I guess I am immune... I cant see how rolling eggs on a lawn or lighting a tree is trying to get anyone to convert to Christianity.... Nor however can I see how ISIS beheading someone is to make me feel more compassionate about Muslims...
Is ISIS/Taliban/etc. Muslim...
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What people don't seem to realize, or do not want to realize, is that the major holidays in the U.S. have diverged into two versions. There is the religious version. And there is the secular version. Having an easter egg hunt at the White House is pushing no religious agenda, it is simply a fun thing for kids to do.
These two versions have co-existed in this country very comfortably for a very long time, and of course many families do both. It is just this current time of stupidity raised to the level of insanity that there is suddenly a 'problem'. Which there isn't. The supposed problem is entirely fictitious, promoted by people with political and religious agendas.
These two versions have co-existed in this country very comfortably for a very long time, and of course many families do both. It is just this current time of stupidity raised to the level of insanity that there is suddenly a 'problem'. Which there isn't. The supposed problem is entirely fictitious, promoted by people with political and religious agendas.
Trump and ridiculousness on Starbucks cups...
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Is it indoctrination or is has it simply become a tradition? My parents put up a Christmas tree and play Christmas carols but they are both atheists, so they are certainly not trying to indoctrinate anyone. Malls play Christmas carols because it makes people spend more (good old capitalism).
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I've heard this before, but I think (take it as just my opinion) it is still a form of indoctrination in that if they decided God was real, they would be more focussed on Christianity given their adherence to some if not all of its customs?
Again I'm not using Indoctrination as a negative thing, merely a mode of spreading ones ideas by use of social norms.
Can you elaborate on woman in term of slavery ,prisoner of war and forced marriage in islam? ISIS may be wrong to force Islam onto the women they caught and oppress them but other than that,did they do anything wrong from from the islamic perspective?
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Yes I believe that for many it has simply become tradition. A tradition that has taken pieces of Saturnalia of the ancient Romans, Yule from the Pagans and Jesus through the Christian traditions. All mixed up together to become what the holiday celebration is today. I do not think it is indoctrination because I do not think most of this was done with intent.
Is it halal for muslims to simply gang up and wage wars on other nations and if they win afterwards ,force the people there to pay jizyah if they don't want to convert? (I am not referring to ISIS because they certainly do other stuffs as well)
Regarding letter to baghdadi point no.19:It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God, I thought it is said that all good and evil are from Allah?
Regarding letter to baghdadi point no.19:It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God, I thought it is said that all good and evil are from Allah?
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Because you've studied Islam?
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There is so much speculation in this that I do not know if I can weed through the presuppositions. First I encourage you to take these questions where you have issues with what you perceive through your studies (be it media or academia) to be an evil ideal to the thread labeled "What's wrong with Islam"
Slavery in Islam was abolished according to most scholars I have head of. This is due to the countless reasons to free a slave, combined with the fact that no war is supposed to be waged as an aggression. Without Aggressing there shouldn't come a time when women would need care and sustenance that their husband cannot provide due to death in war against the Islamic nation. Second you must understand that slavery in Islam was never what you have remembered from American history. The women were not treated as objects, they had rights and privileges. If she wished to marry her master, she could (given that he could afford to sustain her as a wife, and was not already maxed out on wives). In marrying him, she was to be set free. Her children are born free. The man could not force her into marriage, which negates the whole discussion on "forced marriages and the atrocities done in such". Prisoners of war are to be fed, well watered, and protected until peace is made, at which time a ransom is supposed to be offered (at the greatest level of harshness, direct freeing of prisoners is preferable), and if they convert, they are to be set free. The prisoners who aren't ransomed or freed may be taken as slaves, but they are to be cared for and their worship to their belief structure isn't supposed to be impeded.
The atrocities done by ISIS from an Islamic perspective are such a long list, I don't know if one can be made.
No... rest is redundant...
If they are living in an area controlled by Muslims, and have come upon a reason to pay Jizyah, they have 2 other choices they can make... in total 3... 1) Pay
2) Convert
3) move out
these 3 options incur no harm for refusing or taking any, noone can be harmed for moving away, and their things cannot be stolen.
http://www.myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=5988
I quickly skimmed this but it seems to be well written and substantiated.
I think my idea of indoctrination is simply different. I don't see the act as evil or ill willed, but rather spreading a faith through social norms. Whether you believe in God or not, you are most likely more willing to accept Christianity based on its acceptance in cultural norms if you were to start believing.
let us not forget, kids are quite impressionable. Having a child in a Christian Dominant area is quite exhausting in that the traditions are pushed (much like what you have been stating) without a big issue, until they also state that this "magical season" is for the birth of God (yes... US SOUTH... it is a thing). Also a small complaint, they spend 3-4 weeks trying to convince kids Santa/ elves are real, all the while taking breaks from math and sciences. The moment my son says there is no Santa Clause, they make quick work to make him shut his mouth.
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The Burka has its place, but it isn't a required piece. more for Women who wish to be more "Modest" and guarding more of themselves from the gazes of non-mahram
Richard Pickett
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Again not a required religious item....
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I read that female slaves can be forced to have sexual intercourse with the male muslims that captured them.Is it true? Or true up till a certain time?Because I read someone forcibly have sex with one of the slave, someone else said that it is fine, a letter is sent to Umar and Umar sentenced the person to death,that person died immediately though.
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no.... simple answer... it is not possible to force a woman into intercourse. It is legal to marry your slave if she accepts, from some scholarly views it is ok to have intercourse with a slave, but even then she must consent.
beyond all that, Slavery is mostly considered outlawed at this point, due to all the conditions in which a slave is to be freed, no slaves should exist anymore. This was stated by a Caliph (which would have been a companion of the Prophet (PBUH)) of the first few generations if I'm not mistaken.
Pardon me but WTF???
Is this why they kill women for getting raped instead if the male perpetrator...
I am going to attempt an open mind as you try to explain this...but don't be surprised if I speak my mind afterword...
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No, they kill them because they are judging based on old (Pre-Mouhammed (PBUH)) cultural ties. Nowhere is it warranted to killing a woman for NOT CHOOSING TO FORNICATE. Come on wil, you know more than that. The only one worth killing is the Perpetrator. This is contrast to the Torah's Law. The only one who is guilty is the one who intended harm.
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What does the Caliphs say about attacking Infidel women in their own Non- Muslim country? Just curious, as to the recent events in France, Sweden, Norway and Finland. Unless of course these were not Muslim men or terrorists who have a warped idea of the Qur'an. Yet in reports I have heard about, these men claimed legality under the Qur'an.