Is anybody came from heavens to this world in the human history? No

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
Why did Moses fail to teach them this? Will God forgive them all, and can they be saved without this "whole purpose" ?
Can Jews "be saved" without believing that Jesus' death and resurrection is God's "whole purpose" or not?
I am not sure of the Judaic 'afterlife' concept, but don't think it matches the Christian concept? Christians also differ: Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the same concept as do New Apostolics; Baha'i have a similar concept to JW, I believe -- and eastern faiths have again their own different concepts, so ...
 
Last edited:

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
(Most) Christians hold the death and resurrection central to their faith. Muslims and others do not hold the same belief. But the point of my posts is that whatever anyone believes, the gospels cannot be used as evidence that Jesus survived the cross.
 

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
(Most) Christians hold the death and resurrection central to their faith. Muslims and others do not hold the same belief. But the point of my posts is that whatever anyone believes, the gospels cannot be used as evidence that Jesus survived the cross.
If you say so.. :)

Of course, there are lots of Gospels other than the 4 canonical ones..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gospels

Furthermore, some people might examine the differences between various writings of the NT to raise doubt.
..but yes, we know that the 4 Gospels in the NT are based on the belief that Jesus died on the cross.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
@muhammad_isa
Good to hear from you :)
Hope you're doing ok?
I'm not doing so well .. I had a bad summer.
My garden is overgrown now, for the first time in the 18 years I have been at my present address.
I think I might have long covid, and spend too much time alone feeling down.

I was just looking up my past, and found the C of E church I used to be a choir boy..
southbourne_christopher.jpg


St Christopher, Arnewood Road, Southbourne, Bournemouth
 
Last edited by a moderator:

RJM

God Feeds the Ravens
Admin
Messages
9,283
Reaction score
2,194
Points
108
I'm not doing so well .. I had a bad summer.
My garden is overgrown now, for the first time in the 18 years I have been at my present address.
I think I might have long covid, and spend too much time alone feeling down.
Ah, sorry to hear that :(
was just looking up my past, and found the C of E church I used to be a choir boy..


southbourne_christopher.jpg

St Christopher, Arnewood Road, Southbourne, Bournemouth
Nice
 

Cino

Big Love! (Atheist mystic)
Admin
Messages
3,757
Reaction score
2,021
Points
108
Location
Germany
I'm not doing so well .. I had a bad summer.
My garden is overgrown now, for the first time in the 18 years I have been at my present address.
I think I might have long covid, and spend too much time alone feeling down.

Hope you get better!
 
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
I'm sure you had a sweet little voice, lol ;)
Well, I sung in tune.
I remember singing soprano in Hallelujah Chorus at the choir in school .. that was fun. :)

I was also appreciated in giving Azhan [ call to prayer ] in my earlier days as a Muslim.

Allahu Akbar [ "God is the greatest" ]
Ashhadu ala ilaha illallah
[ "I testify that there is no god but God." ]
Ash hadu anna Muhammadar rasoolullah [ "I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God" ]
Hayya 'alasalah [ "Come to prayer." ]
Hayya 'alal falah [ "Come to success." ]
Allahu Akbar [ "God is the greatest"
]
La ilaha illallah [ "There is none worthy of worship except God" ]


I didn't need a microphone :oops:
 

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
I think Jews do not have the after-life concept. That is what I have read.
Not true .. they do.

The afterlife is known as olam ha-ba the "world to come", עולם הבא in Hebrew, and related to concepts of Gan Eden, the Heavenly "Garden in Eden", or paradise, and Gehinnom. The phrase olam ha-ba does not occur in the Hebrew Bible. The accepted halakha is that it is impossible for living human beings to know what the world to come is like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology
 

Thomas

Administrator
Admin
Messages
12,582
Reaction score
2,747
Points
108
I'm not doing so well .. I had a bad summer.
...
I think I might have long covid, and spend too much time alone feeling down.
Ah, hang in there. You getting any treatment for it?
 
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
I get my pension and a few tablets.. :confused:

It's all in the mind, they say .. probably is .. however the mind is connected to the body.
..and it feels as if the body is giving up, which affects the mind .. hmmm.

I was more or less banned from using trains and buses for the last 2 years.
..and now we are expected to carry on where we left off.
The NHS can do very little, at least in my area. I think the mental health professionals
are all on sick-leave .. they are no doubt suffering from stress-related body/head conditions.
 
Last edited:

Yahweh kid

I am blessed!
Messages
83
Reaction score
17
Points
8
Location
Texas
I get my pension and a few tablets.. :confused:

It's all in the mind, they say .. probably is .. however the mind is connected to the body.
..and it feels as if the body is giving up, which affects the mind .. hmmm.

I was more or less banned from using trains and buses for the last 2 years.
..and now we are expected to carry on where we left off.
The NHS can do very little, at least in my area. I think the mental health professionals
are all on sick-leave .. they are no doubt suffering from stress-related body/head conditions.
Getting old is not for babies.....:eek:;):D
 

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
Ah, hang in there. You getting any treatment for it?
I looked at the NHS England website, and it said that > 60 long covid clinics have been set up, including the worcester acute hospital trust. [my area]

..but on searching for a clinic on their website or searching Google, there is nought !
That does not surprise me. They are pretty hopeless in my experience.
A few years ago I went to A&E and insisted that they treat my mental health problems.
They did admit me .. filled me with drugs and I never saw any doctor or had any contact with a nurse or professional.
After one week, they made me sign myself out, and I've never been offered anything other than an increase in medication.

Hopeless ! :eek:
 

Aupmanyav

Search, be your own guru.
Messages
2,206
Reaction score
697
Points
108
Location
New Delhi, India
I feel weary.
Just one or two drinks and go out to enjoy the sunrise. Pick up any activity. Participate in forums more vigorously. Be active. I will soon be stepping into my 81st, but I do not have the problem of being lonely.

Edit: My wife and the Indian combined family system.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RJM

muhammad_isa

Save Our Souls
Messages
3,271
Reaction score
702
Points
108
Location
Worcester UK
Just one or two drinks and go out to enjoy the sunrise. Pick up any activity. Participate in forums more vigorously. Be active. I will soon be stepping into my 81st, but I do not have he problem of being lonely.
You don't live in the UK. :(
The UK is suffering from post-industrial syndrome.
It is a "wealthy industrial nation" that is in decline .. much like the US .. mental illness is increasing year on year.
Most people live in their "boxes" and travel in their "boxes".

I think Japan is the worst. They have agencies that they pay to send "friends" to their apartments.
 
Top