Absolute Truth

It is Biblical.

Isaiah 62:2 "The nations will see your righteousness, And all kings your glory; And you will be called by a new name Which the mouth of the Lord will designate.

Isaiah 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, And the Lord God will slay you. But My servants will be called by another name.

And as well, it was to happen after Jesus the Christ.

Revelation 2:17 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’.."

Revelation 3:12 "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

What is it that we have to overcome to accept God's New Name RJM? Maybe the Oneness of the Messengers with God?
The Absolute Truth of this can be determined by Logic and reason based on a just and honest search.

This is for those who may want to consider such a search, based in Justice.
The flaw in your logic is that when Revelations or Isiaah speak of a New Name it means Baha'u'llah, not any other self-proclaimed new Christ Jesus update, or that the Three Woes mean Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. The fact you claim so does not make it so?
 
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There's talk of it being to process emotions or learning / consolidate memories
Here's an article from a couple of years ago with someone who has a related theory
Good article, if basic. I tried to access the paper and was only allowed as far as the abstract. He raises some interesting points of consideration.
 
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It's more that one can use one's reason to understand why the emotions exist, and the purpose they serve. That's one part of it
Yes, but understanding is over rated. Case in point, understanding how a vehicle functions doesn't get one through rush hour traffic in a major metro thoroughfare. Understanding why emotions exist doesn't undermine or exempt the role emotions play, and that role cannot be fulfilled by any form or attempt at understanding. I might understand grief has a role in dealing with the passing of a loved one, but I must experience that grief in order to process the loss - no amount of understanding can replace the role grief plays. Postpone it perhaps, for a time, but eventually the emotional process will do what it must apart from and distinct from any attempt to understand.

Too often we use understanding to dismiss and rationalize, only to find later that other aspects still continue either in our new ignorance, or to make itself known at a later time. "We" understand the moon affects the tides, we ignore how that impacts our bodies and the natural world around us.
While we don't exactly reason our way to tears, our underlying thoughts and beliefs are often what we are responding to when we are tearful. One's reason can either challenge or defend those beliefs.
Absolutely. However, it doesn't negate the role each plays.

I think it may be a self defense mechanism, we want to understand what "hurts" us so we can attempt to prevent it, or at least not be surprised by it should it come around again at a later time.
 
The flaw in your logic is that when Revelations or Isiaah speak of a New Name it means Baha'u'llah, not any other self-proclaimed new Christ Jesus update, or that the Three Woes mean Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. The fact you claim so does not make it so?
To determine if it is a fact, one must investigate and not dismiss without a honest and just search of what was offered.

We are in control of our own destiny, nobody else is responsible, so it is all up to our own self, as there is no compulsion in religion.

Regards Tony
 
To determine if it is a fact, one must investigate and not dismiss without a honest and just search of what was offered.

We are in control of our own destiny, nobody else is responsible, so it is all up to our own self, as there is no compulsion in religion.

Regards Tony
Confirmation bias, Tony?

You wouldn't be the first to draw sure proof from Revelation for your own preferred new Christ figure
 
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I always thought faith was based in hope...
Perhaps they are reciprocal.
Interesting thought, good to share ideas on. Faith can become certitude, to me it enables action. Hope does not seem to be a path to certitude, it is like a longing, it does not foster action. Maybe certitude could be our relative truth.

Early Martyrs of a God given Faith, in a certitude of Faith in the Messengers, give their lives for the promises given by the Messengers. So is there any hope there?

Regards Tony
 
Confirmation bias, Tony?

You wouldn't be the first to draw sure proof from Revelation for your own preferred new Christ figure
No, I actually did a lot of research before I found certainty in Faith. But that is my story RJM.

I was not after any Christ figure RJM, and it turned out for me, that I was able to embrace Christ, via the Revelation of Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Which inspires me to offer.

God is One, thy Kingdom come on earth is done, now may man be also one!

Regards Tony
 
No, I actually did a lot of research before I found certainty in Faith. But that is my story RJM.

I was not after any Christ figure RJM, and it turned out for me, that I was able to embrace Christ, via the Revelation of Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Which inspires me to offer.

God is One, thy Kingdom come on earth is done, now may man be also one!

Regards Tony

Early Martyrs of a God given Faith, in a certitude of Faith in the Messengers, give their lives for the promises given by the Messengers. So is there any hope there?
But you're drawing from the life of Christ Jesus. You're piggy-backing on Jesus?

Not my place to attack the faith of another. Let it be
 
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Imo you should just embrace the real original Christ Jesus. All you need is there. You don't need a substitute or upgrade ... but that sounds like proselytizing

Logged off now ...
 
The flaw in your logic is that when Revelations or Isiaah speak of a New Name it means Baha'u'llah, not any other self-proclaimed new Christ Jesus update, or that the Three Woes mean Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. The fact you claim so does not make it so?
I also had a thought about what is a 'Day of God'. These being my understanding of some aspects of the Bible, Quran and Baha'i Writings.

A 'Day of God' is likened to a thousand years and just like this material world, days have different durations of the hours of light and darkness, some very short, some longer than the average 1000 years. Each Messenger brings us a 'Day of God' that becomes our 'Judgement Day'. Every Faith faces its winter, its decline into darkness, knowing there is a promise it will be renewed. This is well supported Biblically.

So the Woe is the resulting conflict of our soul upon receiving the new God given Revelation, the dawn of a new 'Day of God'.

Great prophecies directly relating to Muhammad, which directly relates to the Message of the Bab are the Biblical time prophecies.

These are written in Daniel and Revelation as times, times and half a time = as 3 1/2 years = as 42 Months = as 1260 Days = 1260 years

The Bible year consists of 360 days and the Bible says each day is a year.

Revelation offers that it would give power unto Two Witnesses to give prophecy for 1260 years (Muhamad and Imam Ali). The date that the Bab gave a Message, the dawn of the Day of God promised at the end of ages was AH1260 (AD1844), tying both Muhammad and the Bab to those prophecies.

These are easy to dismiss, but God gives us other signs that tie these events into a certainty, yet we must be willing to search, to see if there is more to reality than our current frames of references.

Regards Tony
 
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But you're drawing from the life of Christ Jesus. You're piggy-backing on Jesus?

Not my place to attack the faith of another. Let it be
I see it is drawing from all the Messengers, from the first to the last, Christ is ALL the Messengers, who are One with God.

Imagine a Love that embraces all.

Regards Tony
 
God is One, thy Kingdom come on earth is done, now may man be also one!

Regards Tony
I don't think so...

 
I don't think so...

Thank you, I see that is a prophecy for this age of God, very applicable to Baha'u'llah, but that would require a lot of discussion and consideration.

Also consider verses that offer God would set his throne in Elam, and verses that offer that the door will be opened to the path from the east.

(Edit-The Word is like a seed, it is planted then grows into a tree. It is fulfilled from the time the seed is planted)

Regards Tony
 
Thank you, I see that is a prophecy for this age of God, very applicable to Baha'u'llah, but that would require a lot of discussion and consideration.

Also consider verses that offer God would set his throne in Elam, and verses that offer that the door will be opened to the path from the east.

(Edit-The Word is like a seed, it is planted then grows into a tree. It is fulfilled from the time the seed is planted)

Regards Tony
I don't know why I have this instinctual gut rending desire to tell you to keep your grubby paws off. LOL. It's so weird. It's like your religion turned my Lord and my God to a simple man with some mystical message and for some reason you are the only one that irks me so much by your twisted version of what my Holy Scriptures say. The bible warns of false teachers and false prophets. I am reminded of the serpent in Eden with smooth talk and tempting Eve by twisting God's word.


2 Peter 3:14-18
Be Steadfast
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
 
I don't know why I have this instinctual gut rending desire to tell you to keep your grubby paws off. LOL. It's so weird. It's like your religion turned my Lord and my God to a simple man with some mystical message and for some reason you are the only one that irks me so much by your twisted version of what my Holy Scriptures say. The bible warns of false teachers and false prophets. I am reminded of the serpent in Eden with smooth talk and tempting Eve by twisting God's word.
Seems a little ad hominem to me. Isn't this just an exchange of differing interpretations? Isn't that kind of the point?
 
I don't understand your question.
Oh, I was only teasing with the word flawless there. What prompts do you use to help with your writing when using ChatGPT? For example, do you ask it to rewrite what you wrote in a certain way?

I have used it before, but I have never used it to edit my writing.
 
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I don't know why I have this instinctual gut rending desire to tell you to keep your grubby paws off. LOL. It's so weird. It's like your religion turned my Lord and my God to a simple man with some mystical message and for some reason you are the only one that irks me so much by your twisted version of what my Holy Scriptures say. The bible warns of false teachers and false prophets. I am reminded of the serpent in Eden with smooth talk and tempting Eve by twisting God's word.


2 Peter 3:14-18
Be Steadfast
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Thank you for quoting 2 Peter, another great scripture. Great thing is, these scripture only inspire me to be a better loving person.

I see you need to quote all the verses before verse 14 as they tell a story that supports the Day of God is like a thousand years and that this day will come like a thief in the Night, which gives verses 14 to 18 an entirely different frame of reference to consider.

Interestingly it was a book by William Sears called 'Thief in the Night', taken from this very chapter, that cemented my faith in Baha'u'llah. 🙂, yet my mother reacted as you have when I offered that book to her to read, God bless her soul.

Sorry I have frustrated you, but hey I can do this all day long, I love talking about fulfilled prophecy.

Regards Tony
 
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