Is anybody came from heavens to this world in the human history? No

[wil]

I believe, and will later reveal, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest COPIES of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses

Have you posted an into? Trying to understand where you are
Coming from

 

[The Anointed]

Have you posted an into? Trying to understand where you are
Coming from

I am coming from a belief that Enoch, at the age of 365 was taken up bodily (See Genesis 5: 23-24. KJV.) and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of the Most High in the creation and translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of brilliant and blinding light in order that he should never experience death (See Hebrews 11: 5. KJV.) and HE, the Most High in the creation (THE SON OF MAN) is my Lord God and savior.

 

[wil]

I am coming from a belief that Enoch, at the age of 365 was taken up bodily (See Genesis 5: 23-24. KJV.) and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of the Most High in the creation and translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of brilliant and blinding light in order that he should never experience death (See Hebrews 11: 5. KJV.) and HE, the Most High in the creation (THE SON OF MAN) is my Lord God and savior.

Very well, is there a group, an order, a gaggle or gazillion followers? No affiliation, or one that thrives on secrecy?

 

[The Anointed]

Very well, is there a group, an order, a gaggle or gazillion followers? No affiliation, or one that thrives on secrecy?

I have no affiliation with any other group, although there are many Like myself, who believe in the Lord who guided the Israelites through the wilderness.

And we know that Jesus and his apostles taught from the words of Righteous Enoch. From where do you suppose that Peter received the teaching that this universe is going to burn up and vanish?


2 Peter 3: 10; But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish.

You will find no mention of this in the Hebrew or Christian Scriptures, but you will find it in the words of Righteous Enoch.

 

[wil]

I have no affiliation with any other group, although there are many Like myself, who believe in the Lord who guided the Israelites through the wilderness.

So there is no group but their are others?

Other than the book of Enoch and the dictionary of myth, are there other books that those that believe yet don't gather utilize?

 

[The Anointed]

So there is no group but their are others?

Who said that there were no groups? THERE are others who believe that Enoch has inherited the throne of the MOST-HIGH to have developed within the creation, who may have formed into groups in order to support and strengthen each others belief and if there are, I have no affiliation with them.

Other than the book of Enoch and the dictionary of myth, are there other books that those that believe yet don't gather utilize?

BTW, it is the Book of “ALL SCRIPTURES” and Myths, and yes. there are other books which those that believe and may or may not gather into groups can utilize.

The Zohar is a foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah. It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah (the five books of Moses) and scriptural interpretations as well as material on mysticism and the Zohar describes Metatron as the "KING OF THE ANGELS” This corresponds closely with Maimonides' description of the Talmudic "PRINCE OF THE WORLD", traditionally associated with Metatron, as the core "ACTIVE INTELLECT.​

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.

Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron’s twin, is in fact Elijah’s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "The lesser YHVH" (The Son of The MOST-HIGH) resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness. The Hebrew ‘JHVH’ translated to English, as seen in Exodus 3: 14; means, ‘I Am.’

Gershom Scholem suggests that the name (The Lesser YHWH) was deliberately omitted from later copies of the Talmud. Although Extra-talmudic mystical texts such as Sefer Hekhalot do speak of a "lesser YHWH", apparently deriving the concept from Exodus 23:21, which mentions an angel of whom God says "my name [understood as YHVH,] is in him".

The Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good, who belong to the generation of the light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honor as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved my ‘Holy Name,’ and I will seat each one on the throne of his honor, and they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

 

[moralorel]

I am coming from a belief that Enoch, at the age of 365 was taken up bodily (See Genesis 5: 23-24. KJV.) and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of the Most High in the creation and translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of brilliant and blinding light in order that he should never experience death (See Hebrews 11: 5. KJV.) and HE, the Most High in the creation (THE SON OF MAN) is my Lord God and savior.

So are you saying that Enoch ascended into heaven?

 

[The Anointed]

So are you saying that Enoch ascended into heaven?

I am saying that the bible tells us that Enoch ascended into heaven.

Genesis 5:23–24 — King James Version (KJV 1900) 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Genesis 5:23–24 — New Living Translation (NLT) 23 Enoch lived 365 years, 24 walking in close fellowship with God. Then one day he disappeared, because God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 KJV 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Jude, a member of the family of Mary and the carpenter also speaks of Enoch the Righteous; Jude 1:14-15; And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

And from the Pseudepigrapha of the Hebrew Scriptures you can read of Enoch's anointment as the heir and successor to the throne of the Most-High in the creation and his translation from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of brilliant and blinding light.

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up and led me before the Lord’s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Most-High said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word."

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory."

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

To translate something is to change it from one form to another. Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not experience death, and he was not found because God had translated him.”

Enoch was the one from the earlier age of Man that was destroyed by water, who was chosen to serve God before the body of Adam into all eternity.

 

[moralorel]

So let me get this straight. Jesus was in heaven and then was born on earth as Enoch. He had sons and daughters (so Jesus had children) and then God took Him to heaven. Then He came back, for a second time, and died. Never in my life have I ever heard this claim. This brings up so many questions. Why did He come to Earth twice as a human? Why didn't Jesus tell everyone that He was Enoch? Did this happen other times? Were there other biblical figures who were also Jesus? Or was it just Enoch? Why didn't the apostles mention this? The apostle John spoke a lot about Jesus yet never mentioned Him being Enoch. Do you believe Elijah was also Jesus? Since Enoch walked with God, does that mean that He was walking with the Father on Earth? Did Moses meet Enoch? Did Jacob fight Enoch? Why didn't Enoch say "I" am coming with 10,000 saints instead of "The Lord"?

John 3:13 "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man." So this would mean that Enoch was known as the Son of Man. Once again, I have never seen Enoch mentioned as the Son of Man.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.”

So possibly the wisest man in history didn't care to tell everyone that Enoch was the exception?

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Hebrews 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth." Why didn't the author write "with the exception of Enoch"? Shouldn't he have mentioned that Enoch did indeed receive the promise?

1 Corinthians 15:18, 20 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. … But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep" Wouldn't Enoch be mentioned as the firstfruits instead?

Job 14:12 “So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep."

You would think that Job of all people would've mentioned Enoch as the exception.

John 1:2 "He was with God in the beginning” So Jesus was with God in the beginning, then with no fanfare He just decided to be born as Enoch, and then go to heaven only to return later.?

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Enoch went to heaven, was the Son of Man, was the Son of God, was Jesus, or that Jesus had biological children. Are you sure you aren't assuming he went to heaven? Because making that leap brings up a lot of questions.

 

[The Anointed]

Ecclesiastes 9:5 “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.”

So possibly the wisest man in history didn't care to tell everyone that Enoch was the exception?

From the book of Sirach, which is to be found in the Apocrypha of the Old Testament, coupled together with the book of Job, a number of the Psalms, Parables, Ecclesiastes, and the Wisdom of Solomon, all belong to the Hogmah or Wisdom Literature of the Hebrews, ‘Mashal’ means Similitude, parable, or proverb.----- In the book of Sirach, R, H, Charles translation chapter 47 verse 17, it is written concerning Solomon, “By thy SONGS, PARABLES,, DARK SPEECHS, and SATIRES, thou didst cause astonishment to the peoples etc.”

Thus says the SATIRIST Solomon; ECCLESIASTES 9: 2-6; The same fate comes to the righteous and the wicked, to the good and the bad, to those who are religious and those who are not, to those who offer sacrifices and those who do not. A good person is no better off than a sinner; one who takes an oath is no better off than one who does not. One fate comes to all alike, and this is as wrong as anything that happens in this world. As long as people live, their minds are full of evil and madness, and suddenly they die. But anyone who is alive in the world of the living has some hope; a live dog is better off than a dead lion. Yes, the living know they are going to die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward; they are COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN. Their loves, their hates, their passions, all died with them. THEY WILL NEVER AGAIN TAKE PART IN ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS WORLD.

Solomon wrote four books and Solomon’s songs are found in his book, ‘SONG OF SONGS,’ his parables are found in his book of ‘PROVERBS’, his dark speeches are in the ‘WISDOM OF SOLOMON’ and who can read the negative and even depressing words from the book of ‘Ecclesiastes without realizing that here is the ‘SATRICAL’ work of Solomon, aimed at those people, who believed in neither life after death, or the resurrection from the dead.

BTW, Jesus was never in heaven until after his life and death on earth.

Hebrews 5: 7-10; In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God, who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. But even though he was “A” Son of God, (As are all Jews see Psalms 82.) he learnt through his sufferings to be obedient. When he was made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him, and God declared him to be high priest, in the priestly order of Melchizedek.

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[Thomas]

I am coming from a belief that Enoch, at the age of 365 was taken up bodily (See Genesis 5: 23-24. KJV.)

OK, but that's all it says.

and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of the Most High in the creation and translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of brilliant and blinding light in order that he should never experience death

Not sure where it says that?

(See Hebrews 11: 5. KJV.)

Just says he was taken up ...

 

[Thomas]

From where do you suppose that Peter received the teaching that this universe is going to burn up and vanish?

From Jesus? (cf Matthew 25).

 

[The Anointed]

From Jesus? (cf Matthew 25).

Not only does the Christian bible say that ‘The Most High God’ took Enoch away, the scriptures also state that he was translated in order that he should never experience death; KJV Hebrews 11; 5; By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

It has been historically recorded that the books of Enoch were held in great reverence by the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Origen and Tertullian, and were cherished by the early Christians, up until the fourth century, when, they were banned by dogmatic Roman authorities such as Hilary, Jerome and Augustine, and by the end of the fourth century, they were condemned as being heretical, and they finally passed out of circulation by the middle of the fifth century and were thought lost for millennia. (550 A.D.)

And the author of the book of Hebrews could not have known that Enoch was translated unless he had read the account of his translation in "The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; where it is written.

"And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord’s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Most-High said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch was the first to be released.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory."

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his GLORIOUS ONES.

To translate something is to change it from one form to another. Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated so that he should not experience death, and he was not found because God had translated him.”

I asked; ‘From where do you suppose that Peter received the teaching that this universe is going to burn up and vanish.’ You seem to believe that it was from Jesus, so, from where did Jesus hear it.

There is a story of where Enoch was escorted by an angel to a place where he witnessed the heavens burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss [Black Hole] which the angel described as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven. [The Big Crunch that follows the Big Bang.]

Just as the singularity of origin burst out of the Great Abyss at the moment of the B B, to become this entire universe, so too, God is calling all creation back to himself and the elements of this universe will be ripped apart and reconverted to the photons from which they were created and within the great gravitational anomaly are crushed so closely together that the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite. Scientists believe such a singularity exists at the core of a black hole, which occurs when a super-massive sun reaches the end of its life and implodes, and General relativity also demands such a singularity must exist at the beginning of an expanding universe. Google up ‘The Great Attracter.’

 

[The Anointed]

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe. That black hole is at the center of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”​

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy. The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the center of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe.

It is believed that pairs of spiral galaxies form elliptical galaxies, pairs of those elliptical galaxies form cored elliptical galaxies, and a pair of cored galaxies formed Holmberg 15A, and that this series of mergers also created the ultramassive black hole in its center, a monster nearly as big as our solar system with the mass of around 40 billion suns.

Around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were created from the collapse of Gigantic stars that had formed in the galaxy, or were once at the centre of other lesser galactic bodies that have merged with ours. There are perhaps twenty small galaxies that orbit the Milky Way, like moths around a flame.

The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy which orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy.

The earlier explanations as to a mysterious stream of Gas, which appeared to stretch from them to our galaxy, was the result of gravitational interaction between the two Magellanic clouds, and so, was thought to be coming from them. But researchers from the Leibniz institute for Astrophysics in Germany, taking into account, the best understanding of the diffuse hot Gas that surrounds our Milky Way [Its Corona], couldn’t get that stream of Gas to form, so they came to the conclusion that they simply don’t understand the Milky way’s corona very well. But another possible explanation put forward by them, is that, rather than originating from the Magellanic Clouds, that stream of Gas could be coming from a different Galaxy altogether, which is being devoured, as it plunges into our Milky Way.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes, dying stars, and old planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward the super gravitational anomaly that is called the ‘Great Attractor’. And even that which is called the ‘Great Attractor’ is flowing toward the Shapley Supercluster? Is there something at the core of the ever-growing Shapley Supercluster that is pulling all the galaxies in our particular section of this boundless cosmos to itself?

Or is it simply the gravitational attraction of the galaxies to each other that has caused the Shapley concentration to grow to the size it is today and continues to grow, as the other galactic clusters in our region are being gathered to it, while the more distant clusters appear to be accelerating away?

Enoch, from a previous world that was destroyed by water, is the only man recorded in the Scriptures to have been carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation, and was anointed as his successor, who was then escorted to the ends of time, where he witnessed the universe burn up and fall as massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the GREAT ABYSS, (Black Hole) which is described by Enoch, as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, beyond which, there was nothing. It was from the words of righteous Enoch and not the Hebrew or Christians bibles, from where Peter received the information as revealed in 2 Peter 3: 10; that the day of the lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, and the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth and everything in it will vanish.

It is believed that the galaxies are gathered together by their own gravitational attraction and will one day become so condensed and concentrated that they too will begin to devour each other until only one remains. Then the elements within that super massive body of unapproachable light, will become extremely excited, and will burn, and roll up as a scroll with a great hissing noise as it spirals into the centrally condensed system, from which nothing, absolutely nothing can escape, where that energised body will be torn to pieces molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particle, and reconverted into the electromagnetic energy from which it originated and crushed to the point where the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite and with no space there can be no momentum and therefore no time, until the next B.B.

 

[Thomas]

Enoch ... is the only man recorded in the Scriptures to have been carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation ...

What about Elijah?

Elijah was taken up to heaven from the divided waters of the Jordan on a chariot of fire (cf 4 Kings (Catholic)/2 Kings)

The Jews thought both John the Baptist and Jesus were imbued with the spirit of Elijah (cf Matthew 16:14, Mark 8:28) and Elijah appears beside Jesus at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1–8, Mark 9:2–8, Luke 9:28–36).

There, Moses signifies the Law and Elijah the Prophets – two of the three ministries of Israel.

He receives numerous mentions in the NT. Many more than Enoch.

 

[The Anointed]

The anointed said..... Enoch is the only man in the scriptures to have been carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation.

What about Elijah?

I don't know, can you show me in scripture where it is recorded that Elijah was carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation,

Elijah was taken up to heaven from the divided waters of the Jordan on a chariot of fire (cf 4 Kings (Catholic)/2 Kings)

Well we both agree there.

The Jews thought both John the Baptist and Jesus were imbued with the spirit of Elijah (cf Matthew 16:14, Mark 8:28) and Elijah appears beside Jesus at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1–8, Mark 9:2–8, Luke 9:28–36).

John indeed came in the power of the spirit of Elijah, while Jesus came in the power of the spirit of Enoch with which spirit he was filled on the day he was baptised. Enoch who had been in the valley of man, the spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three dimensional world for three days, or three thousand years before revealing himself and the awesome sacrifice he makes through his chosen earthly host body, the man Jesus who believed the words of the lord who said; He who believes in me even though he dies yet shall he live again. And Jesus did live again.

jubilees 4; 30. And he [Adam] lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ’On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it. t

Elijah who has now been in the valley of man for almost three days also, is to appear on earth immediately before the day of the greatest tribulation that this earth has ever seen, [the day when the angels of death 'PASSOVER' this earth] that is to occur at the close of the sixth day immediately before the great sabbath of one thousand years, which will be ruled by Jesus, and if it were not for the intervention of the lord no flesh would survive, but for the sake of his elect and chosen he will intervene, and the host body chosen by Elijah who believes the Lord, that host body will not die but his corruptible physical body, will be quickened by the presence of Elijah and he will do what must be done.

There, Moses signifies the Law and Elijah the Prophets – two of the three ministries of Israel.

He receives numerous mentions in the NT. Many more than Enoch.

I believe that the 'Son of Man', he, who inherited the throne of 'The Lord of Creatures', The Most High in the creation. He who said through his servant Jesus, 'When you lift up 'The Son of Man' you will know that 'I AM'.

'I AM, who was He who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18; 18-19, "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish, etc,”----- He receives more mentions in the NT than does Elijah.

We all have sinned and we all must pay the blood price for the sins of our flesh and then we, the disembodied spirits must go off into judgement.

Just as mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too the Son of Man develops within the great SINFUL androgynous body of Eve who is united to her lord six days after he died and it is at the close of the great sabbath that heavenly fire incinerates all physical life forms on this planet as revealed by the prophet Zephaniah 1' 2-3; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken.

verse 18' On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.

Then and only then is the umbilical cord that binds 'The Son of Man' to the mother body severed and he and he alone can pay the death penalty for the sins of the flesh in which he developed.

From the last Testament of Benjamin the 12th son of Israel; 9. Now I suppose, from the words of the righteous Enoch, that there will be also evil-doings among you: for you will commit fornication with the fornication of Sodom, and shall perish all save a few, and will multiply inordinate lusts with women; and the kingdom of the Lord shall not be among you, for immediately He will take it away. Nevertheless the temple of God shall be built in your portion, and shall be glorious among you. For He shall take it, and the twelve tribes shall be gathered together there, and all the Gentiles, until the Most High shall send forth His salvation in the visitation of His only-begotten one. And He shall enter into the front of the temple, [The body of Jesus] and there shall the Lord be treated with outrage, and He shall be lifted up upon a tree. And the veil of the temple shall be rent, and the Spirit of God shall descend upon the Gentiles as fire poured forth. And He shall arise from the grave, and shall ascend from earth into heaven: and I know how lowly He shall be upon the earth, and how glorious in the heaven.

 

[Thomas]

I don't know, can you show me in scripture where it is recorded that Elijah was carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation,

Yes.

To be clear, if we are talking Scripture, then all we know of Enoch is:
"And he (Enoch) walked with God, and was seen no more: because God took him." Genesis 5:24
Any further reference to this comes from speculation and development within the Jewish mystical tradition – it's not scriptural.
Regarding Elijah:
"And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Eljah into heaven by a whirlwind" (4 Kings/2 Kings 2 v1) ... And as they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (v11-12)


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From The Kaballah Online
The Souls of Elijah and Enoch
Gate of Reincarnations: Chapter 31, section 7a:

However, the prophet Elijah took the ruach of Atzilut of Adam, and therefore he went up to Heaven and did not die like the rest of people. For he is as an angel from the hosts of G‑d, and after that he literally became a heavenly angel. This is the reason why only ruach is mentioned with respect to Elijah, as it says, "Please let two portions of your ruach be mine", (Kings II 2:9) "The ruach of Elijah rested upon Elisha, (Ibid. 15) and, "A ruach of Elokim will carry you." (Kings I 18:12)

The highest root place of the midot is Atzilut.
The highest root place of the midot is Atzilut. There Elijah is busy balancing and harmonizing these energies. Through this he "distances falsehood and brings close truth" – the central dynamic necessary for the bringing of the final redemption. One who does this in their own little world – the self, family, friends, etc., also takes great part in bringing it close. The elite who work much at this can actually merit Elijah coming to them and revealing secrets. (Shaar Ruach HaKodesh)

A portion of the neshama of Atzilut was received by Enoch son of Jared, (Gen. 5:18) and therefore, he was a heavenly angel called Matatron, as is known. Therefore he also did not die in the way of men. (Zohar, Eitz Chayim, See also Likutei Moharan)

The level of neshama of Atzilut is called the Minister of the World, coming from Atzilut, the [highest] realm, and so it has power over all worlds.

[Therefore a distinction here: Elijah took the ruach, whereas Enoch received neshama, which is one step higher in the five-step hierarchy of the soul)

With this we can answer the question regarding Enoch and Matatron. For if they are one and the same being, and the world of Yetzirah is called the world of Matatron, then who was its minister while Enoch was still alive on earth?

...every righteous person has two ruachs, one on earth below and one in Heaven above.
However, the Zohar states at the beginning of the portion Noach in the Tosefta on the verse "Noach, Noach" (Gen. 6:9) that every righteous person has two ruachs, one on earth below and one in Heaven above. Understand this - it is the secret of, "Behold ADY-84/aidie [My witness] is in Heaven," (Job 16:19) which refers to ChNOCh-84/Enoch, whose gematria is that of "aidie." And "My testifier in the exalted heights is Elijah, because he too is a heavenly angel [Sandalfon], as said.

Enoch is an exalted soul-root theme/archetype that exists above and transcends the specific time-slot that the lower Enoch aspect actually visited in this world. The same is true of Elijah. It so being, they are fit to be absolute witnesses. For their testimony is eternal. (my emphasis)

Enoch equals "My witness " showing that he has an intrinsic connection to this task. He merits this because he is the first one to have been in the world and left without dying. (Gen. 5:24) When a person dies, his upper soul descends somewhat into this world and magnetizes the lower soul, sucking it up. (Likutei Moharan 66) "More Bitter than death:" (Prov. 7:26) The bitterness of death comes from an interruption between the upper and lower souls, caused by the original sin, which the death process removes. "And Enoch walked [with] Elokim [Divinity]." (Gen. 5:22) Enoch was so connected above while alive below that he did not need this step. The direct link to on high makes him an extra special ‘eye witness’ who proclaims the light of the Divine truth in a world of darkness and falsehood. He so accomplishes here a state of the world-to-come when "the light of the moon will be like the light of the sun" (Isaiah 30:26) - the perfect testimony.

Elijah also ascended without passing through the intermediary stage of death, (II Kings 2:11) so he serves as a supernal witness. This itself affords him the privilege of being the one to herald the final redemption. (Malachi 3:23)

Yetzira draws from Zeir Anpin, Asiya from Nukvah. Enoch/Matot works out of Yetzira, Elijah/Sandal is the landlord of Asiya. These two worlds have the giver-receiver/sun-moon relationship. Their masters appropriately serve as supernal witnesses whose job is to bring lofty truth into this lower realm. When the process is complete, all will be liberated from death - just as they already were.

 

[Thomas]

From METATRON, WHO WAS ENOCH by Harold Bloom

The Ethiopic Enoch (1 Enoch), for all its vividness, is dwarfed by the apocalyptic splendor and rigors of 3 Enoch, a work written in Hebrew probably in the fifth century CE... This rhapsodic vision purports to be the work of the great rabbi Ishmael, slain by the Romans as one of the preludes to Bar Kokhba’s insurrection in 132CE., but undoubtedly the date of composition is much later. As an apocalypse, 3 Enoch belongs to the pre Kabbalistic tradition of Hebraic gnosis called Merkabah mysticism, the Merkabah being the prophet Ezekiel’s term for the chariot that bears the Enthroned Man of his vision. In this tradition, the visionary voyages through the heavenly halls until he comes upon the throne of God, where a revelation is vouchsafed to him. And yet, since we are within the normative rabbinical world, the revelation is severely restricted; the exuberant invention of Gnostic writing would be a violation of decorum and of received scriptural authority.

It is surprising how much mythopoeic invention gets into 3 Enoch anyway, perhaps because we are at an early stage of what will develop, half a millennium later, into the extravagant Kabbalistic imagination. At the imagistic center of 3 Enoch is the radical transformation of Enoch into the archangel Metatron, Prince of the Divine Presence (a title from the prophet Isaiah) and a kind of viceroy for Yahweh himself. In this transmutation, Enoch’s skin is replaced by a fiery Garment of Light, and his human dimensions expand to the length and breadth of the created world. Moshe Idel, the leading contemporary scholar of Kabbalah, shrewdly observes that Enoch’s apotheosis is the point-for-point reversal of the collapse of “the supernal Adam” into the Adam of Genesis, since ancient Jewish texts, both normative and heterodox, initially represented Adam as a god-man whose Garment of Light is replaced by his own skin and the animal skins in which God clothes him, while the primordial giant Adam, whose size and splendor awed and frightened the angels, dwindles into our merely human contours. Idel also notes the irony of another reversal: in some sources the primal Adam “falls” because of angelic sin, since his splendor moves the angels to assert that Adam and God are equal powers.

 

[Thomas]

Lastly, looking into the topic led me to Andrei A Orlov's "The Enoch-Metatron Tradition"

At nearly 400 pages, no quick read, but does go at great length into the background of the Enoch-Metatron Tradition – established principally in 3 Enoch – in the context of an overview of Jewish mystical speculation.

This emphasis on revelation in the awakened state might point to the evolution from the concept of the mantic visionary who receives revelation in a dream to the one who bodily ascends to heaven. This feature vividly recalls the later Merkabah accounts in which Enoch-Metatron’s bodily ascent is implicitly underlined through the fiery transformation of his flesh. Alexander observes that “like 2 Enoch, 3 Enoch clearly envisages bodily ascent and so postulates the physical metamorphosis of Enoch [saying that his] flesh turned into fire....” As in Sefer Hekhalot, 2 Enoch 22 insists on the physical metamorphosis of the seer by reporting that his earthly bodily form was transformed into a radiant extent resembling the archangelic and divine bodies at one and the same time.

The evolution detected in the Slavonic apocalypse is unique for the early Enochic literature, which otherwise insists on the oneiromantic model. Still, it does not represent a later interpolation since the transition from oneiromantic to bodily ascent is already evident in other first century Jewish and Christian sources, including the Pauline account attested in 2 Cor 12:2. There the apostle’s statement “whether in the body or out of the body” also seems to refer to a similar paradigm shift by alluding to the seer’s knowledge of both types of ascent, in the body as well as out of it. In his comment on 2 Cor 12:2 Peter Schäfer observes that the phrase “‘whether in the body or out of the body’ expressly leaves open the two possibilities of a spiritual and bodily removal….”
(pages 182-183)

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The evolution of oneiromantic (dream or interior) state experience to a bodily state is one of interest, as therein lies something to be said about, dare one say in ignorance, a 'pure' Hebraic (scriptural) process which speaks only in terms of prophecies, oracles, dreams, visions, etc – and later interactions with Hellenic and proto-gnostic notions of actual, bodily translation/ascension ...

 

[The Anointed]

While we're on the subject of Enoch and although I have just posted this on another thread i believe it is appropriate here also.

Concerning the sons of God who descended in the days of Jared the father of Enoch, the sons of God who Enoch calls ‘Watchers, or Observers,’ of who, ‘Azazel,’ was one of those observers, we read in the Book of Enoch the prophet, chapter 9 to chapter 10; “And Michael said to the heavenly Lord, "Seest what ‘AZAZEL’ hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and has revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn. And Semjaza, to whom you have given authority to bear rule over his associates (The other 199 sons of God) and they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth and have slept with them and revealed to them all kinds of sin etc.

Semjaza, the leader of the observers, taught enchantments, and root cutting, among other sons of God who revealed to the women all kinds of sin, were Armaros, who taught the resolving of enchantments, Baralqual taught astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon, etc.

But Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tintures etc.

Tubal-Cain, was from an age of man prior to Seth the first in the line of descendants from Adam according to the genealogy recorded in Genesis 5: and Tubal-Cain had been an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron, which knowledge was stored in heaven when that age came to its end)

The Lord, through his only begotten prophet Enoch, then passed judgment on the angels who had forsaken their own original habitat and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men, saying to them; “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew only worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.”

They were then to be bound and cast into the valley of the earth until seventy generations had passed, (Jesus was seventy generations from Enoch, see Luke 3: 23-38) but Azazel was punished separate from the others, See the Book of Enoch the Prophet 10: 4-9; “And again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there forever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgement, he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: TO HIM ASCRIBE ALL SIN.

Moses, who was the adopted grandson of Pharaoh and who would have been afforded the best education in the country, may have been initiated into the circle of the guardians of the sacred secrets.

Moses took the bread or the sacred teachings of Egypt [The land of First Born] and removed the yeast and gave to the children of Israel the regulations, rules and laws, that the Israelites were to keep for all time. --------- In one of the religious regulations established by Moses, Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel.

In the margins of the Good News Catholic Study Bible, Leviticus 16: concerning “Azazel” it is written by the Catholic authors of the GNB; ‘AZAZEL:’ “The meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown: it may be the name of a desert demon.” ‘Azazel’ see Leviticus16: 8-10.

The Orthodox Christian religious organisations are ignorant as to who Azazel is, because they have rejected the words of Enoch, who is the chosen cornerstone to who all the spirits of the righteous are gathered in the creation of the new temple of light, which is to replace God’s old tent/tabernacle, the body of mankind as the ruler of all creation, wherein the innermost sanctuary, behind the veil of the flesh dwells the evolving spirit of ‘The Son of Man:’ The stone that has been rejected by the builders of the universal church of Emperor Constantine has turned out to be the most important Stone of all.

But why did the builders of the Jewish church reject the writing of the righteous Enoch

Leviticus 16: 7-10; Then he shall take the two goats to the entrance of the Tent of the LORD's presence. There he shall draw lots, using two stones, one marked “for the LORD” and the other “for Azazel”. Aaron shall sacrifice the goat chosen by lot for the LORD and offer it as a sin offering. The goat chosen for Azazel shall be presented alive to the LORD and sent off into the desert to Azazel, in order to take away the sins of the people.

16: 20-22; When Aaron has finished performing the ritual to purify the Most Holy Place, the rest of the Tent of the LORD's presence, and the altar, he shall present to the LORD the live goat chosen for Azazel. He shall put both his hands on the goat's head and confess over it all the evils, sins, and rebellions of the people of Israel, and so transfer them to the goat's head. Then the goat is to be driven off into the desert by someone appointed to do it. The goat will carry all their sins away with him into some uninhabited land to Azazel. To whom all sins have been ascribed.

So I would say that the Enoch belief is Abrahamic.