I rather think it is we who require justice of God, than God requires justice of us ...I feel that justice is a very human aspiration, and can clothe itself in many ways, religious and secular.
I rather think it is we who require justice of God, than God requires justice of us ...I feel that justice is a very human aspiration, and can clothe itself in many ways, religious and secular.
There is a story of a famous early Christian – a Syrian mystic, I believe. The name escapes me, but he's around 5th century. Anyway, he was locked in a bitter dispute with two philosophers over the Catholic faith.
One night he had a dream. He was on the edge of a pit, and there, sliding down the pit into the depths of hell were his two opponents. He sat watching them slowly slide to their doom, occasionally rolling rocks down on them as they tried to scrabble free. He noticed a third man climbing down towards them, and realised this man was trying to save them. So he launched himself down to contend with this third man, and argue that the two should be allowed to fall to their doom.
But when he drew close, he realised the man was Jesus. "I keep trying to save them," Jesus said, reaching out to the two men. "You keep trying to push them in."
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Was it a dream? Was it a 'mystical moment'? Was it somewhere between the two? The psychological element of the dream is self-evident.
We can read it as we choose, but the story stays the same.
Gods message may be correct, but it was transmitted through someone. What is the guarantee that the person did not make a hash of it?The only way that happens is if God given Messages are correct. They all say we will stand before God when we pass from this life and face our judgement.
I would have thought that it was quite obvious..But why should there be justice?
Does the zebra appreciate getting eaten by the lion? Does the lion appreciate starvation because the zebra got away? We have human laws and justice. But why should there be an existence beyond death? There is no cause to expect anyone else to assume there is? Why should they?I would have thought that it was quite obvious..
Do you appreciate getting robbed or assaulted?
We are not talking about other creatures, atm.Does the zebra appreciate getting eaten by the lion? Does the lion appreciate starvation because the zebra got away?
..because life would just be a series of "coincidences" otherwise, which makes no sense to me.We have human laws and justice. But why should there be an existence beyond death?
Hmm.. I don't know about that.There is no cause to expect anyone else to assume there is? Why should they?
Life is a coincidence from right before the inception. Why did the sperm that resulted in you alone got to fertilize the ovum? There were some 150 million others...because life would just be a series of "coincidences" otherwise, which makes no sense to me.
Yes.I use the word "Divine" [capital 'D'] as in God [capital 'G'], in the Abrahamic sense.
There is no soul in that .. no intelligence .. no person.Life is a coincidence from right before the inception. Why did the sperm that resulted in you alone got to fertilize the ovum?
Reply removed at user's own requestLife is a coincidence from right before the inception. Why did the sperm that resulted in you alone got to fertilize the ovum? There were some 150 million others.
Cue multiple bible stories of human beings calling God to order, to be more Just.I rather think it is we who require justice of God, than God requires justice of us ...
No one can hear the voice of God if they're not listening or are quick to dismiss it as something else.That is why it is necessary that God talk to us directly.
Gods message may be correct, but it was transmitted through someone. What is the guarantee that the person did not make a hash of it?
That is why it is necessary that God talk to us directly. Perhaps God said something else.
No one can hear the voice of God if they're not listening or are quick to dismiss it as something else.
Love requires Justice, Love encompasses all virtues, take away one virtue and Love suffers. So without Justice there is no true Love.But why should there be justice? Why should man expect personal (human) justice of creation?
Do these people really take much notice of it, though?A correct belief [orthodox] teaches that Divine justice after death is true.
Billions of people believe it.
That is what I call a total 'body-swerve'!One has to understand why the Bab wrote the Bayan when he knew his Revelation would.only last 9 years. It was to make a distinction between Islam and the New Message given of God and to prepare the way for the coming of the "One whom God would make Manifest".
The laws were not meant to be practiced, they were more of a help to Baha'u'llah. One such passage that shows the purpose of His revelation was to awaken the people to assist the Promised One to come after Him, rather than to carry out the observances in the Bayan:
Regards Tony