a thorough explanation is unrealistic. If you think what I shared was complex, it's because you do not understand it in full yet; it's really very simply understood, though I have very little idea of the mechanics of much, I just figure out what I can and when. It is not, however, difficult to understand.

People on this forum are very intelligent. I dont think you are giving them enough credit. What answers can you provide to enlighten others on this forum? If you have any I for one am willing to listen. I cant speak for the others on this forum.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

if the aim is mystical experience then psychedelics are most direct route

 

[Thomas]

Thomas as a catholic I hope you know that miracles are not a hallucination.

I know they're not.

I'm not talking about miracles. Miracles and mystical experience are two quite separate things.

This is noted in catholic doctrines and beliefs.

As one operating well outside Catholic doctrine and belief, please don't lecture me on dogma!

Jesus didnt do things in secret.

Of course He did. Wherever did you get that impression? Check your Scripture.

 

[Thomas]

Obviously you have your reasons for being here and sharing your words, even if it is personal.

It would be more use to the dialogue if you actually chose to discuss the point I was making, the contemporary misreading of mediaeval texts — rather than make ill-informed, asumptive and somewhat offensive assumptions about my character.

Simple truth is that there is a purpose to incarnating in the physical, and it has very little to do with being saved by another. Just my perspective.

That's fine, but as I pointed out, your perspective is evidently dualistic, which will prevent you from correctly understanding the data of the Christian Revelation.

My experiences are, quite obviously to me, going to be unique. They are also however, typical in more way than one.

Yes, they do seem quite typical of views and opinions shaped by the Romance Movement (from which sprang Theosophy, Anthroposophy, (pseudo-)Wicca, various European esoteric schools, Spiritualism, seances, etc., etc., the Sublime in art, the Gothic in literature... it was a revolt against the dehumanising aspects of the Industrial Revolution, and underpins much of New Age thinking.

 

[Thomas]

if the aim is mystical experience then psychedelics are most direct route

Thank you! That's a classic example.

People take psychedelics, and then come to see that there are different ways of perceiving the world. The error is in then assuming that psychedelics is the key to unlocking a higher order of experience.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Thank you! That's a classic example.

People take psychedelics, and then come to see that there are different ways of perceiving the world. The error is in then assuming that psychedelics is the key to unlocking a higher order of experience.

why is it an error ? and what is your experience of these psychedelics ?

 

[Thomas]

why is it an error?

Because it's not you, it's the drug.

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

Because it's not you, it's the drug.

its you an the drug.

psychedelics have been a part of spirituality throughout the history of mankind.

even the Ark of the Covenant was made from hallucinogenic material, Acacia Wood.

 

[donnann]

its you an the drug.

psychedelics have been a part of spirituality throughout the history of mankind.

even the Ark of the Covenant was made from hallucinogenic material, Acacia Wood.

psychedelics can lead to imaginations. I do not see how they are a part of spirituality. The ark of the covenant was not made of hallucinogenic material. Where in the world did you get that from? Wood in symbolism represents the spirit , it doesn't represent hallucinogenics. Can you explain what you mean? The ark being the container represents the body. The inside represents spirit. It again is really all about the union of body soul and spirits that is love light. Its not about hallucinogens. We grow up watching movies ect and some of the movies are just a product of someones imagination. Those things are recorded in our brains. Hallucinogens may bring out those imaginations and are not reality. So I do not see how you can use them for spiritual growth.

 

[donnann]

its you an the drug.

psychedelics have been a part of spirituality throughout the history of mankind.

even the Ark of the Covenant was made from hallucinogenic material, Acacia Wood.

The ark of the covenant has not been found yet. It contains within it tablets. Those tablets represent the kingdom of heaven, the place beyond as well as here.

 

[donnann]

Because it's not you, it's the drug.

some combinations of things, basically wrong sequences, are harmful. Look at poison ivy. It gives you a rash. Originally that plant was not harmful. It has distsorted from its origin. If you took that plant and placed it in its right sequence it would go back to its original condtion. Hallucinigentics are in the wrong sequence. They are not good for you and do NOT aide in spiritual growth. Even if some of them are considered natural. So Thomas your right , it is the drug.

 

[Paladin]

The ark of the covenant has not been found yet. It contains within it tablets. Those tablets represent the kingdom of heaven, the place beyond as well as here.

I've been told that it is being examined by "top men".









sorry, i couldn't resist.

 

[donnann]

I've been told that it is being examined by "top men".









sorry, i couldn't resist.

lol lol

 

[NiceCupOfTea]

psychedelics can lead to imaginations. I do not see how they are a part of spirituality.

psychedelics have played a part in human spirituality since the beginning and are still in use amongst shamanic cultures.

The ark of the covenant was not made of hallucinogenic material. Where in the world did you get that from? Wood in symbolism represents the spirit , it doesn't represent hallucinogenics. Can you explain what you mean?

the wood that it is made of Acacia is hallucinogenic and is related to Ayahuasca which is in use by shamanic cultures in south america.

The ark being the container represents the body. The inside represents spirit. It again is really all about the union of body soul and spirits that is love light. Its not about hallucinogens. We grow up watching movies ect and some of the movies are just a product of someones imagination. Those things are recorded in our brains. Hallucinogens may bring out those imaginations and are not reality. So I do not see how you can use them for spiritual growth.

 

[wil]

Drugs can be used as a crutch, as door, as an awakening....

Mystical does not need to be sought....simply observed...it is here if we open our eyes. Some take a guru to do this, others meditation, others halucinogens may do it (studies on psylocibin at John Hopkins have had numerous people go thru that door).

Tis tough tho living in todays world....but even mystics have bills to pay.

 

[radarmark]

I have been at both Native American Church and ayahuasa rituals (and not partaken because it is not my path), they can help. NAC has the highest alcoholic recovery rate of any treatment. And I choose not to judge ayahuasa shamans.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

I have no experience at all so it is beyond me why the experiences under the influence of psychedelics would be anything but mental glitches. Knowing what is what seems as likely as interpretations in astrology (which some of us put stock in and other not).

 

[wil]

Johns Hopkins University Psilocybin & Spirituality | Heffter Research Institute

some PDFs here to read and comment on...



and for those willing to take the plunge...

Scientific Study of Self-exploration and Personal Meaning

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

People on this forum are very intelligent. I dont think you are giving them enough credit. What answers can you provide to enlighten others on this forum? If you have any I for one am willing to listen. I cant speak for the others on this forum.

Not my job to enlighten folks. I'm here for selfish reasons, but that doesn't negate the truth that some will see my words and recognize some of what I say, and perhaps it help them answer a few of their own questions. The answers that I might have that will help others can only be brought out by questions and conversation.

 

[BrotherMichaelSky]

if the aim is mystical experience then psychedelics are most direct route

Yes, you may eject yourself from the body as surely as you can step out. If you need psychedelics to do it however, not the slightest bit will make the "correct" amount of sense to you. Psychedelics will ensure there are mis-communications and a lowering of vibration.

To give an example - try watching tv with a tuner that wanders all over the dial.