Why do you need Jesus? He saves you from what?
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'Amir Alzzalam
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Researchers into nonlinear systems and cellular automata at the Santa Fe Institute and elsewhere have demonstrated that simple, undirected processes can yield extraordinarily complex patterns. Some of the complexity seen in organisms may therefore emerge through natural phenomena that we as yet barely understand. But that is far different from saying that the complexity could not have arisen naturally.
It could have originated naturally. A lot of effort goes into demonstrating the fact that it could have. So it's the watchmaker argument -- with enough effort it can no doubt be demonstrated that a Teslsa self driving car could have originated naturally ...
My contention is that some scientists have suffered too much mission creep from the original remit of unravelling the natural process without allowing religion to dictate the questions or limit the answers -- to militantly insisting against the possibility of intelligent design; this is an over-correction, and a step too far, and is not scientific?
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I believe that God does not interfere in reality quite that way. God doesn't enable things but allows them to happen naturally. Or else it would not be real.
Yahweh kid
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satyanarayan
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Jesus Christ saved me from depression
and I need Jesus Christ for salvation
and I need Jesus Christ for salvation 
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Atheism is the answer for all your problems. I do not need to fear any God, do not need to follow any rule book, do not need to worry about heaven or hell, do not need to worry about 'end of days' or judgment. Atheism has freed me completely (It has not given me a freedom to act inhumane manner).
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Yahweh kid
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AmenJesus Christ saved me from depression
Yahweh kid
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If an atheist decides that killing a person is fine, who can tell him it is wrong if there are no rules/laws? For he is completely free......?
How did atheism deny you the freedom to act inhumane? What will happen if an atheist do decide to act inhumane?
Does atheism have rules? If so who made these rules?
If there are restrictions in our lives, who is really completely free?
Would you not agree, if there are no laws/rules that chaos will be the outcome? Freedom will be lost, there will be no protection for the poor and weak, etc.
I believe that just like we have rules on the physical world there are rules/laws in the spiritual world no matter what we might tell ourselves....
Is atheism a subjective or an objective outlook on life?
That is a tribal law. Can a Christian kill in war? Do you say people only do not kill or act inhumanely because they believe in God?
That is why societies have secular laws to protect people
The same applies to the rest of your post. Surely you do not think people who believe in God have the monopoly on moral behaviour?
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@Yahweh kid
Do you think being a Christian makes you a superior and better, more moral and caring person than someone who does not believe in God as you do?
Do you think being a Christian makes you a superior and better, more moral and caring person than someone who does not believe in God as you do?
Tell me a tribe or society that does not outlaw murder or theft? Not from my own tribe, that is ...
Loan sharking is illegal, I believe? Interest rates are set by government. At any rate, the extortion of such loan repayments is criminal. Pornography is judged to be a legal right of adult freedom of choice, by most secular governments -- after a long road of debate. Child pornography is illegal because children cannot make the choice.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Everyone is subject to the law of the land. And in law, it is a crime.
In humane actions also are against law.
Atheism is a personal view. Atheists vary in their view. An atheist himself decides how he/she should act.
If one wants to live in a country or in a society, he perforce has to go according to its laws.
There is only one world. There is no other 'spiritual world'.
Atheism itself is objective, but an atheist may have his/her own outlook on life.
Well, as a Christian and this being the Christian board, can't say I share your opinion here. Our scripture and even some non-Christian doctrine tells us otherwise.